Stock traders from the Chicago Board of Trade dump McDonalds applications on OWS protestors

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**Melissia**

biccat wrote:A lot of Democrats, actually.

Who would today be called republicans.

biccat wrote:I'm sure you can tell us where the latest mob violence against gays took place in the United States.

2007, if I remember correctly. But why restrict it to merely the US? Conservative/right wing/religious groups have long participated in violence against homosexuals across the globe. In 2008 in Moldova, homosexuals were told by an angry crowd that if they wanted to leave their bus alive they had to desztroy anything representing gay pride (they were heading to a gay pride parade). Russian authorities are similarly homophobic, and arguably they are in some ways more right wing than we (because of their supreme deregulation, which is also the cause of their corruption). 2008 in Hungary, an LGBT dignity parade was pelted with molotovs. Just last year there was an incidence of mob violence by conservative Kenyans against homosexuals.

Course, this all depends on how you want to define right wing. But given your apparent wide sweeping definition of "left", I figure you wouldn't have much of a problem with a wide sweeping definition of "right".

biccat wrote:When one set of political beliefs encourages mob violence, there's a problem.

Acting like the right wing somehow encourages it less is disingenuous at best.

**ShumaGorath**

biccat wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.

Wow, I didn't know Mcarthy played 40k!

Actually, McCarthy pretty much reinforces my point. He was able to create fear of Communists because they were a marginalized fringe group. Today it's not surprising (nor difficult) to find proud communists on a college campus.

I think the anti war elements of the time would disagree with you.

**PhantomViper**

halonachos wrote:Yeah, one of their demands is to forgive student loans. Which is completely awesome because I chose a marketable major just so I could get a job and support those who chose some sort of fine arts or humanities major.

You want to give public education teachers pay that's competitive to private school teachers. Excellent, we'll take away all their subsidies and benefits and pay them like their private counterparts.

You want to make sure that the government supplies healthcare, social security to the elderly, and supplies welfare. Okay that's understandable, but you don't want everyone to pay for this, just the rich.

You want the government to supply construction jobs to repair the country's infrastructure. Respectable, but its not giving out wealth its only moving it around and right now we need something to generate it.

You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.

You want the government to force cable news networks to give free air time to political candidates if they receive enough signatures on a petition. Okay but the government doesn't have the right to influence media like that. You're fighting for a state controlled media while fighting against the state controlling your own voice. Make up your minds.

This movement boils down to "We want more money and hate those who have it.". It also seems that they want to make everyone somewhat equal in income, but instead of making the poor richer they want to make the rich poorer which is kind of like Zimbabwe compared to Liechtenstein or Switzerland.

Exalted.

**halonachos**

ShumaGorath wrote:
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.

I wasn't able to find anything substantial on this claim, can you post something to back it up?

An old website of his helps. Scott Olsen was the founder of "ihatethemarinecorps.com

website.informer.com wrote:I hate the Marine Corps. Do you?
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Created: 2009-01-28
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Also from Scott Olsen's little facebook.

http://terminallance.com/forum/index.php?topic=543.0

This is a forum that he posted on under his moniker; ihatethemarinecorps and this is what he said. THis was posted on June 17, 2010

Data dink, data dude, data shut the feth UP! That's about all I can think of that hasn't been listed already. A friend of mine got called a killer once by a gunny (while we were at a pog unit) and he ended up saying something to the effect of "you're right i am a killer. it's my fault lcpl *soandso* got killed by that IED - thanks for reminding me" It's always fun to turn the tables. I often ignored "moto nicknames" and would assume in my head that whoever said it was probably talking about someone else - (i'm not a hard charger, must have me confused for someone else)

I was talking to my 1stsgt regarding a pending adsep since i had been accused of using cocaine. Anyway, when we were done talking, he used as a parting greeting "stay marine". He clearly didn't think that one through. It was no secret that I couldn't wait to get out and on top of that, the MC was trying to kick me out. I was going to bust his balls over it, but I went and took a nap instead.

What a class act to follow.

**biccat**

Melissia wrote:
biccat wrote:A lot of Democrats, actually.
Who would today be called republicans.

Of course they would.

The worst racism and infringements of liberty in the 20th century (both here and abroad) came from progrsesives. I'm sure you'll argue that Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger would be Republicans today too.

