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thebaroness wrote:... the problem is that daggone priest! Fix him, GW!

I wouldn't bank on that. Look what they did with the priest in the IG codex. Seems like some units GW just cannot get right.

thebaroness wrote: I want useful arco-flagellants; I actually have had some use with them lately,

GK codex has useful Arcos. That bodes well.

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.


Until the Sisters get their new codex, I will still have the one I made.

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

what about tau they need it far more than SOB who have some viable stuff but tau are suffering far worse as they can only sometimes beat the other armies. Also the reason some are not given it is a cap on their power as a ship is a huge asset I hope space nuns get devoured By a hive fleet simaltanously and inquistion gets a dex.


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Luco wrote:

TBD wrote:After Grey knights I expect at least 3 better selling armies to be redone before we see any sisters.

Are there three better selling armies that NEED to be redone? I count Necrons and Tau. DA and BT are pretty much set till 6th with the FAQ, though there will be plenty of toys to come this edition I'm sure. That being said, it was stated by GW in an interview, salt machine: on, that they were currently working with the plastics. I have my fingers crossed for a release late this year, early next.

thank you somebody realises tau needs lots of help

AlexHolker wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

They aren't allowed to have men at arms. The decree passive doesn't say they can't have naval assets.

Directly from the book Enforcer you have a force of arbites that boards a penance ship that belongs to the eclesiarchy in order to investigate a potential threat.

Sounds to me like they can indeed own naval assets.

This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition. And they are another lame power armour force i like BT and DA they provide useful fluff and cool stuff but sisters have bad fluff and never do anything in helsreach they try and save the temple and get murdered cause they suck.

The rumour is that the new Plastic Sisters will have a completely revised uniform design.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition. And they are another lame power armour force i like BT and DA they provide useful fluff and cool stuff but sisters have bad fluff and never do anything in helsreach they try and save the temple and get murdered cause they suck.

Yes, we saw the first post you had. I think most people recognize that the Tau need a new dex and you know I agree with the BT and DA (though, I would still love a new DA dex full of fluff and pictures and hopefully some real fluff for the successors) but let's not cross the line with it. They don't play quite like marines and are a mid to bottom tier army, mostly, themselves so they certainly deserve an update. Don't worry, I'm sure Tau rumors will ramp up by the time the Sisters dex is out. Personally, I think they'll be the first full 40k release of 2012 judging on who needs it (and assuming sisters will count as the 'marine' equivalent for the general pattern). Oh yea, salt; here you go.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons and should be replaced by cool inqusition.

Tau should be replaced by the cool Kroot.





DA doesn't really add all that much anymore, thanks to the other marine codices stealing what used to make it special. I agree though Tau kind of needs it more and there are already Necron rumours around so they're probably before SoB anyway.

Personally I expect Tau to come out about one or two years before a new rules edition which will invalidate their codex.

Melissia wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:That was aquisitioned from the Imperial Navy, and the decree passive might prohibit that

Why? Sisters were piloting them, therefor it did not violate the Decree Passive.

The Ecclesiarchy is not permitted naval assets. Female pilots wouldn't change that.

They aren't allowed to have men at arms. The decree passive doesn't say they can't have naval assets.

A Lightning Escort is an assest if the Imperial Navy, which is a seperate entity from the ecclessiarchy. Just as the ecclessiarchy hs no official authority over all-female IG regiments (or the IG at all) they have no offical say in what the Imperial Navy does. Taking your line of thought to the extreme, Sisters would be allowed a Retribution Battleship if it was crewed by females (or had a female captain).
Note that I have no issue with Lightnings supporting sisters (and representing this on the tabletop as well), the influence of the ecclessiarchy is widespread afterall, but I can't see Lightning's being subjected to the 'Men under arms' that would bypass the decree passive in the way you suggest. Lightning pilots are Navy first and foremost.

I'd recommend Flesh and Iron by Henry Zhou to you.

All these threads about the SoB codex release are just reminding me that there's going to be more than a year to wait before anything shows up...

Hyenajoe wrote:All these threads about the SoB codex release are just reminding me that there's going to be more than a year to wait before anything shows up...

Well, if the Necrons Codex appears July/August as per BoW's rumour, maybe it won't be a year for sisters. I hope that's the case, at least.

pretre wrote:
I understand you don't like your codex changing, but saying that there is less in the new Codex is just provably false.

Just going back to this, I decided to download the alleged "leaked codex" just to see, and after reading it, I have to agree with Pretre here. If you take Coteaz, you now have tons of options for an Inquisitorial force that you definitely did not have before. There are so many options for the henchmen that you can make crusader units, arco flagellant units, storm troopers, sisters of battle or other humans in power armour, daemonhost units, &c. Or you can make all sorts of combinations. It might actually be too much variety now, from a certain perspective, trying to figure out what are the good combinations and giving massive freedom to craft a force to the specific needs/desires of a given player. You can have heavily CC-oriented, short or long range shooty, horde, mech, &c. If they add lasguns as a free option (instead of laspistol and CCW) for the warrior acolytes, you can even have inducted IG in your list (use servitors for heavy weapons teams, albeit with less options).

There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.
The story of the decree itself is just a bit of fluff that was created to explain why the army consists entirely of females, not to keep the design team from creating interesting rules and the sculptors from making neat models.

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.
The story of the decree itself is just a bit of fluff that was created to explain why the army consists entirely of females, not to keep the design team from creating interesting rules and the sculptors from making neat models.

