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The lace on the armor actually makes a lot of sense. While sometimes impractical, a sisters armor is not always for battle.

While they do fight the ecclesiarchy's wars, they also act as guardians for the shrines and temples found across the imperium and as such, they are a powerful symbol to anyone that looks at them.

By the way, where did you dig up that new avatar picture Melissia? I love the art and I am curious to see if the person who made it has more material.

A militia kit would make me the happiest boy alive. Any opportunity for more of the freaky gaggles to show their faces in this game is a good thing.

Voldrak wrote:The lace on the armor actually makes a lot of sense. While sometimes impractical, a sisters armor is not always for battle.

While they do fight the ecclesiarchy's wars, they also act as guardians for the shrines and temples found across the imperium and as such, they are a powerful symbol to anyone that looks at them.

By the way, where did you dig up that new avatar picture Melissia? I love the art and I am curious to see if the person who made it has more material.

Auzzymo on deviantart.

Brother SRM wrote:A militia kit would make me the happiest boy alive. Any opportunity for more of the freaky gaggles to show their faces in this game is a good thing.

Indeed. It'd offer a very wide option for customization and using GW's other kits too.

I just hope we can get a leaked pic of the new sisters plastics soon I'm dieing to see the new stuff despite my concerns.

I'm still hoping for the sisters to be 10 to a box and not 5. Gameplay and point wise it wouldn't make much sense despite the fact it will come with a lot of extra bits. Points wise SoB are very cheap and would be best at 10 models per a box much like the SW box which came with a lot of options and could make several units.

Melissia wrote:Auzzymo on deviantart.

checked him out, good stuff

I don't believe the regular SoB kit would come with jump packs, or I don't want to believe it. I'm not sure which. To make a seraphim, you need a jump pack, dual pistols, and hopefuly different poses for legs (as is customary for jump packers across the board). That's an extra pair of arms AND legs in addition to the jump pack. All you'd be missing is another torso and head to make a whole extra model, and at that point you might as well make it a seperate kit. Instead of seraphim bits on the spru I'd rather see some heavy weapons.

I really like the idea of lace on the models. I really want the sisters to have a more victorian look. The female inquisitor wearing sororitas armor is a good example of what it could look like.

As for the new tank, I don't think they could have a Reedemer, unless they retcon the fluff. The Emperor was supposed to have decreed that only smurfs get landraiders because there weren't enough resources to go around during the heresy. After he became handi-capable there was nobody with the authority to countermand the order, thus it stands to this day. Besides that I'd much eather see them get somthing unique. What about some kind of mobile shrine/tank? That's sort of what the excorcist is.

Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG. All of the other types of squads have a squad size of 5. Those would be Retributors and Dominions and possibly Celestians. We should also expect 2 of every special and heavy weapon type just like in the Grey Knights sets. That would easily let them do all squad types. Now they could also charge 33$ each box too so they can make more money back.

As for other kits they actually need to produce a lot of them. For vehicles they need to replace the Exorcist since its crappy hyrbid kit. They coudl roll another vehicle into the Exorcist kit since the Sisters have woefully few vehicles. There is need of a Penitent Engine kit since that is another metal nightmare to put together. The aformentioned Seraphim and Repentia need to be done as well. If there is a 2nd troop unit they will need to make that. That woudl be at least 6 plastic kits that they need to make. Sisters need as much stuff as the Dark Eldar did maybe more ssuming they add any new units to the codex.

andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.

And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...

I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.

One place they could painlessly save some space on the Battle Sister sprue would be treat the Heavy Flamer like an ordinary special weapon, rendering the Flamer obsolete.

IOW, a Battle Sister squad could take 2 Heavy Flamers, or a Dominion squad could take 4.

So, what do you think they should get for vehicles?

A Heavy tank would be a good start, obviously, but would you use a Rhino chassis, Leman Russ Chasis, or chimera? Rhino would keep it looking similar, but a Chimera chassis with the appropriate canon and rear piece would look pretty fierce.