Melissia wrote:2007, if I remember correctly. But why restrict it to merely the US?

Because that's the focus of this conversation. I'm sure you can provide links to this mob violence. Or at least some other identifying information.

Melissia wrote:Conservative/right wing/religious groups have long participated in violence against homosexuals across the globe.

You're associating "conservative" with "anti-gay." Once you do that it's not difficult to find evidence of violence against gays by "conservatives."

Melissia wrote:In 2008 in Moldova, homosexuals were told by an angry crowd that if they wanted to leave their bus alive they had to desztroy anything representing gay pride (they were heading to a gay pride parade).

We're talking about the Moldova in Eastern Europe, right? The one run by the Communist Party?

Melissia wrote:Course, this all depends on how you want to define right wing. But given your apparent wide sweeping definition of "left", I figure you wouldn't have much of a problem with a wide sweeping definition of "right".

I wouldn't if it were consistent and honest. I define "left" broadly as those who support government control and right as those who oppose government control. You appear to define "right" as "bad people who disagree with me."

Melissia wrote:Acting like the right wing somehow encourages it less is disingenuous at best.

Or, in the alternative, totally correct.

ShumaGorath wrote:I think the anti war elements of the time would disagree with you.

You're right, they would, nobody likes to be thought of as marginalized. But that doesn't make them widespread during the '40s and '50s, when McCarthyism was all the rage.

It wasn't until the '60s with opposition to the Vietnam war that communism became more acceptable.

**ShumaGorath**

Thats it? A forum post that could of been him implying he could of done something and a facebook page where he sympathizes with irsraels neighbors?

I'll wait for this to turn into a media gak storm before I really start believing it. If it's real it'll get pretty huge (well, it'll get huge either way but then people will actually look into it).

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You're right, they would, nobody likes to be thought of as marginalized. But that doesn't make them widespread during the '40s and '50s, when McCarthyism was all the rage.

It wasn't until the '60s with opposition to the Vietnam war that communism became more acceptable.

Here you go equating communism with the framing of leftists again. There's a logical fallacy in there, but I think you know it and are trolling at this point so whatever.

**Jihadin**

If we deploy to handle the protestors...I want to volunteer to man the water cannon. I clean up wall street from the pavement up. If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....probaly one that looks like they haven't miss any meals from McD's.

**Frazzled**

Melissia wrote:Right, because there's never been any right-winged mob violence. I'm sure that the historical civil rights movement would agree with that, or the modern gay rights movement, and so on...

Mob violence happens because of human nature, and not political belief.

The guys running around beingh oppressive were Democrats. Sorry. Ask Strom Thurman.

**daedalus**

Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....

My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.

Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

**halonachos**

ShumaGorath wrote:Thats it? A forum post that could of been him implying he could of done something and a facebook page where he sympathizes with irsraels neighbors?

I'll wait for this to turn into a media gak storm before I really start believing it. If it's real it'll get pretty huge (well, it'll get huge either way but then people will actually look into it).

Quantico isn't saying anything, they were asked and denied talking to them about it. You know why, because its against their proper procedures and they happen to be good marines.

The guy was a potential anti-semite and ran a website called ihatethemarinecorps.com. If that doesn't scream dishonorable discharge I don't know what it.

Another good thing about this crowd is that they're supposedly sponsored by what's left of ACORN. Except instead of being called ACORN they're called the NYCC.

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daedalus wrote:
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....

My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.

Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

IG, I regularly play against Orks so I can respect the use of blast weapons against a mob.

**biccat**

daedalus wrote:Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

Warhammer Fantasy Battles; Warhammer 40,000; WarMachine; Hordes; and I used to play a number of wargames that have since gone the way of the dodo.

Why is it relevant?

**Jihadin**

Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

Why yes I do. Tau, which I lose quite often and starting SM...but my wife influencing me with her DE army to.....

**ShumaGorath**

Jihadin wrote:If we deploy to handle the protestors...I want to volunteer to man the water cannon. I clean up wall street from the pavement up. If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....probaly one that looks like they haven't miss any meals from McD's.

And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.

**daedalus**

biccat wrote:Why is it relevant?

To the topic at hand? I'll admit it's not. Just a question I've been dying to ask of some of the more frequent OT posters.

**Jihadin**

And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.

I'm not a muslim Syrian soldier either.

