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Plain and simple, it's a jerkarse thing to do, not against the rules but certainly unsportsmanly. Conversely you glue the doors shut and I'm sorry where's your stormbolter/deathwind laucher again? Oh thats right it's inside with no line of sight and now useless. Personally I've never had an issue with someone glueing their doors shut, I mean how limited is your POV that you NEED to shoot through the miniscule hole in a drop pod to hit something. Just find a laser pointer barely touch the corner of what ever you're trying to hit and bam! Sure they get a 4+ cover save, but they would've gotten that anyways since you're trying to keyhole them through a pod.

   
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Another simple solution is to have one drop pod without doors to use as a LOS checker. If you're running a bunch of pods, you might not want to paint all the interiors, but having one that you can use to see on TLOS would answer the questions.

That said, I've never really had a problem. The whole "modelling for advantage" argument has it's moments (crawling wraithlords seems abusive), but most of the time the actual intersection of rules and models is pretty arbitrary. I mean, did GW really desgin the Valkyrie to prevent it from moving on from reserve without moving over 6"? Did GW design the drop pod (in 3rd edition, btw), knowing that TLOS was coming?

No, of course not. None of the rules are really balanced with stuff like that in mind. So, as long as the play is consistent, it's really about as fair either way. Yes, a savvy pod player can use LOS blocking pods to his advantage, but how is that any different from using anything else to an advantage?

   
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carabine wrote:Plain and simple, it's a jerkarse thing to do, not against the rules but certainly unsportsmanly. Conversely you glue the doors shut and I'm sorry where's your stormbolter/deathwind laucher again? Oh thats right it's inside with no line of sight and now useless. Personally I've never had an issue with someone glueing their doors shut, I mean how limited is your POV that you NEED to shoot through the miniscule hole in a drop pod to hit something. Just find a laser pointer barely touch the corner of what ever you're trying to hit and bam! Sure they get a 4+ cover save, but they would've gotten that anyways since you're trying to keyhole them through a pod.

So it's unsportsmenlike jerkery even though it doesn't matter? Try making more sense in the future.

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This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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screw it. If you look at a drop pod, with the doors open and the full insides placed properly it actually blocks LOS to anything short of a landraider. Why do people have such a problem with them blocking the extra additional LOS?

Frankly, drop pods cause far more problems with the doors open than if you glue them shut.

Glued shut: easy to place, transport, understand. Stormbolter can't fire, you might get a complaint from someone that hasn't seen the inside about you blocking line of sight you would have been anyway.

Openable: really difficult to place, have to move opponents models out of the way or don't open the doors anyway leading to exactly the same problem as if you'd glued them shut. secondly, possible huge movement abuses with their 10" footprint. Fish of fury eat your heart out.

everyone claiming that people do it to break the game really need to relax and try and put a drop pod model together themselves, then paint it, including the inside! then have a look at the insides of it and measure exactly how much LOS it would block with the doors open.
   
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I've put together 6 and can shine a lazer point through it to shoot at units and be shot. My doors articulate open and close. We both get cover saves but at least I can dump some shots into the unit compared to not at all.

Our gaming group plays with a lot buildings so when the pod drops next to these buildings you can actually hide a ten man tac squad behind the building and a closed door drop pod. If the doors open troops can target the unit while standing on a three inch elevation.

It doesn't matter though as apparently the doors opening is fluffy no rules to state they must be opened. I wish the modeled had never been released.

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If you think the Drop Pod is bad, what about the Mycetic Spore model?

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No model so no deploy! Seems consistent with how GW rules on Tyranids....

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Here is what I have done with my drop pods. I originally had the doors open and close but the swivels broke and I did not want to have the insides painted. I glued them shut.

I always tell my opponents that you can shoot through the drop pod at my grey hunters but it will be a +4 cover save. The same thing for me shooting at my opponent's stuff I will grant them a cover save if I shoot through the drop pod.

Its not following the TLOS rules but most of the time my opponents agree with what I offer. Sometimes you have to use abstractions and I will give my opponent the choice.

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So, guess what. If glue the doors shut, and you can't see through it, then you can't fire the pods weapon.

Also, I believe the INAT FAQ officially declares tht there to be treated as if the doors were down, at all times.

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Sir_Prometheus wrote:So, guess what. If glue the doors shut, and you can't see through it, then you can't fire the pods weapon.

Yes, that's been pointed out a number of times already.


Also, I believe the INAT FAQ officially declares tht there to be treated as if the doors were down, at all times.

Which is relevant if and when you are playing somewhere that has the INAT in use.

 
   
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I know that it may not seem right, but the doors in most of our games are left up for simplicity sake, allowing the cover saves. I'm honestly indifferent towards considering it "modeling for advantage". Again, I play a large amount of friendly games, yet they are higher level rules enforcement friendly games.

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