As for the cannon, a Vindicator or a Demolisher cannon perhaps? The Nova canon could actually work fairly well for them, despite its limited use in IG armies. A Punisher cannon, with a little tweaking (36" range, str 5 Ap 6) would serve them well.

Granted, I'm not a SoB player, but I think moving the Penitant Engine to a fast attack slot and making a few other changes would help to make it a better choice.

A vehicle specficly for transporting arco flagelents would be another good choice, perhaps a rhino chassis with cage doors instead of the current hatches.

I'm just throwing out ideas here based on how I've seem SoB play and what I've garnered from reading the codex a few times.

Melissia wrote:

andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.

And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...

I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.

Perhaps I should have said Imperial troops as that is the common thread for the 'elite' armies of the Imperium. One of the big issues with 5 edition is MSU. Without being able to field smaller cheaper units for scoring it makes it harder to win games some times. Orks and Tyranids may be forced to field a minimum of 10 but their troop choices are far cheaper and probably will stay as such when Sisters get their their 5th ed codex. Necrons are an older codex and I bet they will go to 5 as well. At least thier troops are more durable than Sisters. Eldar would really be the odd man out so to speak but as their codex probably needs to be replaced, I expect they will drop minimum sqaud size also.


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Lonecoon wrote:So, what do you think they should get for vehicles?

A Heavy tank would be a good start, obviously, but would you use a Rhino chassis, Leman Russ Chasis, or chimera? Rhino would keep it looking similar, but a Chimera chassis with the appropriate canon and rear piece would look pretty fierce.

As for the cannon, a Vindicator or a Demolisher cannon perhaps? The Nova canon could actually work fairly well for them, despite its limited use in IG armies. A Punisher cannon, with a little tweaking (36" range, str 5 Ap 6) would serve them well.

Granted, I'm not a SoB player, but I think moving the Penitant Engine to a fast attack slot and making a few other changes would help to make it a better choice.

A vehicle specficly for transporting arco flagelents would be another good choice, perhaps a rhino chassis with cage doors instead of the current hatches.

I'm just throwing out ideas here based on how I've seem SoB play and what I've garnered from reading the codex a few times.

I'd rather not get strange weapons that don't fit into the Holy Trinity of melta, bolt, or flamer. I thought more like a heavy tank with a flamestorm cannon, a melta cannon, or some kind super bolter (along the lines of the Vulcan megabolter) and perhaps some additional weapons like some hurricane bolters. Hurricane bolters with blessed ammunition would rock. Failing that it would be great to have some vehicle with an assault ramp so I can deliver my foot canoness and her bodyguard to a target to destroy some people in assault.

A heavy tank doesn't really feel "right" for Sisters. It's not their style. I wouldn't expect them getting any tanks heavier than a Predator equivalent. Even then, they should stick to the Rhino chassis since that's always been theirs thematically. A chimera or Leman Russ would be out of place.

Brother SRM wrote:A heavy tank doesn't really feel "right" for Sisters. It's not their style. I wouldn't expect them getting any tanks heavier than a Predator equivalent. Even then, they should stick to the Rhino chassis since that's always been theirs thematically. A chimera or Leman Russ would be out of place.

They need something. If they don't get a heavy tank they would be the only Imperial Faction without access to an AV14 vehicle. I can't imagine the Ecclesiarchy letting that one slide by. Before you could sneak in a Land Raider if you fielded an Inquisitor. Since that probably isn't goign to happen in the next codex, soemthing shoudl occur. Remember the new 5the dition codexes are pushing the boundaries in terms of models and units. Each codex has had at least one brand new unit that that didn't exist before as a model. If Grey Knights and Blood Angels can get a new flying brick why can't Sisters get a new tank.

A heavy tank DOES feel right for Sisters. Why wouldn't it? Certainly they get involved in the nitty gritty of fighting more than Marines do.

