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eh least fav race would have to be Dark Eldar... thay're all just so... homoerotic... not that i have anything against homosexuals, just the pale skin and bondage gear *shudder*

I love my Tau except the GW Broadsides and Aun'Va...The Space Pope is soooooooo lame.

I wish all the Broadsides looked like the FW 'sides; they're the only ones I buy

I understand how awesome it is to have Man fight a solar system of baddies, but as I've said in other posts, IG models look like crap. The faces are ugly, the helmets look stupid, storm troopers look like somebody threw up on the table and Vostroyans and all the other metal old models make me cry every time I look in the codex. Men in space: yes. IG: no-get new sculpts. Tau Battle Suits and Fire Warrior shoulder pads/helmets get an honorable mention, but dear god...*shudder* IG are terrible. The Tau are my least favorite race though-trying to pull the anime crowd into the game...not such a hot idea. Leave Gundams on Saturday morning cartoons.

I like Tau, they're the reason I got back into 40k. I like how they break up the "grimdarkdeatheverything-is-dying"-ness. That and I agree with their philosophy "Join us or get flattened".

I'm not going to go on an attack because everyone is entitled to their opinions, just like how I'm going to put mine.

Least Favorite Model - Canis Wolfborn. Space Wolf riding a Giant Wolf into battle....um yeah, right... (Space Pope gets Honorable mention).

Least Favorite Character - Sanguinator. Don't like the fluff about him, don't like the model.

Least Favorite Race - Dark Eldar. I love the new models, but I could never get their fluff and the reasons why they raid. If they raided for resources like material and slaves because they were few and far between, I could get behind that. But raiding for souls? Nah, I'll pass.

Least fav model(s): I despise the Ogryn models with a passion! The new ones look no better than the old ones and suffer from stupidly large head syndrome. There's a reason loads of people convert other figures to be Ogryns...

Least fav character: Mephiston, because he has a ridiculous statline and is a poor model with his massive peripheral vision killing collar of silliness.

Least Fav race: Chaos space marines. I just think the ebil marines with spikes thing is getting a bit old now..

Daedricbob wrote:

Least Fav race: Chaos space marines. I just think the ebil marines with spikes thing is getting a bit old now..

Evil Marines with Spikes was "old" the moment the fourth Ed.CSM: Codex hit the stands...but then again,"Evil Marines with Spikes" (IMO) isn't what CSM were ever supposed to be...the fact that it's what they became would be the fault of GW.

Not my statement - it is actually from bdjames, his one and so far only post, but I feel it's very apropo for this thread:

I've always found that Tau perfectly fit into the grim dark future theme of 40k. But, to see it, you have to recognize that 40k is told from the point of view of humanity. For humanity, in the future there is only war. What make the Tau fit into this scheme is they are everything humanity could have been, but will never be. They are optimistic, cooperative, diplomatic, not corrupted by the warp, and expanding rapidly. The represent the apex of grim dark for humanity, because they stand for the proposition that the universe doesn't care about humanity. We're not the center of everything. We're not the favored race. We're not destined to win. At the end of the day, some other race on the far side of the galaxy will become what we could have become. Humanity is just destined for war and failure, and in the end, we'll be replaced by aliens we've never heard of, and the universe will never miss our passing.

Least favourite army- Chaos they just seem dated and in novels are a bit cheesy.

least favourite model- ig riding lizards, ok then.

least favourite character- comissar yarrick, im not up to date but hes surely dead by now right? anyway who is dumb enough to try and fight a 20+ft ork (ghazghkull) loses get's taken hostage and then tortured. Then released and thinks you know what im going to have another go at him.

Da-Rock wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:

winnertakesall wrote:Easy, Ragnar Blackmane, the mini is just so outdated, even with the recent SW release, they never bothered to update it.

Except that with all the nhew plastics, you can basiacally build a better Ragnar.

Play it as either Ragnar or your Lone Wolf in PA, or even a Wolf Guard Battle Leader.

phantommaster wrote:Abaddon.

beat me to it... FAILbaddon... seriously, Lord of Chaos Undivided and he stands smaller than a Blood Thirster's axe.

Space_Potato wrote:Race - Tau. They just don't seem to fit in anywhere.
Mini - Dreadknight. Just... just... eww.

S_P

Tau fit where they were designed to fit... and they draw in the anime fanbois... you know, the guys who wanna play with Appleseed mechas.

The closet I get to Anime is the old Robotech cartoons I watched as a kid. No desire for modern day Mecha/Anime - yet I still like the look and style of Tau. Its funny how one person will say something like - "Tau are for Anime fanbois" and then the lemmings come out to regurgitate the same line over and over.

Actually, it wasnt just regurgitation, it is a common observation from when they were first released and it still holds true to this day.

GW are tapping into this niche, and continue to do so, just look at the Dreadknight.

...and since we are using ad hominem, Im guessing you dont know much about anime to appreciate it as an art form and that Tau actually derive more heavily from the Americanised styles and not Japanese. Which is why you enjoy the bastardised form exemplified in Robotech and Exo-Squad (which tau warriors and suits actually look very similar to).

