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2011/10/31 19:50:40
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:I think keeping this thread open for BrassScorpion to post his Rachel Maddow conspiracy stories/fanfic is a good idea. That way he doesn't pollute the rest of OT with his fanciful stories and conjecture.
So, what you're saying is that you want someone else to give you a similar thread?
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2011/10/31 19:56:07
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:I think keeping this thread open for BrassScorpion to post his Rachel Maddow conspiracy stories/fanfic is a good idea. That way he doesn't pollute the rest of OT with his fanciful stories and conjecture.
So, what you're saying is that you want someone else to give you a similar thread?
I wasn't aware that I've ever endorsed any of Rachel Maddow's conspiracy theories. Although I'm sure you are able to provide links.
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2011/10/31 20:08:21
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, leaves a bad taste. Cain crashes and burns.
Chowderhead wrote:Who would win in a conspiracy theory fight: Ann Coulter or Rachel Maddow?
Discuss.
They would both slough off their skins and begin the lizardman conquest of Earth.
There are some who walk until their legs fail them and they fall to the ground. I find that respectable.
Then there are those who drag themselves further. I find that admirable.
2011/10/31 20:10:00
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Piston Honda wrote:But, a woman who can cook is sexier than a woman who cannot.
Same goes for a man really.
A man who can cook you wonderful meals? [City name]'s most eligible bachelor material here.
Bull, I can cook wonderful meals and I'm as single as hell.
Back to the topic of people getting money from the government after taxes;
The poor= can't afford anything so they get money back for being poor.
The rich= get money back for owning homes and businesses which supply the economy with homes for the poor and jobs for others.
get money back for donating to charities that go out to help the poor and destitute in this country and in other countries.
Like it or not the rich get tax deductions for things that ultimately help the poor while the poor get tax deductions for being poor, something's gotta give here and I say that a flat tax is awesome. Oh and Melissia here's how the 9-0-9 plan works; 9% business investment(which the poor don't have because they don't own businesses), 0% income tax(which the poor already have in most cases), and 9% federal sales tax(oh my god poor people may actually have to put some money into the economy that is busy ruining itself to help them, but its only on goods they buy and there will probably be exceptions on what gets taxed or not).
Geeze, if someone pays nothing in taxes and then has to pay nine dollars its a 900% tax increase.
2011/10/31 20:10:38
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Raising Cain: When is a Scoop Ready to be Published?
Politico’s story on possible sexual harassment by Herman Cain may be the biggest investigative scoop of the campaign season. But it would be hard to deduce that from the facts as published.
The story lacks the key details needed to judge whether the allegations amount to fatal character flaw in a candidate suddenly running near the top of the polls. For example, the story quotes unnamed sources as saying the National Restaurant Association paid two “five figure settlements” to deal with charges of harassment by Cain, who was president and CEO of the trade group from 1996 to 1999.
Were they $99,999 each? (To use some of Cain’s favorite numbers) Or a buck above $9,999?
The former would suggest, but not prove, that something seriously untoward had occurred. The latter sounds like what lawyers term nuisance settlements – the money corporations routinely shell out to make frivolous claims go away.
After providing equivocal denials to Politico, Cain came out swinging today. "In all of my 40 years of business experience,’’ Cain told an audience at the National Press Club in Washington, “ I have never sexually harassed anyone.
“While at the restaurant association,’’ Cain said, “ I was accused of sexual harassment. Falsely accused, I might add."
It is clear from the story Politico posted Sunday evening that reporters made extensive efforts to figure out what happened. But much of what appeared came from anonymous sources whose knowledge appeared to be second-hand or unspecific.
Politico described the incidents involved “conversations allegedly filled with innuendo or personal questions of a sexually suggestive nature” that took place at conferences or other Restaurant Association events. One exchange, an unnamed source said, involved an invitation by Cain to an employee to meet him in his hotel suite at an event. There were also “physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.’’
