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Well with the SoB about a year or a little less away what are hopes, dreams, concerns, ect of the locals at dakka for the SoB plastics. Everyone including current sob players, to be sob players, modelers, converters and anyone thinking of using the new sob plastics in some way.
when through the Dakka recent new's and rumor thread on the SoB here - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/357235.page - to try and dig up any of the rumors specifically dedicated to the plastics and did some looking up on my own as well.
Well turns out there wasn't any in the news and rumor thread so did some digging of my own and this is what I found.
I'm posting this in the rumor section on purpose, but it's more of a review.
I got to get a good look at a new protoype basic sister, and I'm hoping one of our other sources can sneak a picture out once they see it. The reason is, this sister has a "veil". Words cannot describe...the detailing is phenomenal. The veil is a separate piece, but it looks gorgeous. If they can get this right in molding the sisters wave will be beautiful models. If you've seen this one, you know what I mean... I begged to take a photo for here, but no luck.
The model maintains the existing armor styling, but with more filigree. Little details like lace boot tops, small details in the armor. Look at the evolution of daemonettes to wyches, and think what the next step would be.
The bolters however are now streamlined, they are not the marine bolter we've known and loved, but still recognizable. Feminine.
I know I'm getting folks worked up, but sisters are still a long way off, it will be a long wait. So temper any enthusiasm.
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I've had a chance to gather notes and thoughts a bit more now that I've completed my work today and had time to get a pint and a bite...
So to clarify a few bits.
The lace, is not laces, its lace around the top of the boot. at the knee. the model has like a pirate style boot and the lace is around the top edge..or thats my take away of what it was.
The bolter is still most certainly a bolter, but look at the existing line, the bolters are disproportioned...e specially the bolt pistols...to the models. the new ones are much more like the AoBRSM bolters. With straps, etc. and are separate pieces from arms. they "look" slighty thinner than a SM bolter and have a different shape to the over all gun, but they are not "Girly" i did not have a SM handy to compare directly, so it could just be impression. Also, they have abandoned the banana clip completely it seems.
the veil covered the whole head, its an alternate to the helmet, the face piece is just separate. think cobra commander vs vera wang wedding.
the torso has small details in the corset, i think skulls.
the tabard between the legs had flur de lis details.
there are "sleeves" similar to the image on 19 of the current WH book. similar, but not identical.
I'll reiterate this is a prototype though, not what has necessarily been approved. But as a beta stage model, i really like it, and I think a teaser of it would really build up excitement...hint hint GW overlords... Maybe wait til closer to release...
Overall when i see the current sisters their are very "bulky" these new ones are very graceful, but in a brutal way. the poses are much more dynamic and agressive. not everyone has their feet planted shoulder width apart torso straight on to their opponents....
I was told there will be numerous head options for the sisters, in the way theyve been doing all releases, but the "bob cut" is the preferred hairstyle.
I'm also told sisters repentia, priests, celestians, and seraphim will get new models with seraphim likely to adopt jump packs similar to the sanguinary guard...though I saw no evidence of this. No word on arco flaggelants.
Penitent engine is getting reworked as well.
And of course you saw my Jan rumor post. To provide a clue, Dominion squads.
Inq forces should all be updated by the GK release, so no news there for SoB, but they are expected to be present in the codex.
I also know of a few more "new" units that are being developed.
Cheers.
Spoiler:
A few sisters of battle Tidbits.
Some info about the sister’s codex coming out this fall:
The Sisters of Battle codex is taking a step away from the old codex’s focus on the Inquisition, and is now more of a codex focused on the Ecclesiarchy. The codex will represent the sisters much more truly to their roots in the fluff, and the non sister codex allies have been changed accordingly. More than many codexes’, the new Codex for sisters really feels like a brand new Codex.
Ok, so let’s start with the sisters themselves.
