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KingCracker wrote:Troy, your missing the point. Its the magic of fictional books/movies. How does Superman fly? Why has no batman villain just shot him with a .50cal barret? Why are vampires, the way they are? How does the positrack in a Plymouth work? Because Troy. Because

My point directly impacts the thread. What do you do? Well if I'm me it won't be a problem for long because the zombies are going to fall apart extremely quickly or the military/national guard will deal with them easily. As we saw in the last ferw minutes of Night of the Living Dead, do your part and the authorities will clean it up without difficulty.

OT but I'm not getting the World War Z vibe where Cold War weapons wouldn't be effective. The Warsaw Pact and the US militaries are extremely proficient at killing their fellow man. Outside and AAA/SAM systems nothing is ineffective against the zombie menace. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.

Troy wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Troy, your missing the point. Its the magic of fictional books/movies. How does Superman fly? Why has no batman villain just shot him with a .50cal barret? Why are vampires, the way they are? How does the positrack in a Plymouth work? Because Troy. Because

My point directly impacts the thread. What do you do? Well if I'm me it won't be a problem for long because the zombies are going to fall apart extremely quickly or the military/national guard will deal with them easily. As we saw in the last ferw minutes of Night of the Living Dead, do your part and the authorities will clean it up without difficulty.

OT but I'm not getting the World War Z vibe where Cold War weapons wouldn't be effective. The Warsaw Pact and the US militaries are extremely proficient at killing their fellow man. Outside and AAA/SAM systems nothing is ineffective against the zombie menace. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.

You haven't dawn of the dead have you?

The effective cleanup turns out to be not so effective...

Troy wrote:. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.

They dropped gas on refugees to kill them all so that they'd know for sure who was infected.

Not a bad idea, really. Though it wasn't very nice. Of course, this was in Russia and they don't have a very nice track record when it comes to this sort of thing in the context of national security.

"The one with the rifle shoots; the one with the bullets follows him..."

Sigh...

Troy. the WWZ Zs are technically shells. the Solanum is it's own viral organism. you cannot kill viruses with nerve gas.

Isn't this pointless, considering 99.9% of us would be zombies?


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In which case I'd eat my fellow zombies and take all of the food for myself.

ineptus astartes wrote:Sigh...

Troy. the WWZ Zs are technically shells. the Solanum is it's own viral organism. you cannot kill viruses with nerve gas.

Sigh right back at you.

Per Wiki Soalum attacks the brain. The brain is nothing but meat if the nerves powering the rest of the body are destroyed. If you can't move your muscles you can't pump blood, you can't respirate, you're entire body dies.

Alternatively, mustard gas works well if the entire nervous system is somehow mutated. Cut off the lungs and again, the body dies.

I'd agree, initially there would be abit of panic but everything could be put in control quickly, especially if the local citizenry is conscripted into the guard immediately in the form of large posses. Shambling zombies are much less of a threat than a strong airborn flu virus, else we'd all have been overcome by rabies at the dawn of time.

Now I am not arguing it might not be a nice book to read (and the discussion has peaked my interest) and the thread is fine, I'm just stating that the threat would be extremely temporary, and much less of an issue that ELE virus or something.

Zombies do not register each other, they just look fr the nearest thing. find it. moan. and go after it.

one of them spent five days digging in a sand dune for a mole.

Now here's an interesting side bar. If Solanum impacts the dead, and vampires are dead, would vampires become zombies? If no what if a vampire bites a zombie? Would they become a vampire?

no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

ineptus astartes wrote:no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

So how does it move exactly?

Troy wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

So how does it move exactly?

MAGIC AND WIZARDRY!

purplefood wrote:

Troy wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

So how does it move exactly?

MAGIC AND WIZARDRY!

and cheese? One cannot forget the power of cheese.

Zombies, and I hate to say this to spoil things for folks, don't exist in the real world.

Traditionally afaik it is necromancy wot makes em shuffle along, as purplefood says.
Where a morer science based explaination such as a virus is concerned, who knows.
Maybe it is the brown windsor gloop created by the virus that animates the dead.