I would very much welcome a Lightning Attack Craft in the new codex. The design looks too awesome even for GW to screw up (crosses fingers), but honestly in the current fluff the sisters of battle piloting a Lightning makes even less sense than Grey Knights flying Stormravens.

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons

Right on the first one, they need a new codex FAR worse than Tau. But completely wrong on the second one, both Sisters and Necrons need a new codex pretty badly.


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AlexHolker wrote:

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

And all of this is pointless if they just retcon that line out of existence ^.^

The Fox Lord wrote:New Sister Codex will most appreciated.
But please for the love of Morks Golden Middle Finger, Update my Orks.

Why do Orks need an update? I'm asking because I'm curious. I haven't looked too closely at the Orks codex.

Like the rest of the fourth edition codices, Orks are generally fine, but have a few units that need to be updated and could use a bump to fifth edition level variety. But they're still nowhere near the level of third edition codices as far as needing an update.

AlexHolker wrote:
"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

So GW makes the Lightning an inquisitorial Lightning and includes it in the Codex. There, problem solved!

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

The Fox Lord wrote:New Sister Codex will most appreciated.
But please for the love of Morks Golden Middle Finger, Update my Orks.

Why do Orks need an update? I'm asking because I'm curious. I haven't looked too closely at the Orks codex.

I play 'Nids, Orks & Marine, pretty much in that order of preferance.
'Nids got updated already and it seems like we get a marine Dex every othe Dex...So I'd like my orks now please.
Though in all seriousness I'd say 'Crons are most in need of a Dex followed by a tie between Sisters and Tau.

Melissia wrote:

rovian wrote:This is bull the sisters dont need it as bad as tau or crons

Right on the first one, they need a new codex FAR worse than Tau. But completely wrong on the second one, both Sisters and Necrons need a new codex pretty badly.

How do the Sisters need an update more/equally badly than Necrons?

AlexHolker wrote:

jake wrote:There's no reason the Lightning MUST be a naval asset. Just because the Imperial Navy makes use of the vehicle doesn't mean that it's exclusive to them. There's no reason to think that the church couldn't buy or manufacture as many of the vehicles as they wanted if they were so inclined.

The Decree Passive doesn't actually do much of anything.

"Amongst other prohibitions on military activity, the Decree Passive forbade the Ecclesiarchy from controlling any 'Men at arms'."
Codex: Sisters of Battle, page 16

"The terms of the Decree Passive forbid the Ecclesiarchy from maintaining its own war fleets, and so the Sisters of Battle are reliant upon the Imperial Navy and Inquisitorial vessels for this type of support."
Codex: Witch Hunters, page 37

Now, if you want to argue that the reconsidered Decree does not extend to single-seat aerospace fighters I'm not too hung up on that, but it does do more than say the Ecclesiarchial military must all have two X chromosomes. My own take on it is that combat-capable spacecraft and ordinance weapons are still forbidden.

And all of this is pointless if they just retcon that line out of existence ^.^

Is it really too much to view the lightning in a support role? It's exactly what the IG do with Valkryies and Vendettas.

Sisters just aren't competitive. Apart from anything else, at the moment two minimum Troop choices and an HQ costs £86.80. In those terms, not only do they need an update more than anyone else, GW deserve a slap for having the guts to be so outrageous.

I wonder....

Will Ordo Hereticus get access to the Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands like Ordo Malleus does?

Scarey Nerd wrote:Sisters just aren't competitive. Apart from anything else, at the moment two minimum Troop choices and an HQ costs £86.80. In those terms, not only do they need an update more than anyone else, GW deserve a slap for having the guts to be so outrageous.

There are already players out there who have got a Sisters army. They don't need new models, they need a new book.

I would argue though that Necrons need a new book more than Sisters, because of basic competitiveness concerns.

Emperors Faithful wrote:How do the Sisters need an update more/equally badly than Necrons?

C:WH has sixteen units, only four of which are really "competitive" and even those are undeniably overpowered by the newer codices. Counting only Sisters units (assuming that all Inquisition stuff is moved into the GK codex), that is becomes around 11 units. Similarly, Necrons have 11 units, which most of them being uncompetitive too (the Monolith, Lord, and both Destroyers are about as competitive as the four Sisters units I had in mind), while once more being overpowered by the newer fifth edition codices.

In comparison Tau's newest codex still has units which are at the top of the field that they specialize in-- broadsides are quite simply the best long-ranged anti-tank in the game for example, and Crisis Suits are still just as deadly as always. The codex certainly needs a bump to fifth edition... but so does every other fourth edition codex.


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Kilkrazy wrote:There are already players out there who have got a Sisters army. They don't need new models, they need a new book.

Oh yes, Sisters need new models... plastic ones.

Mr Hyena wrote:I wonder....

Will Ordo Hereticus get access to the Inquisitorial Henchmen Warbands like Ordo Malleus does?

Considering your wondering over. They did. Codex: GK has Ordo Hereticus Inquisitors in it. You can even play a Sisters of Battle army out of C: GK, although even with some count-as'ing, it is a lot different than one we are used to.

(Note: The rest is opinion.)This lends itself to a dual conclusion that either the same options will be available in Codex: SoB (All three Ordos and Henchmen) or none will be there. Personally, based on the fluff tweak that GK got (that they work for and with all three ordos), I am leaning toward them leaving the ordos out of C: SoB and SoB will get a new focus as an independent army.