Redone in plastic, the sisters look great. While they won’t look out of place with the sisters of the past, they look much more like members of the church, though the over all look of the armor is very similar, if more ornate. The box set comes with enough plastic to make five sisters, but while we are only getting five girls per box, we are gaining a host of new options. The box contains bits to configure them as either regular sisters or Seraphim, and has tons of cool little extra bits to really make each unit unique. Gone are the Inquisition =I=’s, usually replaced with the fleur-de-lis. I counted eleven heads total, with five helmets, five without helmets and one with a gasmask / respirator type thing. Each of the eleven heads was a unique sculpt. The entire kit just really shows how far molds and model making has come since the days when our old sisters were cast, and while I would have been the first to scream heresy a year ago if you told me the sisters were changing, I have to say that the new ones really look fantastic.
I would like to take a moment to talk about their legs as well. I have always considered myself a modeler/painter first and a gamer second and one of the things that always bothered me about the old sisters were their legs. Like all metal miniatures, moding them was hard, and no sisters really had dynamic posses. The new legs have me really excited because they are very dynamic. I guess I would best compare them to the BA legs from their recent release. They really offer a lot of options in terms of modeling and are really one of the most exciting parts of the kit, in my opinion.
For weapon options the kit comes with a flamer, melt gun, storm bolter and pistol flamer as well as two guns I didn’t recognize including a weird rifle type thing and some gun that looked like a pistol from the 18th century with a torch bracket jammed on the end. There is a right and left handed version of both the pistol flamer and the other weird pistol. There were of course bolters / bolt pistols and both a power weapon and some chain swords. What I really liked about the weapons was their level of detail and individuality. Even though they are the same war gear a squad of space marines might field every piece of equipment screams sisters, and while easily recognizable is quite different from their marine counterparts. I want to say the weapons are smaller, but they might just be sleeker. One of the bolters comes with a strap.
The last thing I will mention about this new kit is that the jetpacks for the seraphim look much more like, well, like jet packs.
The Penitent engine is back in beautiful, mod-able plastic, and thankfully the remained true to its old design in many ways. It has four different options for its two close combat weapons, though I believe they are just aesthetics, and comes with parts to mount either flamer’s or melta’s under its arms. Looking at the kit, I believe its legs are possible similarly to the sentinels as it has a ball joint for its feet and little nubs / indents at the joint in its leg, which is very exciting since that will give us a lot more options when it comes to dynamic poses. Along with the weapons you also get several choices for drivers 3 icon badge things from the major sisters’ factions. A few other miscellaneous pieces like a scroll plate and such finish off the fun little extra bits.
The repressor is finally making an appearance in plastic as well. It looks similar to the FW one, but has the turret reworked and a different dozer blade. It comes with quite a few options to sister it up, from the same three icons I mentioned above, though slightly bigger, to numerous scrolls and of course options for sister doors. The driver has options for a helmeted head or a regular bobcat sister head with a little microphone thingy.
There is also a kit for a new priest, which I could best compare to the empire wizard kit. Fantasy players will know what I am talking about. There are numerous heads from the bald friar look to the crazy bearded look. Additionally we have options for plasma pistols, bolt pistols, and flamer pistols as well as a book arm and of course a gigantic chain sword. The model doesn’t have anything in the way of armor, though the chain sword looks almost big enough that he could hide behind it.
Well that’s all I have for you for now. Sorry I haven’t much in the way of rules, and that’s always the really exciting part, but I though some folks might like to know a little bit about the new models.
Well what are your hope for the sob plastics. I'm hoping they will be pretty good so I can use them for conversions easier. Although I do say from the rumors it sounds like they still have the boob armor.
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I'm really leery about rumors at this point (especially when Stickmoney is involved), but all that seemed oddly specific and believable. I'd like for it to be true, and I'd surely get a priest if it was a plastic kit. I thought GW was out of the plastic HQ idea though, since apparently the Fantasy ones hadn't sold that well.
I'm hoping that sisters will be 10 per a box (and not 5 as per the rumor) sense from the witch hunters codex can't they have like 15 per a squad. that would be almost $100 for a full unit, and money wise the metal models would be cheaper at 10 for like $40 or how ever the box set was.
They were able to get 10 per a box for space wolves and you can technically make 5 different units from it. Gray hunters, blood claws, PA wolf guard, PA wolf lord, PA lone wolf just from the one box. Along with plenty of extra bits.
I just really want to see what I can to with them to convert them into scouts for my Fox themed SW army.