Obviously, this description leaves open a myriad of possibilities, from the boorish to the legally actionable. Certainly, it prompts readers to scratch their heads as they try to remember what in the late 1990’s constituted a physical gesture that was not overtly sexual but discomfiting. (I checked. The Macarena came out in the mid-1990s.) Suggestions from a boss to “meet in my suite” are equally ambiguous. Did Cain have a sheaf of strategy papers on the desk or a CD player with a Michael Bolton track cued up?
Therein is the problem with this story. If the facts as published were part of a memo to Politico’s editors they would amount to a first-rate tip on a story. If Cain turns out to be a serial harasser, it will surely tarnish his image as the 2012 campaign’s most likeable fresh face.
Politico says it e-mailed the campaign for a response to the allegations on Oct. 20 and the answers quoted in Sunday’s story from both Cain and his spokesman are less than complete. But the onus remains on news organization to nail down their stories.
These would include:
What, exactly, was said or done by Cain?
How much money was paid to each of the women?
If the story reached the board of the association, as Politico alleges, why do the chairman, vice chairman and immediate past chairman of the board all say they’ve never heard of it.
There’s no doubt that sexual harassment is a potent charge. It has brought down CEOs, Congressmen, Senators and very nearly pushed Bill Clinton out of the presidency. But in this case, it remains unclear whether this was merely a great tip or an actual bombshell. I respect Politico’s decision to keep the names of the women out of this (though they will surely emerge). Yet, the basic details of this “harassment’’ are essential so readers can judge its significance.
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2011/10/31 20:40:33
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, leaves a bad taste. Cain crashes and burns.
I really don't think Cain is going to crash and burn based on just this, but to be honest I'm more concerned with the supposed IRS scandal than him touching a woman seeing as though he is going to be charged with running the economy should he get elected.
2011/10/31 21:42:36
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, leaves a bad taste. Cain crashes and burns.
BrassScorpion wrote:Funny, I can't see how that's important at all. Justice delayed is justice denied, but better late than never.
Its incredibly important. I want to know who orderred the hit. this one is worthy of the Clinton kill team, or a good Chicago mobster... Of course Governor Blowdry is practised in this art as well, but it reaks of lefty paper October surprise. I think we need to verify the whereabouts of Dan Rather pronto.
Late to this particular party, but here I go:
I don't think that this has been leaked by the POTUS or anybody on the Democratic side. If you are sitting on this info, the best bet would be to let the primary go ahead, and if he wins use it in the general election.
If it was leaked by a political enemy, then probably someone on the Republican side at this stage in the game.
Of course it might just have been "leaked" by the news themselves. Or maybe just by the women themselves if he is indeed guilty of this. If they pay you off to save the job of some perv with the restaurant association, then they might take the money. But then seeing the same guy having the potential to become POTUS might bring them out of the woods. Might not even be the women involved, could have been someone who knows the women and who wanted his/her own 5 minutes of fame. Sort of like the lady who taped all her conversations with Monica in the Clinton days.
2011/10/31 23:06:32
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Piston Honda wrote:But, a woman who can cook is sexier than a woman who cannot.
Same goes for a man really.
A man who can cook you wonderful meals? [City name]'s most eligible bachelor material here.
Bull, I can cook wonderful meals and I'm as single as hell.
That's because your face... I mean.. .come on. It's hard to make up for THAT.
[yes, a joke dude never seen your face anyway]
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2011/10/31 23:36:16
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:I think keeping this thread open for BrassScorpion to post his Rachel Maddow conspiracy stories/fanfic is a good idea. That way he doesn't pollute the rest of OT with his fanciful stories and conjecture.
You have a good point.
I still like his ads. They are just this side of crazy.
If we're lucky this threads big enough to cage all of you.
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2011/11/01 00:24:56
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Frazzled wrote:Actually it doesn't. With a few moinor tweaks, its a succinct workable plan. 9-0-9 is getting closer to an ideal.
When you don't have hard figures for how much revenue a system will generate, you don't have a plan, you have a campaign slogan. That people continue to talk about 999 as if it were some researched, fully realised tax plan and not just three numbers in a row demonstrates how content free US politics is getting.