They don't have drop pods or aircraft for fast insertion-- so they HAVE to get stuck in to the fighting the old fashioned way-- driving or walking.

Which means they need mobile fire support.

Which means they need tanks.

Sisters need something along the lines of twenty brand new units-- yes, TWENTY* units that have never existed before in a Sororitas army list-- to match the other fifth edition codices. You HAVE to create new units. Sisters are an Imperial army with a focus on close-ranged firepower, and heavy tanks are an excellent way to deliver close-ranged firepower and fit the Imperium to a tee (the Imperium loving its heavy tanks).


* C:SM is used as the basis for this claim, as it is pretty much the basis for all fifth edition codices and what all fo them are compared to. It has 33 units not including special characters (42 including them). Even including ecclesiarchal options, Sororitas have 12 units (14 if you count the palatine and priest as separate choices). Even including the Inquisition units (which probably aren't going to be in the codex), that still adds up to only around 16-18 units, meaning bare minimum you'll need to add in 15 new units.

I vote they get access to the Redeemer. It really seems to be up their alley.

If they get access to redeemer they really need a heavy power armor type (not terminator armor, just bigger, stronger power armor-- combat armor if you will, with more strength-enhancements and better protection than basic power armor) to put in it... or at least an assault unit which can ride into a transport... which they currently do not have.

Or we could give them the Faithknight.

With twin Redeemer Cannons!

Melissia wrote:If they get access to redeemer they really need a heavy power armor type (not terminator armor, just bigger, stronger power armor-- combat armor if you will, with more strength-enhancements and better protection than basic power armor) to put in it... or at least an assault unit which can ride into a transport... which they currently do not have.

Wouldn't the arco flagelants fulfill this roll? I mean, they're probably going to get an overhaul, so why not?

Melissia wrote:A heavy tank DOES feel right for Sisters. Why wouldn't it?

The only reason I really feel this way is because they haven't had access to any before. The Land Raider models, both the RT/2nd ed one and the more current one, released before the respective Sisters codices of their times. If GW wanted them to have them, they would have gotten them then. While I know you're not proposing a Land Raider, per se, there's no real precedent for one for the Sisters. If GW gave them one I wouldn't complain and it would fill a nice niche, but if they didn't get one I wouldn't feel like Sisters are at a distinct disadvantage.

Arco-flagellants are neither a Sisters unit nor can they ride in transports.

I don't want to have to resort to using a freakshow just to put an assault unit in a land raider.

Melissia wrote:Arco-flagellants are neither a Sisters unit nor can they ride in transports.

I don't want to have to resort to using a freakshow just to put an assault unit in a land raider.

So we're talking a pure sisters line here instead of a Witchunters Codex?

Lonecoon wrote:

Melissia wrote:Arco-flagellants are neither a Sisters unit nor can they ride in transports.

I don't want to have to resort to using a freakshow just to put an assault unit in a land raider.

So we're talking a pure sisters line here instead of a Witchunters Codex?

No, we're talking about Sisters+Ecclesiarchy.

Inquisition has seemingly been pigeonholed into Grey Knights.

Lonecoon wrote: Wouldn't the arco flagelants fulfill this roll? I mean, they're probably going to get an overhaul, so why not?

The new Arco-flagellants are worse than before with only a Feel No Pain save. They have T 3 and I 3. Its true their strength went up by 1 but they went down from T5 to T3 and lost the invuln save they had. With I 3 and no Furious Charge and a crappy save they really won't do much against other assualt units. Furthermore they lost their power weapons. At least they have 4 attacks :(

If Arco-flagellants are in they will likley copy the stats from Grey Knights which makes them sub par.

Kanluwen wrote:

Lonecoon wrote:

Melissia wrote:Arco-flagellants are neither a Sisters unit nor can they ride in transports.

I don't want to have to resort to using a freakshow just to put an assault unit in a land raider.

So we're talking a pure sisters line here instead of a Witchunters Codex?

