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2011/11/01 12:34:07
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Dude, I think the police would disagree with you...
Dude bring it into a court and see how fast it gets thrown out, dude.
Considering how many police stations ask for tips, and provide for the option of tips being anonymous, really don't think you logic necessarily applies.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/11/01 12:40:26
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Dude, I think the police would disagree with you...
Dude bring it into a court and see how fast it gets thrown out, dude.
Considering how many police stations ask for tips, and provide for the option of tips being anonymous, really don't think you logic necessarily applies.
It only matters in Stalinist Russia. Tips are just tips. Again it means nothing. I received a tip you like Mauleed. Must be true. Have you secretly been hanging out with the former grandpoobah badass of Dakka? What were you two doing last Friday? The tip said it was bad.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/11/01 12:54:16
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
I received a tip that your love for weiner dogs is actually a disguise for your love of rottweilers.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/11/01 12:58:54
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Melissia wrote:I received a tip that your love for weiner dogs is actually a disguise for your love of rottweilers.
Well Rottweilers are really just oversized wiener dogs...wait Heretic! Your seductive lies have no place here. Begone!
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/11/01 13:34:51
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Dude, I think the police would disagree with you...
Dude bring it into a court and see how fast it gets thrown out, dude.
Dude, anonymous tips are used for enforcement, not case building dude. Dude, they place people in locations with dates and can aid in an investigation which unearths actual evidence dude. Dude, they narrow down lists of suspects and make the job of criminal investigation often times much easier dude. Dude, like, did you know dude! Arrest warrants are aided by tips all the time dude!
DUDE!
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2011/11/01 13:39:46
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:Remember what NPR told us back in the day. What matters is not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge.
I'm not familiar with this phrase, and google was little help. But I don't put much weight in anonymous sources. The real story, in my mind, was Cain's instinctive lie: that nothing of the sort had ever happened, knowing full well it had. It shows the manner in which he handles a crisis: untruth, followed by walking back the lie when it becomes unsustainable. A little insight into his character, or lack thereof.
biccat wrote:If this story had some grain of truth then it would be worth discussing. But it doesn't.
Manufactured outrage at its best. Or maybe "a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves."
My first inclination was to produce a lengthy list of white politicians who have run into similar trouble and garnered similar media attention for it. The media attention has significantly less do do with the color of his skin then it does with the way the titillating nature of the subject matter resonates with cable audiences.
But, since this seems to be a morning of historical quotes, I'll paraphrase instead: "To be accused by one woman of sexual harassment may be regarded as a misfortune, to be accused by another looks like carelessness".
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2011/11/01 13:45:37
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Ouze wrote:I'm not familiar with this phrase, and google was little help.
It was a phrase used by the illustrious Nina Totenberg to advance the story (which we now know to be complete fabrication) of Anita Hill during the Clarance Thomas hearings. Sure the evidence was bad, but the seriousness of the charge demanded an investigation.
Ouze wrote:The real story, in my mind, was Cain's instinctive lie: that nothing of the sort had ever happened, knowing full well it had. It shows the manner in which he handles a crisis: untruth, followed by walking back the lie when it becomes unsustainable. A little insight into his character, or lack thereof.
And I think this is sloppy journalism. Reporting a manufactured story to create insight into someones character, whether deserved or not, is at best dishonest.
edit: And I'm not sure what the untruth was. He said he didn't sexually harass anyone (which appears to be true). He also said he didn't know anything about the settlement, which also appears to be true.
Ouze wrote:My first inclination was to produce a lengthy list of white politicians who have run into similar trouble and garnered similar media attention for it. The media attention has significantly less do do with the color of his skin then it does with the way the titillating nature of the subject matter resonates with cable audiences.
Rarely, however, will you see similar media attention for such poorly sourced allegations.
I think that the color of his skin is only partially relevant here, the primary incentive for publishing this story is because Mr. Cain is a Republican.
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2011/11/01 13:50:14
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
You see it all the time with presidential hopefuls...
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog
2011/11/01 14:37:07
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
AustonT wrote:Well that's what the left says, how about the unabashed far right.
Damn you Herman Cain for your "inappropriate gestures that were not overtly sexual"
Time will tell if this sticks to Cain.
Let's take the opinion of someone who said it is a pipe dream to make it illegal for women to vote, seriously.
Yup, a woman said it.
First of all I believe in ending women's suffrage. Women are suffering all over the world. Are you ok with that? A clip board and a tee shirt and I bet you could get hundreds of women to sign that petition at college campuses.
I wouldn't be suprised if Ann Coulter said the moon was made of green cheese, so long as it's republican cheese.
Chowderhead wrote:Who would win in a conspiracy theory fight: Ann Coulter or Rachel Maddow?