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Frazzled wrote:Whether I agree or disagree, thats opinion.
Frazzled's plan is 5 - 20 - 30 -50 no deductions.
0-50,000
51,000-100,000
101,000-250,000
over
That's more or less as fully realised as Cain's plan.
In other news, here's the breakdown for Australia's tax rates;
Up to $6000 - 0%
6,001 to 37,000 - 12.6%
37,001 to 80,000 - 21.9%
80,001 to 180,000 - 30.3%
180,001 - 45%
There are a small number of deductions and a fair number of direct handouts for having kids and the like, but nothing like the craziness you guys have (tax deductions for interest on the family home?!) Still, not so far from your ideal, is it?
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Chowderhead wrote:Who would win in a conspiracy theory fight: Ann Coulter or Rachel Maddow?
Discuss.
Maddow's voice makes me want to punch orphans, but still, are we really going to pretend that Maddow and Coulter have the same level of journalistic quality?
I mean, fething seriously.
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biccat wrote:They misspelled "rape."
Presumably an editing mistake. I will take the time to email the publication.
You realise that reality matters, or that at least it should, don't you?
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/11/01 01:21:41
Subject: Re:He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Yeah, he's done. If the illegal campaign funds and IRS issues weren't enough, Cain and his campaign admit there was a sexual harassment settlement after first denying it.
This is the funniest admission, where instead of saying, "yes there was a settlement" he says, "outside of the restaurant association, no". The man is a clown. He and Rick Perry would make a great slapstick team.
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2011/11/01 03:30:10
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
sebster wrote:There are a small number of deductions and a fair number of direct handouts for having kids and the like, but nothing like the craziness you guys have (tax deductions for interest on the family home?!)
I fail to see how you can consider yourself to have a serious financial education and not understand the concept of interest deduction. Therefore, I can only conclude that you're pretending not to understand the concept to try to score some political nationalistic point.
sebster wrote:Maddow's voice makes me want to punch orphans, but still, are we really going to pretend that Maddow and Coulter have the same level of journalistic quality?
I mean, fething seriously.
Sebster has a good point here. Referring to any of the current crop of MSNBC hacks as "journalists" is bordering on the absurd.
sebster wrote:
biccat wrote:They misspelled "rape."
Presumably an editing mistake. I will take the time to email the publication.
You realise that reality matters, or that at least it should, don't you?
I suppose you're right. I don't expect them to make the correction that Mr. Clinton won a presidential election with a rape allegation hanging over his head. A man can dream tho.
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2011/11/01 04:25:30
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:I fail to see how you can consider yourself to have a serious financial education and not understand the concept of interest deduction. Therefore, I can only conclude that you're pretending not to understand the concept to try to score some political nationalistic point.
I have no idea how you got "I don't understand how that works" from what I wrote, when the clear and obvious meaning was "I have no idea why anyone would put such a silly piece of tax code into place".
Every country has interest deductions. You cannot have a construction industry without a piece of code that says "you get to claim a deduction for any interest expense incurred in the construction of an income producing asset".
That is wholly different to having a deduction for something that is purely for private consumption. Interest paid on the house loan is no different to interest paid on the car loan, or the television purchased on hire purchase. Giving people money back for spending on private consumption is moon logic.
Sebster has a good point here. Referring to any of the current crop of MSNBC hacks as "journalists" is bordering on the absurd.
Yes, in a world where scoring cheap points for your own side is more important than journalistic quality, that kind of comment is totally important and completely relevant.
Meanwhile, over here where there's more important things than 'teehee I made a cheap shot at the other side' it's really important to recognise the difference between a political argument, while certainly targeted against one side, but built on facts and analysis and mean spirited gossip.
I suppose you're right. I don't expect them to make the correction that Mr. Clinton won a presidential election with a rape allegation hanging over his head. A man can dream tho.
Uh huh. So now it's gone from rape, to rape allegation, and still nothing to substantiate how the rape that became a rape allegation almost pushed Clinton out of the presidency.