Curiousty though. How old are you Shum?

**ShumaGorath**

Jihadin wrote:
And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.

I'm not a muslim Syrian soldier either.

Curiousty though. How old are you Shum?

25! And I feel old. Not experienced, just old.

**mattyrm**

ShumaGorath wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.

I'm not a muslim Syrian soldier either.

Curiousty though. How old are you Shum?

25! And I feel old. Not experienced, just old.

You look rough as a badgers arse mate, I figured you were much older....

**AustonT**

biccat wrote:

AustonT wrote:Just today or since 1789?

Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.

The term "Left Wing" originates in the French Revolution. The embodiment of bloody handed left wing mobs were the Sans Culottes and specifically Marat. You'll find marxist scholars are often the most volumnous on the revolution. Don't take it as an attack. It's a historical fact. The fact that Revolution imagery was used makes the link that much stronger.

Necroshea wrote:Dumping apps for a notorious job on protestors? Meh, not funny.

Dumpers getting chased by said angry mob with an impromptu guillotine after the incident? Now THAT'S funny.

**ShumaGorath**

mattyrm wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
Jihadin wrote:
And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.

I'm not a muslim Syrian soldier either.

Curiousty though. How old are you Shum?

25! And I feel old. Not experienced, just old.

You look rough as a badgers arse mate, I figured you were much older....

**AustonT**

daedalus wrote:
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....

My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.

Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

Your strategic editing of his post is admirable, since he basically said he'd rather not encourage his own violent urges.

I think a quick look at a posters gallery is generally the answer to your question.

**daedalus**

AustonT wrote:
daedalus wrote:
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....

My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.

Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?

Your strategic editing of his post is admirable, since he basically said he'd rather not encourage his own violent urges.

I took it to be disingenuous. Certainly in poor taste.

So you think that it's acceptable that people with violent urges that they apparently might not be able to suppress should be allowed to point potentially lethal weapons at their own people?

**Dakkadan**

In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.

What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.

The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.

But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.

**mattyrm**

ShumaGorath wrote:

Sorry mate, I didn't mean it.

Here have a nice manly drink on me!

**Jihadin**

I've an evil streak. It gets a bit nerve wracking firing a weapon at guys in man robes. It's like the zamboni everyone wants to drive in the rink. I just want the water cannon so I can say I was in one big water fight

**daedalus**

Jihadin wrote:I just want the water cannon so I can say I was in one big water fight

Well, I could get behind that. It would be fun to get a couple of those together and just cut loose from a good couple hundred feet apart.

Willing participants only though.

**Frazzled**

Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.

What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.

The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.

But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.

Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally.

them right back.

**PhantomViper**

Dakkadan wrote:
The problem folks is influence.

Actually that is your problem not the protesters.

At least over here they don't know what they are protesting about, some say that they want capitalism to be abolished, others say that they want jobs in their field even though they graduated in Marketing Engineering or some other dead end course. From what I read its much the same the world over.

Those idiots aren't the 99% either, I for one don't identify myself with their sorry finger waving hippie unwashed asses (seriously? what is it with all the hand waving nonsense? they just reminde me of mimes wich is just another reason to mock them), and I doubt that anyone that actually wen't to college to take a job significant education will either!

**Dakkadan**

Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.

Right this is a strawman. You are not in the one percent you "as a banker" are not what they are talking about. However when you spend say a million dollars to help get a Congressman elected. Then you go and have a special meeting with that congressman after he is elected. In which you both decide bankers with circumstances exactly like yours shouldn't have to pay taxes then you'd be just scratching the surface.

In short you are the 99 percent.

**ShumaGorath**

Frazzled wrote:
Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.

What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.

The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.

But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.

Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.

Christ, just how many jobs do you have?

**Frazzled**

Dakkadan wrote:

Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.

Right this is a strawman. You are not in the one percent you "as a banker" are not what they are talking about. However when you spend say a million dollars to help get a Congressman elected. Then you go and have a special meeting with that congressman after he is elected. In which you both decide bankers with circumstances exactly like yours shouldn't have to pay taxes then you'd be just scratching the surface.

In short you are the 99 percent.

And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers.

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ShumaGorath wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.

What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.

The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.

But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.

Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.

Christ, just how many jobs do you have?

3,681 and counting. Duh!