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Happygrunt wrote:

Melissia wrote:He's not immune, he's resistant.... there's a distinct difference.

Spoiler:

He seemed to rip the planet cracking artifact in half and be just fine.

Jwalker52 wrote:I just have to clear something up there is no way Nemeroth is a BT he is a phsycher a phsycher!!!!!!! Other than that this does just seem to be a big set up for a sequel.

He's probably a former Iron Warrior. He looks to be infected with the Obliterator Virus, at least.

gabrielhorus wrote:Here is a question:
Titus spoke to the Blood Raven as if he saw the Aurailien crusade, despite the fact that there were only three groups of marines present: Grey knights (exterminatus fleet), Blood Ravens, And Black Legion. How did Titus witness the Blood Ravens Holy Fury?

Aurelian crusade was original battle against Tyranids. And it was 1 year from Chaos Rising. Logical conclusion would be that those Blood Ravens are from that period ( between original DoW and CR ). Since "Space Marine" is in the past to and Retribution is in the last years of 41'st millennium ( probably ).

I was mostly bothered by how Titus just meekly left with the Green Inquisitor, no awesome "I should crush you, but for the love of the Emperor I will spare your impudence and prove my purity. But later, I'm going to rip your arms off like Chewbaca"

And, on a related note, don't you think the good Captain touching worry for the IG's fate in the end could be a little silly? Come on, they have witnessed Chaos descending on a world, been in contact with demons and powerful rogue psykers, corrupting chaos artifacts and the like.
I know they are Cadians and shoud be hardened against that kind of things, but you have an Inquisitor on the same planet, who hasn't waited a single second to arrest an Ultramarine Captain for the mere suspect of some kind of corruption (the only proof being the word of a Battle Brother freshly out of scout company that he somehow seemed a little resistant to warp powers, once again only inferred from the words of a possessed Inquisitor and a CSM. Tenous at least, I'd say...).
I think 2nd Lieutenant-acting commander Mira and her few surviving men are going to have a little 'incident' on their way back to Cadia or to be shipped to some suicide mission soon... (but maybe Titus doesn't know that)

LastCameTheRaven wrote:And, on a related note, don't you think the good Captain touching worry for the IG's fate in the end could be a little silly? Come on, they have witnessed Chaos descending on a world, been in contact with demons and powerful rogue psykers, corrupting chaos artifacts and the like.
I know they are Cadians and should be hardened against that kind of things, but you have an Inquisitor on the same planet, who hasn't waited a single second to arrest an Ultramarine Captain for the mere suspect of some kind of corruption (the only proof being the word of a Battle Brother freshly out of scout company that he somehow seemed a little resistant to warp powers, once again only inferred from the words of a possessed Inquisitor and a CSM. Tenous at least, I'd say...).
I think 2nd Lieutenant-acting commander Mira and her few surviving men are going to have a little 'incident' on their way back to Cadia or to be shipped to some suicide mission soon... (but maybe Titus doesn't know that)

Three points:
1) They are Cadians. That really does count for a lot. The reputation of the Cadian Shock is impeccable to a degree that you cannot imagine.
They're one of the only Regiments which do not regularly field Commissars, and they have an allowance for their regiments that their officers(from NCOs to the Lord Castellans like Creed) are trained by the Commissariat/Schola Progenium in the handling of sanctioned psykers. That effectively means "they know the signs" of Warp corruption.
2) There were 200 Cadians left planetside at your first face to face contact with Lieutenant Mira. Assuming they maintained a zero loss ratio against the Orks they were still fighting when Chaos got involved...that still leaves a chance for an almost total destruction of the Company. That Company was, for all intents and purposes, no longer existent. More likely than not, that Inquisitor would have them tested for corruption and then find a use for them.
3) The Ultramarines have a fairly close bond with Cadia, despite the vast distance between the two. Look up the "Ultramarine Honor Guard" for Cadia. Almost every single one of the Ultramarine Successor Chapters, and the Ultras themselves, supply troops to Cadia as a defense force permanently stationed at Cadia proper. If Titus were to bring this up and make a case for it--you might see a repeat of the First Armageddon War, where Logan Grimnar publicly voiced dissent against the Inquisition for killing Guard Regiments and PDF/civilians who'd simply been planetside when Angron's forces broke out. Many of them had no actual contact with daemonic forces.

gabrielhorus wrote:

But there were no Ultramarines present. How could Titus have known?

Battle repport?

Saw it on the news?

It's a Crusade... I would imagine it leaves a lot of paper work behind. Titus is the Captain of one of the most prestigious and well connected Chapter in the Imperium... him having access to information about different theater of war isn't exactly a stretch.

Tarkand wrote:

gabrielhorus wrote:

But there were no Ultramarines present. How could Titus have known?