Maybe just stop with the cheap little digs. It's just crap politics.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/11/01 05:46:34
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
biccat wrote:
I suppose you're right. I don't expect them to make the correction that Mr. Clinton won a presidential election with a rape allegation hanging over his head. A man can dream tho.
He wasn't accused of rape until 1998. Either you are mixing your dates, or you're deliberately distorting the charge for the purposes of scoring political points.
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2011/11/01 07:02:23
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Frazzled wrote:I think the important thing to figure out is:
Was the Wshington Post waiting on this until he became popular, were they tipped off by the Obama election campaign, or the Perry campaign? The allegations are not exactly new.
1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing. That's the important thing.
2.) I don't feel it likely this would have come from Obama's camp. Obama vs Cain matchups show Obama either solidly winning to shellacking Cain, depending who you ask. It's in Obama's interest to keep Cain in the running for as long as humanly possible, damaging all the other opponents but most especially Romney. I think Frazzled has it right when he thinks it was Perry's camp, since he's having a pretty tough time right now.
3.) None of this is really going to hurt him, anyway. The tax stuff is small potatoes, and the sexual harassment stuff doesn't have much in the way of teeth. The settlements surely include NDA's so the truth will never be known. Other politicians have survived way worse.
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2011/11/01 07:52:03
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
Ouze wrote:1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing. That's the important thing.
2.) I don't feel it likely this would have come from Obama's camp. Obama vs Cain matchups show Obama either solidly winning to shellacking Cain, depending who you ask. It's in Obama's interest to keep Cain in the running for as long as humanly possible, damaging all the other opponents but most especially Romney. I think Frazzled has it right when he thinks it was Perry's camp, since he's having a pretty tough time right now.
3.) None of this is really going to hurt him, anyway. The tax stuff is small potatoes, and the sexual harassment stuff doesn't have much in the way of teeth. The settlements surely include NDA's so the truth will never be known. Other politicians have survived way worse.
Those three points sum it up pretty well.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/11/01 08:05:01
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Blah Blah Blah old sexual harassment case blah blah blah. In the end nobody cares and few will remember because nothing was proven in a court. In the end it will matter less than the pubic hair on a coke can when Justice Thomas was nominated to the supreme court.
What does matter is his 9-9-9 plan, how his 9-9-9 plan may very will win him the GOP primary, and how his 9-9-9 plan makes him completely unelectable in the general election. A vote for Herman Cain in the primaries is a vote for Obama's 2nd term. Let's face facts this guy isn't going to get many votes from the 46% of Americans that don't pay federal income taxes, seniors on fixed incomes (which is pretty much every senior), moderates, or independents. The electoral college results would be as monochromatic as it was in 1984 except this time the map would be more blue than the pope's balls. Liberals should be cheering Cain on until the day he wins the GOP primaries.
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2011/11/01 08:11:10
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
schadenfreude wrote:Liberals should be cheering Cain on until the day he wins the GOP primaries.
I am not speaking for any liberals but myself, and I consider myself much more of a moderate than a liberal, but:
I don't want a crappy GOP candidate to hand the election to Obama.
I want the best possible candidate for this country to come out of the GOP primary, so that we can then elect the best possible candidate as the POTUS. If Obama is the better candidate then so be it. But I want as many good options as possible, not "good and bad".
2011/11/01 08:40:39
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
d-usa wrote:I am not speaking for any liberals but myself, and I consider myself much more of a moderate than a liberal, but:
I don't want a crappy GOP candidate to hand the election to Obama.
I want the best possible candidate for this country to come out of the GOP primary, so that we can then elect the best possible candidate as the POTUS. If Obama is the better candidate then so be it. But I want as many good options as possible, not "good and bad".
True. A good, healthy democracy is about strong candidates running against strong candidates, unfortunately most people seem more interested in their team than in a healthy democracy.
And more than that, I remember a lot of lefties hoping GW Bush won the Republican primary in 2000, because Gore couldn't possibly lose to an arch-conservative that was so stupid...
