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seapheonix wrote:It also says though that if you have two weapons that are special, you cannot use both in close combat. You must chose one. Well if you state that your model has brass knuckles, and paint them on, then in choosing which weapon to use you could just punch the demon. Yay? Nay?

Nope, because as Brass Knuckles lack special rules, they would simply be a CCW(actually, they would be a non-entity) and therefore would not count towards that rule.

cgmckenzie wrote:

cyberscape7 wrote:I can see the fluffy headline now:
"Robute Guillman punches Khorne in the balls!!!"

'Gauntlets of Ultramar will never be clean again' claims Guilliman

-cgmckenzie

Khorne, as usual, refused comment. Sicarus dodged cleaning duty and passed it onto Uriel, Alpha Legion suspected for this switch.

DR - again, in your opinion. And that overly restrictive, en tirely non-rules based opinion has been given as one option already in this thread.

DeathReaper wrote:

Sam__theRelentless wrote:

Tri wrote:

insaniak wrote:Yeah, I'm a little unclear on just what Sliggoth was trying to say. All attacks are made with the same weapon.

Special attacks as in Servo-Arm, Nest of vipers, or Talassarian Tempest Blade ...

Talassarian Tempest Blade: This is a power weapon. If Sicarius wishes, he can attempt a single 'coup de grace' attack in lieu of his normal close combat attacks. If the coup de grace hits, it is resolved at str6 and causes instant death, regardless of the wounded models toughness.

... which is a good example since his normal attacks with a power weapon are replaced with a single special attack (without the words 'If he wishes' he would be forced to always make this attack)

No. Power weapon attacks are also special attacks. Sicarius can use either his special attack with a power weapon or his special coupe de grace attack. He cannot make a non-power-weapon attack at all.

No, Attacks with a power weapon are normal attacks with a Special Weapon.

Stuff like the "Talassarian Tempest Blade" and "Whirlwind of gore (Grom Gabriel Seth)" have a rule where they can use a special attack, which replace the normal attack sequence.

Sorry, it wasn't entirely clear. The point is you cannot forgo your power weapon attack, ie switch it off.

There is a difference in the rules between special attacks and special weapons. Special weapons have a variety of rules aswsociated with them, particularly limits on using two different special weapons.

Special attacks are a much much rarer beast in 40k, and there is ,aimly the one rule on pg 35 about them. A model has to take their special attack, they cannot pass on it even tho they might wish to not use it because of the tactical situation.



The rule on pg 25 however does NOT address special weapons, thats the part that seems to confure some people.






Sliggoth

There is no rule ever defining a special attack. This makes any attack not following all normal rules for attacks or attacks with an additional effect special. Note that attacks similar to servo arms or Yarrik's eye are never called "special attack" in any codex, neither are any special rules that allow a character to use a special technique to attack.

But there is nothing saying they are "normal" cc attacks either. Seeing as they deviate from "standard" cc attacks, ie normal initiative, normal strength, allow power/inv saves, etc. I believe it would be right to assume these are so-called "special attacks".

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