Discuss.
who cares put em in jello and see if Maddow can turn Coulter to the dark side. They both spout bogus nonsense, at least coulter doesn't pretend like she's a real or impartial journalist.
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/11/01 14:38:09
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
who cares put em in jello and see if Maddow can turn Coulter to the dark side. They both spout bogus nonsense, at least coulter doesn't pretend like she's a real or impartial journalist.
Yes. She does.
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2011/11/01 14:44:45
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
As per her biographical from Hannity, TMZ, Liberty Speaks, Business Insider, Wikipedia, etc.
Coulter has described herself as a polemicist who likes to "stir up the pot" and, unlike "broadcasters," does not "pretend to be impartial or balanced."
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/11/01 14:49:43
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
AustonT wrote:As per her biographical from Hannity, TMZ, Liberty Speaks, Business Insider, Wikipedia, etc.
Coulter has described herself as a polemicist who likes to "stir up the pot" and, unlike "broadcasters," does not "pretend to be impartial or balanced."
Yes, and like everything else she says that's a lie meant to pander to the 'grass roots'. She acts like someone pretending to be impartial in a system that is liberal biased. I don't give a flying feth what she says she is.
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2011/11/01 15:00:21
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/11/01 15:09:48
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Ouze wrote:1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing.
Well said. The hypocrisy is glaring.
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2011/11/01 15:14:43
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
AustonT wrote:Ahh, invincible ignorance. The refuge of the mighty.
Yes, I'm sure my subjective views on the actions of a media personality known for polemic and demagoguery veiled in vox populi costume is truly overcome by a quote from that exact persons biography on what they are.
Next in the AustonT news hour: We look into OJs biography to see if he killed his wife!
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2011/11/01 15:17:01
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
who cares put em in jello and see if Maddow can turn Coulter to the dark side. They both spout bogus nonsense, at least coulter doesn't pretend like she's a real or impartial journalist.
Yes. She does.
AustonT wrote:As per her biographical from Hannity, TMZ, Liberty Speaks, Business Insider, Wikipedia, etc.
ShumaGorath wrote:I don't give a flying feth what she says she is.
AustonT is my new favorite poster.
Sorry Fraz. Post more pictures of wiener dogs and you might retake the top spot.
You're both damn lucky no one regularly posts lolcats.
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2011/11/01 15:20:09
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Ouze wrote:1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing.
Well said. The hypocrisy is glaring.
Coming from you thats especially meaningless. Having said that I'll bite. As there are no actual charges, or minor things like you know evidence, I'll keep to my view this is a hack job.
Hey if Clinton can do it and admit to it nad myself not particularly give a , I think I'll still give Cain the ebenfit of the doubt until some actual evidence appears.
Now if Cain blows the response particularly badly that will matter to me as it shows ineffective crisis management, but then again he won't be the Republican Presidential nominee at that point, so again I won't care.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/11/01 15:23:35
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
You can see the weirdest, funniest and most bizarre parts edited together here:
Rick Perry - Full, uncut "drunk" Cornerstone New Hampshire speech - Friday, 28 October, 2011
"I hate movies where the men wear shorter skirts than the women." -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
"Elements of the past and the future combining to create something not quite as good as either." -- The Mighty Boosh
Check out Cinematic Titanic, the new movie riffing project from Joel Hodgson and the original cast of MST3K.
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2011/11/01 15:53:34
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
BrassScorpion wrote:If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
Just out of curiosity, do you intend to participate in discussions here, particularly the ones you initiate, or are you simply here to disparage the various Republican candidates and plug Maddow's blog?
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2011/11/01 15:55:42
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
BrassScorpion wrote:If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
Just out of curiosity, do you intend to participate in discussions here, particularly the ones you initiate, or are you simply here to disparage the various Republican candidates and plug Maddow's blog?
"Look, if you're interested in serious debate, the internet is not the place for it." biccat - 2011
Also, his posting history in this forum section shows that he's happy to just linkspam.
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2011/11/01 15:56:59
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
BrassScorpion wrote:If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
You can see the weirdest, funniest and most bizarre parts edited together here:
Rick Perry - Full, uncut "drunk" Cornerstone New Hampshire speech - Friday, 28 October, 2011
Thats nothing. COme on, I expect better from our new dedicated Democratic talking points liason.
Look up Adios Mofo and Perry traffic stop.
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biccat wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
Just out of curiosity, do you intend to participate in discussions here, particularly the ones you initiate, or are you simply here to disparage the various Republican candidates and plug Maddow's blog?
BS (oh thats interesting right there) will take "B" for $200. Its not even the right thread, which means its kind of trolling.
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biccat wrote:
BrassScorpion wrote:If you haven't seen this video of Rick Perry's bizarre speech from Oct. 28 (at times involving a jug of maple syrup) it is priceless unintentional comedy. Creepy and weird, you have to see it for yourself.