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
2011/11/01 11:12:03
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
So far the only thing "admitted" to is that there was a settlement. That could be a nuisance settlement. The fact that Politico "won't discuss it" reeks of a political hit - even Democratic strategists are saying it. Anonymous sources? No fact backup? Running to conclusions. Its a Washington Post/New York Times speciality.
I agree with them, its potentially from another campaign.
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Ouze wrote:
Frazzled wrote:I think the important thing to figure out is:
Was the Wshington Post waiting on this until he became popular, were they tipped off by the Obama election campaign, or the Perry campaign? The allegations are not exactly new.
1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing. That's the important thing.
2.) I don't feel it likely this would have come from Obama's camp. Obama vs Cain matchups show Obama either solidly winning to shellacking Cain, depending who you ask. It's in Obama's interest to keep Cain in the running for as long as humanly possible, damaging all the other opponents but most especially Romney. I think Frazzled has it right when he thinks it was Perry's camp, since he's having a pretty tough time right now.
3.) None of this is really going to hurt him, anyway. The tax stuff is small potatoes, and the sexual harassment stuff doesn't have much in the way of teeth. The settlements surely include NDA's so the truth will never be known. Other politicians have survived way worse.
What message? Anonymous tips are meaningless. It may be real but until you put up or shut up its just a hit. The fact the usual suspects are lining up cackling maniacly supports my view frankly.
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2011/11/01 11:59:03
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Dude, I think the police would disagree with you...
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2011/11/01 12:24:54
Subject: Bad pizza: Cain now admits to settling sexual harassment case after lying and denying.
Dude, I think the police would disagree with you...
Dude bring it into a court and see how fast it gets thrown out, dude.
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2011/11/01 12:25:20
Subject: He's like an overdone pizza now, no one will want him.
sebster wrote:I have no idea how you got "I don't understand how that works" from what I wrote, when the clear and obvious meaning was "I have no idea why anyone would put such a silly piece of tax code into place".
How you got this from my post I have no idea. I invite you to re-read my post. I didn't say you don't understand how it works, I said you don't understand the concept of interest deduction.
sebster wrote:Every country has interest deductions. You cannot have a construction industry without a piece of code that says "you get to claim a deduction for any interest expense incurred in the construction of an income producing asset".
And as I expected, you actually do understand the importance of interest deductions...
sebster wrote:That is wholly different to having a deduction for something that is purely for private consumption. Interest paid on the house loan is no different to interest paid on the car loan, or the television purchased on hire purchase. Giving people money back for spending on private consumption is moon logic.
...but instead you're making a purely political/nationalistic argument here.
Giving people money for interest paid on construction loans is no different than giving them money for private consumption.
sebster wrote:Yes, in a world where scoring cheap points for your own side is more important than journalistic quality, that kind of comment is totally important and completely relevant.
Presumably, that's why you raised it. Obviously you missed the part where I agreed with you.
sebster wrote:Meanwhile, over here where there's more important things than 'teehee I made a cheap shot at the other side' it's really important to recognise the difference between a political argument, while certainly targeted against one side, but built on facts and analysis and mean spirited gossip.
Yeah, that's what this thread is about. Trying to recognize the difference between mean spirited gossip and a political argument built on facts. This is an example of the former, not the latter.
sebster wrote:Uh huh. So now it's gone from rape, to rape allegation, and still nothing to substantiate how the rape that became a rape allegation almost pushed Clinton out of the presidency.
Well, it included at least the same level of substantiation as the current Cain issue. Cain doesn't have a sexual harassment problem like Clinton had. He has a "sexual harrasment allegation" problem like Clinton had a "rape allegation" problem. Except for Clinton it's cool because he's a liberal.
Ouze wrote:1.) It's interesting to note that both Biicat and Frazzled immediately focused not on Cain's problems or his perfidy, but who reported it. Apparently the facts are substantially less important then what team logo the messenger is wearing. That's the important thing.
Remember what NPR told us back in the day. What matters is not the nature of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge.
If this story had some grain of truth then it would be worth discussing. But it doesn't.
Manufactured outrage at its best. Or maybe "a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deign to think for themselves."
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