Battle repport?

Saw it on the news?

It's a Crusade... I would imagine it leaves a lot of paper work behind. Titus is the Captain of one of the most prestigious and well connected Chapter in the Imperium... him having access to information about different theater of war isn't exactly a stretch.

+1 agree with this. Space Marines (as a general rule) put alot on honour and accolades earnt from successful crusades and wars. The Blood Ravens succeeded in their Aurelian Crusade (after a fashion...), so you'd think others would be hearing about at one point or another.

Also, the NONE SHALL FIND US WANTING thing, didnt realise it was the new battle-cry of the Blood Ravens but it makes sense. It's also damn cool.

I guess in the add-on titus will be a black-shield DW SM .. because damnit, i can't make anything else in the customizer for multiplayer either xD (maybe im just blind or something, but i just can't get the chapter symbol on the right shoulderpad xD)

Catyrpelius wrote:The biggest question here should really be why the original invasion force is only compriesed of a Captain, a Sergant and a Red Shirt.

Because it isn't.

There was at least one squad on the ground other than Titus and his honor guard. Probably more than one, lead by other force commanders on other parts of the globe who simply didn't have the vox range to get to Titus.

Catyrpelius wrote:The biggest question here should really be why the original invasion force is only compriesed of a Captain, a Sergant and a Red Shirt. And why that same Captain begins the fight with only a combat knife and a bolt pistol.

They're actually pretty clear about this: First of all, the initial strike force was sent in to secure the Titan while waiting for the rest of the Liberation Fleet to arrive, so there wasn't much more than a few squads of Ultramarines going in anyway. Titus' T-Hawk took a hit coming in, and they had to jump for it. Titus wound up separated from the rest of the company, and by the time they can set up a rendezvous, he's got bigger problems. There's a scene later on where Titus gets on the vox with his men and tells them to secure his current location, because he's heading out to go help Drogan do something else.

As for his gear, I assume he lost most of it during the jump somehow.

Happygrunt wrote:I am willing to bet that Titus joins the ranks of some shiny silver-grey knights in the second game.

Not if the Inquisitor's nickname is... Alpharius!

Dun dun dun!

Actually, I think something like that might make the start for a good sequel. Onboard the Inquisitor's ship, Titus discovers incontrovertible proof that the Inquisitor is working for the other side, and Titus is forced to try and escape.

Oh, why shouldn't they? An Inquisitor with the backup of his conclave/ enough political clout can, especialy if he has any proof for his accusations, act against pretty much anyone and expect to come out on top.

Kind of like how a Space Marine chapter can have a "gunnery accident" while an Inquisitor is passing by in his spaceship. But don't worry - the serf who failed to mention that a ship was passing by just as the marine battle barge began its port side gunnery drill was severly punished. *cough* The fact of the matter is that both sides are quite powerful. The Inquisition is nominally at the top of the food chain, but any space marine chapter that's been around for a while has built up a powerful network of individuals and groups (including other powerful inquisitors) who owe favors. And the Space Marines have really big guns.

And "accidents" do happen.


In short, while there are plenty of legitimate reasons to investigate a Space Marine chapter, any Inquisitor that does so needs to be *extremely* careful about it.

Brother Coa wrote:

Alkasyn wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Melissia wrote:Indeed, it definitely is likely to be after retribution.

Why would you say that?
It is more logical for those marines to be in timeline between original DoW and "Chaos Rising".
( Because Retribution surely take place at the ending years of 41'st millennium and we all know that Titus was captain before all that ).

As mentioned, the battle-Cry of the Blood Ravens present indicates the game takes place after DoW 2 : Retribution.

I didn't heard any battlecry...

Not the most obvious battlecry. At the end of the conversation between Titus and the Blood Raven, the Blood Raven shouts (sorta) "None shall find us wanting".

Don't forget that there's an insane number of subdivisions within the Inquisition. A Puritan from Ordo Hereticus would be tough to explain, but Radical wouldn't be that big a deal.

Remember, Inquisitors are some of the only people in 40k who are actually allowed to think and come to their own decisions. This guy could easily be a Ordo Xenos radical who is best buds with the BT, and just looking to score political points within the Inquisition by maybe nailing a corrupted SM.

Who thinks that the ending might indicate he actually fell?

I think his plot armor might be failing, after all... Fallen vanilla marine = fun sequel...

kleiker79 wrote:I'd like to preface this post by saying that I've been reading this forum for about a month now after randomly finding it. I came into 40k probably a great deal differently than most of you, I started playing the original DoW when it first came out and enjoyed it immensely and picked up every game that came out including the dubious Soulstorm. While waiting for DoW2 I found myself reading the Wikia a great deal and I started buying codices just to read them. After buying about a dozen of them over the last several years I recently talked several of my friends into starting to play the tabletop and just ordered my first pieces a few days ago. I feel like I'm going into 40k almost backwards but I'm loving every minute of it thus far. Thanks to this forum for discussing several topics that I've enjoyed reading a great deal.