I would explain to the shambling zombie horde that their existence is biologically impossible, and then laugh in amusements as they began decomposing at an accelerated rate to catch up with reality. Done.

And for those of you who seem to think that Mr. Brooks "Zombie Survival Guide" would actually be useful in the event that Zombies of any form WERE real: Please get a clue.

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Zombies, and I hate to say this to spoil things for folks, don't exist in the real world.

Traditionally afaik it is necromancy wot makes em shuffle along, as purplefood says.
Where a morer science based explaination such as a virus is concerned, who knows.
Maybe it is the brown windsor gloop created by the virus that animates the dead.

1. No Sherlock. Here's your sign.
2. I'm positing this as a time and force constraint. In a more real context it wouldn't get to stage 4, so your response to the discussion would be how do you react to a temporary situation.

Troy wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Troy wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

So how does it move exactly?

MAGIC AND WIZARDRY!

and cheese? One cannot forget the power of cheese.

I think you'll find that a solid piece of stilton won't stand up to an angry Gandalf no matter how much you want it to.

purplefood wrote:

Troy wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Troy wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:no. the bloodstream is filled with a brown goop. no heartbeat.

and zombie flesh is incredibly toxic.

So how does it move exactly?

MAGIC AND WIZARDRY!

and cheese? One cannot forget the power of cheese.

I think you'll find that a solid piece of stilton won't stand up to an angry Gandalf no matter how much you want it to.

Unfortunately if you eat enough cheese even Gandalf will be saying:

1. No Sherlock. Here's your sign.
2. I'm positing this as a time and force constraint. In a more real context it wouldn't get to stage 4, so your response to the discussion would be how do you react to a temporary situation.

1. Sign? I see no shoe
2. What the heck are you blathering about?

yeah, for all the science that went into his books. Max brooks is a career comedian. if solanum was a virus, it would be causing the plague through ketchup and baked potatoes.

being the plant family name.

@ Troy....

Don't know if you've read the books, if you have not ,the answers and explanations for all the points you've brought up are addressed within them.

I'm confused.

Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?

I'd wait for them all to fall apart, then go out and create a perspective picture on the sides of buildings - will be a fun way to spend a few years

He would fit in with that crowd that argues rules with fluff.


Directed to MR there

Monster Rain wrote:I'm confused.

Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?

No
1. Troy is killing time until quitting time.
2. Troy is saying zombies aren't going to be around for long so preparations should only be short. Ok I'm also saying much of that World War Z sounds like utter nonsense that doesn't work.

Monster Rain wrote:I'm confused.

Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?

Sort of makes your brain ache doesn't it....

Brooks, in his works of FICTION...establishes why his zombies don't just "rot away" in days...and why many conventional weapons don't affect them...
These are the guide lines for why his zombies " work" in his FICTIONAL world...

...But you know...there always has to be those few who point out the inaccuracies between fiction and reality....
BTW ...were you aware that giant robots have yet to slug it out in a major metropolitian area...yup..true story.

Oh and Godzilla.....yea hes not that tall.

FITZZ wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I'm confused.

Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?

Sort of makes your brain ache doesn't it....

Brooks, in his works of FICTION...establishes why his zombies don't just "rot away" in days...and why many conventional weapons don't affect them...
These are the guide lines for why his zombies " work" in his FICTIONAL world...

...But you know...there always has to be those few who point out the inaccuracies between fiction and reality....
BTW ...were you aware that giant robots have yet to slug it out in a major metropolitian area...yup..true story.

The OP wasn't confined to World War Z so your statement doesn't apply. Sorry, I'll leave so you three who read the book can discuss it in detail.

But the title.....it says World War Z. Im not misreading that am I?

SilverMK2 wrote:I'd wait for them all to fall apart, then go out and create a perspective picture on the sides of buildings - will be a fun way to spend a few years

You mean that you would make a mural out of Muriel?
or a vignette out of Vinette?
or a collage out of Colette?

This could be the start of my career as a writer with a debut serial killer thriller!


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or a trompe l'ouiel out of Troy *evil laugh*

(I know I know, dismembering fellow Dakkanauts breaches rule#1, even if it is in the name of art)

I used to write a blog where I was a serial killer. It was fun.