It aslo seems that they still have the boob armor, I was hoping that they might have more of a knight chest plate for the chest armor.
I'm assuming the sprues he's seen are just for 5 models, and, like the Space Wolves, will come 10 to a box. There's four full sprues in a Wolf box, I can only expect the same from Sisters, who are cheaper points-wise.
Indeed, points wise it would make sense for sisters to come 10 to a box.
also recently with the GK with only 5 to a box for the basic gk. Honestly I don't mind that because they are quite expensive points wise at around 25 or so pts per a model if I recall (in the old DH codex). Where as sister are less than half that at 11 pts in the WH codex.
I really want to see the excorsist model revamped. Don't get me wrong, I like the curent model. It's absolutly beautiful and really great for some kind of mobile shrine vehicle that boosts moral. To say the organ pipes fire missiles just seems kind of wardish to me.
As for the boob armor, there have been countless threads about wheather or not female models should have molded breast plates so I won't dwell on the subject. If it where female marines I'd say no molding. For battle sisters I think they need to keep it. For better or worse it's a fundamental part of their design. To change that would be like eldar without pointy helmets.
Automatically Appended Next Post: One thing that I do not want to see in the new codex is any kind of main battle tank type vehicle. I definetly want to see them get a tank that can't be killed by a multi laser, but a russ/predator/hammerhead/falcon tye of MBT just seems terribly out of place. Oh, and i don't want Matt Ward to even KNOW this codex is being written untill it's on store shelves.
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I prefer a whirlwind or the FW varient to the current organ pipe excorsist. I just prefer the missile pod to the organ pipe.
I suppose by now the sisters boob armor has become iconic specifically for them. Fortunately there is green stuff and multiple other modeling clays to fix that .
Also from the recent DE models i believe we can trust GW to do a good job on the SoB faces. This gives me hope when i do conversions for my SW scouts and green stuff up some interesting hair styles for them other than the uniform bob cut hairstyle.
Also the new SoB kits might become the preferred kit for the Female SM conversations over the Wood Elf's from WHF. Specifically for the heads that is.
I'm also interested in the new bolter designs that they have for the sisters. It says that they are forgoing the 'banana clip', perhaps they are going with a straight clip or a box magazine?
c'mon pep'o Dakka chime it, don't let the entire thread be a conversation between me and Cannibal (and taking all the glory) we needs more dakka in here.
I'd expect to see a 10 sister box to cover most units from the codex possibly including Celestians but definitely covering Retributors and Dominions along with the troop squads. Iguess it depends on the various heavy and special weapon options for all the units. It coudl be successfully done like Grey Knighst were though with 5. It makes it easier to accumlate all the weapon choices. I figure we'll get a 5 girl Seraphim set along with a Repentia Set (unless they are retconned away or are given a different look). What would be awesome is to get a different Celestian boxed set of 5 with a totally blinged out armor (in my fandex version I call it blessed armor and its alot like terminator armor in protectiveness with a 2+/6+).
I expect we'll see a redo of the hybrid Exorcist kit into all plastic along with a Rhino/Immolator kit possibly throwing a Repressor kit. The codex needs at least one more armored vehicle to call its own which could possibly be mixed in with the Exorcist. My personal hope is to see a dropship or gunship like vehicle for their own flyer.
I'm really hoping it ends up being 10 sisters to a box, but I fear that the inclusion of the seraphim jet packs is going to be their justification for cutting it down to 5. Like assault marine vs tactical marine kits. If this is all true, then yeah, it'll probably be just as expensive to build a new army of them as it used to be...although at least it'll be cheaper than today's just about black-market prices.
This could open up interesting options though. Pure conjecture here, but if the jet packs are going to be that prevalent modelling-wise, I'm wondering if they're going to have some sort of HQ that allows taking seraphim as troops. Maybe even Celestine. It seems like that'd fit in both with her intended playstyle and GW's current codex design.
I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
Tbh I'm not to bothered how they cut up the boxes though, just as long as they look as good if not better than the current range.
Going to see some sales in our house as well, Aurelia is planning a SoB army, shes wanted them for a long time.