Viridian wrote:
I'm going to have to say the whole Assassin line up... what gets me too is that there not in any chapter or army there just kinda solo doing there thing and are thrown in imperial armies for reasons right now just GK and WH too my knowledge. But seeing them and having seen them for awhile I think they are pretty damn old. How old I don't know but I think its older then I want to know. If they update them I think it would be a nice change for people that like the assassin models and some of them just look silly mostly the Culexus Assassin at the worse, They could make a better model for Callidus and Eversor as well.
The other thing I don't get is the many people that just seem to slap black paint on these guys I mean if they are that bad to just slap black paint on them and add a few white / gold buckles skulls then that's a pretty bad model. The only one to really stand its time and still seem to hold up is the Vindicare Assassin just off his streamlined stereotype of a sniper and riflemen that has fit for years. In the end update: Assassin's

-Viri

these models have been around since I was a kid hehe... so where looking at 12-15 years minimum... but I beg to differ, they still look kool, well all but the one wearing an eggplant on his head. Oh and hello! badasses wear black, I thought that was common knowledge. If you want rainbows, play eldar.

Ogiwan wrote:I don't care much about the modeling aspect. That said, yeah, models without a helmet bother me. In addition to the people pointing out the....questionable sense in wearing Pimp Freaking Armor with no helmet, it bothers me as a historian.

In World War I, the French fought, initially, with just their Kepi hats; cloth hats, no protection. However, they were sustaining massive causalities from shrapnel. When they, and all the other combatants, began to issue helmets, a lot more people started living.

BTW, the helmets weren't to protect against MG fire; they were to protect against shrapnel.

Anyways. So, my least-liked type of model is one that lacks a helmet. As for a single character, well, I hate Chenkov because of his rules and fluff. I *hate* the mindset of Chenkov and his ilk.

I beg to differ, as a combat veteran, (1-4 CAV) we would take off our helmets whenever we possibly could as they were annoying and inhibiting (range of neck movement, loss of hearing directionally) rather than helpful. This isn't all that uncommon with special operations units either, reason being that if your getting shot in the head, your probably doing something wrong to begin with.

Historically, your correct that helmets were worn for protection against shrapnel, though now shrapnel isn't what kills you in a blast, it's the concussion or force of the blast. In this case, it really doesn't matter what your wearing, internal bleeding and hemorrhaging will still kill you. Helmets now are more for safety (falling etc...) concerns with the military now upgraded to hearing protection and eye protection (hearing protection, really? talk about depriving the senses that will keep you alive), think of them as wartime hardhats.

Given the fact that this is in the year 40,000 ish, I would also have to say that while SM helmets probably compensate for the very reasons us soldiers take our helmets off, there is still something unnatural to the feel of wearing a helmet for long periods of time, if anyone wants to test this- try wearing a gas mask for a day straight and see what I mean.

can't find the quote but someone mentioned about ugly imperial guard heads... Well soldiers are ugly! There not supposed to look like America's next top model. They're loser no name, part time criminals from one street towns who get suckered into the ideals of patriotism and promises of a better life. It's a bit sad in a way... it's always the poor sh**bags that die to defend a country...

But I agree, helmet-less space marines look well see below...

Lord_Astaroth wrote: ...Jokaero concept is just plain goofy...I'd make them proxies, but they are just plain goofy... Marines without helmets. Just plain goofy... I seriously doubt that they could take a point blank shot with a .45 to the coconut.

There is a rap song in this somewhere, I know it. And who gets the .45 upgrade? might be my next army


That being said eldar are my least favorite. I mean cmon "EEeeelveesss in SpppaaAACCeEEEEeee." Of course this is very hyppocritical of me because I play "OOOoooorrKKKsss in SpppaaAAACCccEEeee."

As far as models... the orc choppa is as big as the orc... lame! proportions people proportions...

taylor048 wrote:Least favourite army- Chaos they just seem dated and in novels are a bit cheesy.

least favourite model- ig riding lizards, ok then.

least favourite character- comissar yarrick, im not up to date but hes surely dead by now right? anyway who is dumb enough to try and fight a 20+ft ork (ghazghkull) loses get's taken hostage and then tortured. Then released and thinks you know what im going to have another go at him.

Yarrick is alive afaik...
I seem to remember Ghazkull dying but that probably isn't right.
I'm also pretty sure the IG lizards are a conversion rather than a GW model... though they may have used the Cold Ones from Fantasy for them in which case i agree with you.

purplefood wrote:

taylor048 wrote:Least favourite army- Chaos they just seem dated and in novels are a bit cheesy.

least favourite model- ig riding lizards, ok then.

least favourite character- comissar yarrick, im not up to date but hes surely dead by now right? anyway who is dumb enough to try and fight a 20+ft ork (ghazghkull) loses get's taken hostage and then tortured. Then released and thinks you know what im going to have another go at him.

Yarrick is alive afaik...
I seem to remember Ghazkull dying but that probably isn't right.
I'm also pretty sure the IG lizards are a conversion rather than a GW model... though they may have used the Cold Ones from Fantasy for them in which case i agree with you.

Yea, I think Ghaz is dead... you play him historically I believe...