Just out of curiosity, do you intend to participate in discussions here, particularly the ones you initiate, or are you simply here to disparage the various Republican candidates and plug Maddow's blog?
"Look, if you're interested in serious debate, the internet is not the place for it."
biccat - 2011
Also, his posting history in this forum section shows that he's happy to just linkspam.
Wrong thread though.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2011/11/01 16:32:07
Subject: Cain drips details of harassment charges, vows innocence
Cain drips details of harassment charges, vows innocence
By Corbett B. Daly
UPDATED 11:34 a.m. ET
After initially denying any recollection of the incidents surrounding charges of inappropriate interactions with women who worked under him more than a decade ago, White House hopeful Herman Cain is slowly dripping out details of what happened.
"I am not trying to hide anything I am trying to put it all out there for people to see," Cain said in an interview with Headline News Tuesday.
On Fox News Monday night, the businessman told host Greta Van Susteren he could not even remember the name of one of the women who worked in the Washington office of the National Restaurant Association, which Cain led for more than two years in the late 1990s.
"But I do remember the formal allegations she made in terms of sexual harassment," Cain said, again denying he did anything inappropriate.
"I have never sexually harassed anybody in my life. And this formal charge was made. And then once it was made, I recused myself and turned it over to my general counsel and one of the other executives that worked for me," Cain said, continuing his insistence that the charges were bogus.
He said he was trying to remember what happened.
"All day today, as I've been getting beat up, I've been trying to recall what some of those things were and haven't been able to recall a lot of them because that's why they got dismissed," he said, referring to the questions thrown his way after Politico broke the story Sunday.
"But here's the one incident that I recall as the day has gone on. She was in my office one day, and I made a gesture saying, Oh -- and I was standing close to her. And I made a gesture, You're the same height as my wife, and brought my hand -- didn't touch her -- up to my chin and said, You're the same height of my wife because my wife comes up to my chin, my wife of 43 years," he told Van Susteren.
On Tuesday, Cain was asked why he started to remember more details as Monday wore on, since the Van Susteren interview was the last of the day and had the most details about the incident.
"Remember this was 12 years ago, and I was trying to recollect this in the middle of an already busy planned day. A major speech in the morning. A major luncheon speech at the Press Club," Cain said.
"And so the only other thing I could remember when I was asked about any specific things that were in the allegations I came up with the fact that I made a gesture by putting my hand under my chin standing near this lady saying, oh you are the same height as my wife. My wife is five feet tall. She comes up to my chin. I was simply making that comparison. We were in my office, the door was wide open and my assistant was sitting right outside," he added.
The Headline News anchor Robin Meade asked Cain if had spoken with people involved in the meantime to refresh his memory.
"No I just started to remember more," Cain said, "this was not exactly something that I had top of mind."
Cain was also asked on Fox Monday about the amount of money given the women to settle the dispute, and he said it was probably about two to three months salary.
"But I can't guarantee that it was two months or three months. I just know it was well within the range of what we would do if we had an amicable separation between the association and an employee," he said.
At the National Press Club earlier in the day, Cain said he knew nothing about a financial deal with the women.
"I am unaware of any kind of settlement. I hope it wasn't for much, because I didn't do anything. But the fact of the matter is, I'm not aware of a settlement that came out of that accusation," Cain told the audience.
"I hate movies where the men wear shorter skirts than the women." -- Mystery Science Theater 3000
"Elements of the past and the future combining to create something not quite as good as either." -- The Mighty Boosh
Check out Cinematic Titanic, the new movie riffing project from Joel Hodgson and the original cast of MST3K.
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2011/11/01 17:31:51
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
ShumaGorath wrote:"Look, if you're interested in serious debate, the internet is not the place for it."
Wise words from a wise man.
ShumaGorath wrote:biccat - 2011
Oh, geez, aren't my ears red.
ShumaGorath wrote:Also, his posting history in this forum section shows that he's happy to just linkspam.
Fair enough.
But then isn't that trolling?
No, I think it's more spamming, but it's got on topic content so it's not really even that. I'd rather see his posts then what relapse tosses out personally and they're both allowed in.
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2011/11/01 17:39:12
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
AustonT wrote:Ahh, invincible ignorance. The refuge of the mighty.
Yes, I'm sure my subjective views on the actions of a media personality known for polemic and demagoguery veiled in vox populi costume is truly overcome by a quote from that exact persons biography on what they are.
Next in the AustonT news hour: We look into OJs biography to see if he killed his wife!
Yes, why don't we?
Avatar 720 wrote: You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2011/11/01 17:42:10
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
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, I think I'll still give Cain the ebenfit of the doubt until some actual evidence appears.
