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johnnyrumour wrote:Maybe it's just because dual-wielding Marines look cool...

Yep, i think so too.

Don't like the Giant Steel Pimples armour, but that's GW's fault, not FW's

And not a fan of the 'standing on one leg' pose, never liked it on the plastic Berzerkers either, but that's just personal taste.

I think the jump packs are great, if i was richer then my Stormboyz would definitely loot some.

I like the look of these guys. I may well have to invest in these as my vanguard veterens or honour guard

Guess it best fits here:

Preview pic from Games Day France of the new Salamander MK4 Ironclad Dreadnought, able to represent Bray'arth Ashmantle from badab War, (posted by Alvena and anselminus over at Warseer):

Why the Heresy period armour? The Badab war happened (will happen) in M39.41

Or has the fluff been changed?

The "pimples", if I recall correctly, are because the armour of the period was made from a more crappy material. The studs help to make it less crappy (like metal studs on leather armour). I forget the special magic words, but thats the gist of it.


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more detail: I think it might have been that the materials were heavier, and so to reduce weight, the studs were used on thinner armour. Something like that.

Yup, the studs were a form of ablative re-enforcement to armors when certain higher grade materials were unavailable.

You can really tell who the young pups are when they don't know what the 'steel pimples' are lol! Back in the RT early 2nd ed days, you could hardly get a marine without studs on it somewhere!

I personally love them, and will happily paint up my mkV armor sooner or later, love me some heresy pattern action!

George Spiggott wrote:Why the Heresy period armour? The Badab war happened (will happen) in M39.41

Or has the fluff been changed?

Most likely just because they felt it would be cool and maybe one or more of the chapters featured will have a paragraph in their write-up that mentions they have a lot of older equipment they keep using for whatever reason.

Balance wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Why the Heresy period armour? The Badab war happened (will happen) in M39.41

Or has the fluff been changed?

Most likely just because they felt it would be cool and maybe one or more of the chapters featured will have a paragraph in their write-up that mentions they have a lot of older equipment they keep using for whatever reason.

Older equipment doesn't really get 'phased out' of the Astartes unless it's completely useless. It just becomes 'relics'.

And the Carcharadons seem to have a lot of the 'older' marks of stuff, so that's likely why we've been seeing a lot of this.

ArbeitsSchu wrote:The "pimples", if I recall correctly, are because the armour of the period was made from a more crappy material.

Makes sense, they look crappy to me

The fluff for the studs makes sense (as much as anything else in the grimdark future) but they still look goofy to me. I'll take MK II&III over any of the later Mks any day of the week. (if i had loads of disposable cash laying around of course)

But I also agree the poses for the regular Mk II & III armors as well as the Mk II assault troops is too static.

Mark 5 armour: A stop-gap design created when the Horus Heresy interrupted the issue of Mark 4 armour. The studs are an attempt to reinforce Mk4 pattern plates when inferior materials were used due to lack of proper supplies. An extra skin plate was fitted around the armour using molecular bonding studs.

This carries over onto the Mk6 right shoulder pad, the principle being that it is this side of the marine that will face towards the enemy when firing. Basically, its an economy measure so the left side can be weakened.

from WD129: Space Marine Armour described by Rick Priestly.

Told you it was something like that. And yes, I guessed the correct WD within one issue (for Mr Spiggot.)

SickSix wrote:The fluff for the studs makes sense (as much as anything else in the grimdark future) but they still look goofy to me. I'll take MK II&III over any of the later Mks any day of the week. (if i had loads of disposable cash laying around of course)

But I also agree the poses for the regular Mk II & III armors as well as the Mk II assault troops is too static.

I disagree - I think they look fine, and carry a nice sense of weight and menace.

And dynamic poses oftentimes don't look right either. See: Khorne Berzerkers. Arms and legs akimbo, oh my!

Also, a proper set of MKVIII suits would be a thing of beauty...

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Why the Heresy period armour? The Badab war happened (will happen) in M39.41

Or has the fluff been changed?

Most likely just because they felt it would be cool and maybe one or more of the chapters featured will have a paragraph in their write-up that mentions they have a lot of older equipment they keep using for whatever reason.

Older equipment doesn't really get 'phased out' of the Astartes unless it's completely useless. It just becomes 'relics'.

And the Carcharadons seem to have a lot of the 'older' marks of stuff, so that's likely why we've been seeing a lot of this.

The exception is MkI Thunder Armour, which was worn by the proto-marines and as such, was never used again and phased out completely by mandate of the emperor, back when his symbol was the thunderbolt, not the aquila. Each set of Thunder Armour is specifically tailored to each proto-marine and as such would need to be altered (on the extremely rare occasion one is found) to fit any current SM.

I would kill for Forgeworld to put out Thunder Armour, would make a fantastic centrepiece for any SM army for a standard bearer or a company champion.

though I really want to see MkIII assault marines to finish off my Iron Warrior force, bunch of Iron Warrior Raptor with meltas to go with my Chaos Lord with Jump Pack.

The studs on Heresy armour are adamantine studs which hold multiple layers of poor-quality ceramite and other materials together for mass production rather than quality as during the Horus Heresy supply lines were cut by the traitor legions and the AdMech were forced to do without higher-quality materials. So therefore if you want to jumpstart a chapter, the most logical response is to throw heresy armour at them to get them armoured and armed as quickly as possible (such as the Carcharadons). Oh, and because the armour looks boss.

Those are AWESOME!

Ach, now I want some and I absolutely do not need them.

I like this, particularly the Mk V suits as the Mk V is one of my favorite marks of power armor. I'd love to get some of the Mk V suits for my Night Lords, and even though I'd rather the Jump-Packs look like the ones the Raptors use I have to say the FW version of the Backpack jet engines are my favorite.

+1 to MkVIII's.. proper MKVIII's with sheathed wrists and ball joint ankles ans oblong ears though!

Ehsteve wrote:
The exception is MkI Thunder Armour, which was worn by the proto-marines and as such, was never used again and phased out completely by mandate of the emperor, back when his symbol was the thunderbolt, not the aquila. Each set of Thunder Armour is specifically tailored to each proto-marine and as such would need to be altered (on the extremely rare occasion one is found) to fit any current SM.

Realistically, barring uber-tech almost any hard armor with full coverage like Space marine armor is going to need some sort of customization for different owners, and I think there's some references to it being done with modern Space Marine armor in 40k lore. Joints need to be at just the right spot, especially if you want it to be wearable for days as SM seem to do. A friend has a set of old medieval-style plate that he can wear for a couple hours, if he's lucky, before it cripples him... and he had it modified a bit to fit him better. Admittedly, he wears it in the heat and sun at the local Renn Fest.

George Spiggott wrote:Why the Heresy period armour? The Badab war happened (will happen) in M39.41

Or has the fluff been changed?

True, but the named Venerable Salamander Dreadnought in the Badab Book was made by Vulcan centuries before the Badab War.

Also, is that really heresy era Dreadnought armor?

Or are you talking about the jump troops?

Kroothawk wrote:

My Salamander playing buddy is REALLY going to like this Dreadnought. He's hooked on the Badab war fluff.

ARGH!!! Can't see the pics of the dreadnought at work.