Spoiler:

Anyhow my question was, did anyone else find it odd that the Inquisition was accompanied by several Black Templars? I was moderately surprised to see that they'd be working with them, freely from what I could ascertain. I know the Inquisition has quite the interest in the BT, but to see them working together surprised me. Thanks in advance and I apologize if this is an obvious answer, I'm sure I'll be asking more questions of questionable quality the deeper into the 40k universe I get.

I came to know warhammer in a similar fashion, but as for your question, I believe that if an inquisitor asks for a few guards or asks anything for that matter you pretty much supposed to do it space marine or not, though some would grumble about it more than others.

First post in the forum.

LastCameTheRaven wrote:
I know they are Cadians and shoud be hardened against that kind of things, but you have an Inquisitor on the same planet, who hasn't waited a single second to arrest an Ultramarine Captain for the mere suspect of some kind of corruption (the only proof being the word of a Battle Brother freshly out of scout company that he somehow seemed a little resistant to warp powers, once again only inferred from the words of a possessed Inquisitor and a CSM. Tenous at least, I'd say...).

I would assume a chaos charge to be always taken seriously. Also one of the first things the Thrax remarks is that Titus appears to have chaos-inflicted wounds. In addition Titus did not deny he reacted unusually to the warp. Also Thrax has no reason to doubt Leandros. If Leandros is wrong then no harm is done, if Leandros is right then the Ultramarines honor is safe.

If Titus is innocent he'll be released and back to active duty in no time flat. If he's guilty he'll be executed or converted to a covert asset and the Ultramarines will retain their honor. The chapter had literally nothing to lose by compliance. Titus seemed to be okay with the investigation as well, so if he is tainted then it's most likely not an active, conscious thing, which opens the door to service in the Deathwatch in the sequels.

SOFDC wrote:
Leandros will be a bathroom scrubbing servitor shortly after his return to Macragge when Calgar finds out how Leandros decided to turn Titus over to the big I rather than, you know, the Chaplaincy/Librarius.

As a response to this I will simply quote another 40k fan who has commented on the subject:

Had Calgar been at Graia, he would probably have committed Titus to the Inquisition himself. That is, after all, what the Codex supposedly demands. And upon Leandros' return to Macragge, Calgar would probably have commended him for not letting himself be intimidated by rank and even go against any feelings of loyalty to adhere to the necessary protocols in case of suspected taint.

After all, Leandros is established early in as a character who adheres to the Codex strictly. If the Codex apparently demands that Titus he turned in then he is simply acting according to the Codex’s wisdom. As any good Ultramarine follows the Codex strictly, there is nothing wrong at all from Leandros’s actions from the standpoint of a ‘’good Ultramarine’’.

If he ignored the Codex then he would be remiss in his duties.

From a practical standpoint, from Leandros’s point of view, his decision was quite correct. His Captain has been repeatedly exposed to warp energy and showed an unusual and unnatural resistance. I can reasonably conclude it would be a bad idea to have a potentially Chaos-tainted Captain leading your battle company. Considering we had an example of a Space Marine Captain being possessed in the Ultramarines movie, Leandros’s caution is to me completely justified.

If there had been Librarians on Graia then I would assume Leandros would have turned Titus into them. However we have no indication at all that Librarians were present. Contacting the Librarians I would assume would take some time and as we have no knowledge of the distance between Graia and Macragge, leaving potentially weeks, if not months for any positional taint to fester.

A Chaplain is not a psyker, he would be able to test Leandros on matters of faith and reassure him on matters of morale, but if the Chaos corruption is rotted in Titus’s unconscious a Chaplain, being unable to perform a psychic scan, would be unable to detect said taint.

Leandros’s only mistake, was evidently not contacting the Librarius on Macragge, but as it stands his decision to commit Titus to the Inquisition is the correct one. If I had been in his shoes I would have done the same thing.

SOFDC wrote:
Inquisitors can get away with this battlebrother here and there, but yanking a full Captain...from a first founding chapter...one with the thickest plot armor in the history of anything...on the word of a disgruntled underling? You could make this fly if, for example, Titus grew a third nipple on his forehead abruptly and then started screaming about the False Emperor or something but there wasn't. There's going to be hell to pay for someone, and I don't think it will be the Ultras.[/spoiler]

The Inquisition is well within their boundaries to investigate a chapter, even a First Founding one. The Ultramarines will have greater protection from most, but if the Inquisition has good and solid cause to suspect Chaos corruption then they will investigate. They have investigated and condemned entire chapters before.