DeadBabySoup wrote:

purplefood wrote:

taylor048 wrote:Least favourite army- Chaos they just seem dated and in novels are a bit cheesy.

least favourite model- ig riding lizards, ok then.

least favourite character- comissar yarrick, im not up to date but hes surely dead by now right? anyway who is dumb enough to try and fight a 20+ft ork (ghazghkull) loses get's taken hostage and then tortured. Then released and thinks you know what im going to have another go at him.

Yarrick is alive afaik...
I seem to remember Ghazkull dying but that probably isn't right.
I'm also pretty sure the IG lizards are a conversion rather than a GW model... though they may have used the Cold Ones from Fantasy for them in which case i agree with you.

Yea, I think Ghaz is dead... you play him historically I believe...

I'd prefer it if he wasn't dead...
I liked the rivalry between Ghaz and Yarrick.

FITZZ wrote:

Backfire wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
I wont dispute that Eldar too have an Anime-ish look about them,though I'd argue the anime theme is more previalent with Tau,also from a marketing perspective ,it appears that the Tau were released to coincide with the increase in popularity of anime.

I doubt there was much, if any, conscious attempt to "cash" on anime popularity. Remember, Tau was only one potential concept studied for all-new race, other candidates we know of (Kroot, Vespid, Demiurg) had no 'anime feel' whatsoever. If anything, Tau are an inception of more typical, Star trek-ish scifi stereotypes into 40k universum.

And even if the Tau were designed to "draw in anime fanboys", so what? Orks & Eldar were designed to draw in fantasy fanboys, Space Wolves were designed to draw in Viking fanboys, Necrons were designed to draw in Terminator fanboys...the list goes on and on.

Again..no argument here,various 40k factions obviously have there appeal to various "types",I for example love the zombie genre,hence my choice to collect Death Guard,I Enjoy the idea of hordes of barbaric savages who kick the gak out of everything they encouter...so I collected Orks,and most recently my love of the film Zulu (as well as the idea of a regal yet insane army) has spured me on to collect Praetorian IG.
The fact that I dislike anime (as well as the " Rah Rah go us!!"theme) is why Tau fall into the slot of MY least favorite 40k race.

Well then spank my ass and call me Mandy because as far as I'm concerned I have never been an "Elf fanboy". Even with my brief WFB phase I played Dwarfs and kinda despised Elfs.
I wish there was an army of Dwarfs in space. But there is none. And there have never, ever been one.

space dwarves in terminator armor.... imagine the possibilities

Radical wrote:I hate the Space Marines, the newer the more I hate them. They're about as bad as Dragon Ball Z and older comic books in terms of how it boils down to a never ending pissing contest of who can be the most over-the-top. Primarily the reason why I hate most of the 40k fluff.

This is kinda my feeling as well. The concept of the Space Marines is of course super cool, and I really like their 3rd edition feel of being very techy, brutal "cleanse/purge/kill" types with pipes and wires and blades everywhere. Now it's a more "shining knights in spaaaaaaaaaaaace" visual and more "for the honorable glory of the gloriously righteous honorable honor of the glory of righteousness!" and fluff drivel that makes internet fanfic look halfway decent.



The Space Marines have lost their feeling of being psychoindoctrinated religious fanatic super soldier warrior monks of an oppressive theocratic military state, and now are increasingly portrayed as mary-sue knights in shining armor, with flavors of Extra Mary Sue (Ultramarines), Twilight/Emomarines (BA's), Yet More Nauseating Mary Sue with Knights of Yore in SPAAACE (GK's), and WolfMcWolfyWolfWolfFurryWolves (SW's).

It of course also doesn't help that each book needs to outdo the other in order to prove that it really needs its own book (even when they don't, BA's and C:SM share outright 80% of their units and most of the others are minor variations on the rest) so we get increasingly derpy armies on the table as a result (BA armies with as much heavy armor as IG even though they are supposed to be an assault army renknowned for jump packs, SW armies of min/max'd Razorhunter units and Giant Wolves, etc).

I really want to like Space Marines again, I really do. They are the integral core of the 40k universe and have a lot of cool history. But the way they are presented and the army lists designed at this point, they've just lost their Grimdark feel to the unending sea of "we are so awesome and always win", and the continued output of Mat Ward it makes it increasingly difficult to do so.

Case in point. Ulrik the Wolf Priest made his name by slaying three Khornate Berzerkers in hand to hand fighting all by his onesy. Pretty awesome. Not world endingly spectacular but for a single marine to defeat three such foes on their terms was a huge feat. Awesome, but believable.

Kaldor Draigo on the other hand, carves his name into a Daemon Primarch's heart, burns Nurgle's gardens, destroys a city of Tzeentch and buries a greater daemon within using a single blow, defeats a bloodthirster in single combat and reforges his daemonic weapon into a new sword, destroys 6 of Slaanesh's chosen handmaidens, and now makes the Daemonic afraid of him in their own realm of insanity. He does stuff even the Emperor didn't/couldn't, totally breaks the suspension of disbelief and reads like a bad internet fanfic.

I like the Tau, but of all the 40K races, they don't really sit that well with the whole gothic grimdark theme.