While I am planning to pick up a few boxes to help bring a womans touch to my Slaanesh Warband the 'Vile Brood' in my CSM factions army. Mainly as the Vile Brood are currently looking the weakest in terms of model count.
Glad I hadn't done too much on them now, as it'll be worth the wait to go with a near 50-50 split gender wise through the units.
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For weapon options the kit comes with a flamer, melt gun, storm bolter and pistol flamer as well as two guns I didn’t recognize including a weird rifle type thing and some gun that looked like a pistol from the 18th century with a torch bracket jammed on the end.
Flamer, meltagun, storm bolter, hand flamer, possibly a sniper rifle or bolt crossbow (similar to the current version or the version in retribution), and inferno pistol.
So can we expect to be able to have assault based sisters if standard sister squads can have a pair of ahnd flamers or inferno pistols? Would be neat, even fi it was just celestians.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
I would hate to have to buy four boxes just to make one squad. That's IG levels of expenditure.
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But at the same time, Sisters aren't Grey Knights, they're closer to vet guard squads, which you can get from one box.
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Aye, I'm just thinking from GW's standpoint, I can't see them doing five plus plastic releases, plus metals.
If the sisters do get a Codex this year (and I do hope they do) then they'll probably be looking at the Grey Knight, Tomb Kings level release, which was three/four plastic kits, plus maybe a couple metals.
We'd get far more than that, that's not even a fraction of a fifth edition codex.
For Sisters they're going to have to have a lot of different types of infantry based off of the battle sister or vehicles based off of imperial vehicles, or they're going to have a lot of new models.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I think it will be a five sister box, but with the parts to make Dominion, Battle and Celestian Squads. I think Seraphim will get there own box of five, but they might make a new unit based off that box as well.
I would hate to have to buy four boxes just to make one squad. That's IG levels of expenditure.
Yeah but you will still buy a crap ton, melissa. You know you will.
No, because I don't want to go into debt over little plastic soldiers.
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Well I'm thinking on what they may or not replace intially. Odds are if they stay in the book, the following would stay with current models.
Celestine
Cannoness
Repentia
Inquisitorial allies
What I listed above covers pretty much the rest of the book.
So unless they add some more new stuff, which isn't gauranted to get 1st wave status anyways, look at Tyranids and even Dark Eldar, got a lot, but still have more due and talk is the Haemonculi faction aren't going to seen models in wave 2.
Then I can't see the need from them to do loads of boxes. I agree they'd be nice, but I am thinking we'll be seeing more combined boxes.
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The problem is that Dark eldar still had more models to choose from than Sisters did.
Sisters are still using second edition models.
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Aye, I agree with what you are saying in general Melissia, I am (oddly) trying to look at it from the GW position, so although I would love to see five or six plastic kits plus a fair load of metals like the Dark Eldar.
I suspect, and am suggesting due to that we will see three to four like the Grey Knights. I think its the 'cost' of releasing this many books in one year.
Hopefully if done well it won't be a problem, but, and this is the but, from GW's position, the combined boxes grants them justification in their eyes at least to charge a higher premium for the boxes. This is also another reason to why I am thinking it'll be the smaller ammount of boxes.
I will however happily dance around the room, if I am wrong.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
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So for vehicles, sisters need what? I assume that the Rhino chasis is one sprue, then just toss in another sprue for the flur de les, and immolators? Or perhaps they'd just sell an upgrade sprue for the Rhino chasis.
A plastic exorcist would be nice, if only because the metal models weigh in at two pounds a piece.
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I'm guessing they'll just do a Immolater/Exorcist box to get rid of the metal/plastic kits that currently exist. I can see them leaving the Rhino as it is.
You either buy a Marine Rhino and use as is, or use marks from a Immolater/Exorcist box if you have spare. Or even just buy the new Imm/Ex box and use as a Rhino.
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Lonecoon wrote:So for vehicles, sisters need what?
Sisters have five vehicles total right now.
Four rhino-based vehicles, three of which are transports, and one walker.
Hopefully they give us more than this, because it is truly a pathetic amount of vehicles.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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Yes, but it's not a battle tank. Just a heavy transport.
The predator and leman russ are battle tanks, of different kind (predators being light and maneuverable while leman russ tanks are slow but powerful).
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