No, we're talking about Sisters+Ecclesiarchy.

Pretty much. And ecclesiarchal stuff has basically no place in a land raider. It's all massed hordes.

andrewm9 wrote:

Melissia wrote:

andrewm9 wrote:Five Sisters in a box is probably the way to go, for a few reasons. I expect the minimum size for Sisters squads will go down to 5 just every other codex with troop units except IG.

And Eldar (in the case of Guardians, who are intended to be the common troops even if they aren't very good at it), and Necrons, and Orks, and Tyranids (except for warriors and rippers, whom aren't the "common" troops), and Tau...

I doubt sisters will have their minimum reduced to five. More likely than not we'll just see two five sister sprues in a box.

Perhaps I should have said Imperial troops as that is the common thread for the 'elite' armies of the Imperium. One of the big issues with 5 edition is MSU. Without being able to field smaller cheaper units for scoring it makes it harder to win games some times. Orks and Tyranids may be forced to field a minimum of 10 but their troop choices are far cheaper and probably will stay as such when Sisters get their their 5th ed codex. Necrons are an older codex and I bet they will go to 5 as well. At least thier troops are more durable than Sisters. Eldar would really be the odd man out so to speak but as their codex probably needs to be replaced, I expect they will drop minimum sqaud size also.

I'd rather not with in the current C:WH a SoB squad size is 10-20 sisters and it would make no sense to have them come in a box of 5.

The only army that makes sense for is GK. Why, because game play and points wise GK are very expensive to field and come with very good base line equipment. At 25 pts each gray knight out of the box has a nemesis force weapon (which counts as a power weapon with +2 strength bonus), storm bolter, and power armor. Base a 5 man squad of GK's before the upgrades is 150pts before any upgrades.

GK stats - ws5 bs4 s4 t4 w1 i4 a1 ld8 sv3+

SM tack squad box comes with 10 marines, sure squad size is 5-10 plus the box comes with extra bits to upgrade the squad. At 15 pts each they come with a Bolter, bolt pistol, krak+frag grenades, power armor. 5 man squad is 90pts before any upgrades.

Sm tack stats - ws4 bs4 s4 t4 w1 i4 a1 ld8 sv3+

SW box set is a great example, why? because you can make 5 different squads out of it (Gray Hunters, Blood Claws, Wolf Guard, Wolf Lord, and Lone Wolf) and if your good at modeling and converting make that a total of 7 including the Rune preist, and Wolf preist. Yet they still come in a box of 10 with plenty of extras. Well lets look at their point cost and equipment of the basic Gray Hunter squad. 15pts each, Bolter, Bolt pistol, CC weapon, Krag+Frag grenades, power armor. 5 man squad is 75pts before any upgrades.

GH stats - ws4 bs4 s4 t4 w1 I4 a1 Ld8 sv3+

Then lastly lets look at the SoB squad with the minimum squad size of 10. 11pts each, Bolter, power armor. 110 pts before any upgrades.

SoB stats - ws3 bs4 s3 t3 w1 i3 a1 ld8 sv3+

Just from that little bit of information it would make no sense to have the new plastic SoB come in a box set of 5 nor would it make any sense to cut their min. squad size down to 5. The only reason why sisters get even remotely compared to space marines is because of the 3+ armor save. I can see the new plastic SoB kit being more like the SW box set and not the GK set.

INdeed, Sisters are closer to vet guard.

If Vet Guard had Power Armor and boltguns as base equipment, yeah.

Oh by the Throne, i hope this is right, as i've wanted to collect sister of battle since i started this hobby, but their limited pose expensive as feth models put me off.

Kanluwen wrote:If Vet Guard had Power Armor and boltguns as base equipment, yeah.

That and leadership/faith instead of Orders is pretty much the main difference.

And the bewbz. Can't forget the bewbz

hmm, when i find the time I should try and do up a sketch from the description to see if we can get an idea.