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It depends on the circumstances.

Making a list up right before the game when we want to get started quickly, and you tell me about it immediately? Sure, that's probably fine as long as it's not too many.

Had a week to prepare your list, and I find out it's over half way through the game when I take a look at your list? No, that doesn't fly.

The first one I can understand more than the second.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:no points over.


If I write a list, I keep it under or at the point limit that both me and my opponent agreed on. Why should my opponent be allowed to go over the limits that was agreed upon before the game.

Agreed

2 points over if it's a friendly game against a regular oppenent and we are writing lists on the fly, but in all other circumstances always under.

The_Solitaire wrote:2 points over if it's a friendly game against a regular oppenent and we are writing lists on the fly, but in all other circumstances always under.

Agreed, but for me it is 5 points.

I don't see what the big deal is. Someone's over by 5 points, just add 5 points to your own list. As long as it's a game between friends, etc etc.

Joey wrote:I don't see what the big deal is. Someone's over by 5 points, just add 5 points to your own list. As long as it's a game between friends, etc etc.

The big deal is when two people agree upon a points limit, both should have enough respect to make their list equal to or less than the agreed upon limit.

1 point over is breaking the agreement, and disrespecting your opponent.

If you are over, it should be no big deal to drop something to make your list come in at or under the agreed upon points limit, and this should be done well before you are about to deploy.

If me and some buddies set up a 1000 point game, and they bring 1136 points, I'll throw in a few more models to get somewhere close to their points level. I always want to bring one more monstrous creature, or 30 more hormagaunts, or ...etc, so if given the opportunity to, I'll happily tack on those extra Hive Guard

I don't make lists over the limit, unless I'm going way over (1-200 points). Then my opponents are happy because they get to take more cool stuff!

I prefer having under lists but in friendly games with my friends, if someone want 2000 pt game, it's really 2005 (and with one guy 2050)

Well, I am glad that people are contributing

Part of the challenge is getting the army just right for the points listed. Equal or under, not a point over for me.

There is no list that cannot have something flicked off to be under points limit. While I have let people go over in games past I have never gone over. Its just to easy to remove models or an upgrade. If you have a multitude of models and your picking and choosing to make an army your making these tough choices in general, just pick less.

My thoughts are summarized as such.

I hate it when people want to break a rule and then act like the people abiding by the rules are jerks if they call them out.

We have a weird habit of treating limits as limits in our games

...and forruner, please don't reply with filler every 3 posts: it's somewhere between patronizing and annoying (working on your post count? )

Lobukia wrote:I hate it when people want to break a rule and then act like the people abiding by the rules are jerks if they call them out.

We have a weird habit of treating limits as limits in our games

...and forruner, please don't reply with filler every 3 posts: it's somewhere between patronizing and annoying (working on your post count? )

Honestly, no
I actually don't have a reason for it. Generally though, my threads usually don't get past the first page.
I'll stop though.

Unless its a new player who's just making their army, I prefer the limits to be limits. Removing a melta bomb or two is usually enough to keep the cost down anyway.

I'll cut people a few points of slack if their army is fully WYSIWYG.

If it's not then they can just drop an upgrade.

Scott-S6 wrote:I'll cut people a few points of slack if their army is fully WYSIWYG.

If it's not then they can just drop an upgrade.

I agree with the above, up to ~5 points.

I myself couldn't bring myself to do it, even if making a quick list, but I don't expect anal retentiveness out of everyone. I have been known to glue my melta bombs/grenades to the base instead of the model, so if remake the army I can snap it off without ruining the paint job, it looks silly but it is technically WYSIWYG. I also tend to have a glut of officers/sergeants/commanders ect, so I can use one that fits the points. I generally dislike special characters because I can't fine tune them, though some are worth the inflexibility (Uriah Jacobs, Mephiston, and Coteaz immediately leap to mind). I'm trying to set up my vehicles for recustomizing. My rhino/razorbacks are good, but I have yet to find a good method of switching the razorback weapons out, the turret doesn't hold together without glue, and I cant figure out how to magnetize it. I am also trying to figure a way to get removable extra armor (since that usually goes before stormbolter pintles, which are very easy to make removable).

Surely in an official tournament you're not allowed to go over the limit? So, it kinda makes sense that you should do so in normal games.

Commander Jimbob wrote:Surely in an official tournament you're not allowed to go over the limit? So, it kinda makes sense that you should do so in normal games.

Well, I think that a "normal" game, and "friendly" game are different.
Normal games means to me that it is not a tourney, but I do not necessarily know the opponent well.
Friendly means that a tourney is not involved, but I know the opponent well.

I find the point limit...to be the LIMIT for what you can bring....you can go under, but not over.

When I mess around with lists, I treat limits as limits, but for some reason, some people seem to see rules like those as evil restrictions to try and bend or sneak around instead of a sensible framework that puts players on an even footing (or would assuming balanced codices). I doubt I'd ever outright refuse to play a friendly game with someone who went a few points over instead of dropping some piece of wargear or one model off a squad, but I might make a mental note that they're quite possibly not the type of person I'd want to play against, regularly. Not a guarantee, but it's a warning sign.

If they're sitting a few points over and we still choose to play, though, we're playing at a new point limit - I would likely suggest the closest multiple of 5 (for the sake of simplicity and fairness across codices) at or above their total. Refuse to drop the melta bomb? Fine, but that means I get to reinforce the ram on this trukk. You need that weapon on your dread? Yeah, I guess, but that means I'm adding a few more boys to this squad.

[edit, after seeing some posts I had initially missed]

Armless Failure wrote:I myself couldn't bring myself to do it, even if making a quick list, but I don't expect anal retentiveness out of everyone.

I imagine the wording was chosen mostly in jest, but honestly, this attitude is part of the problem (if it is to be perceived as such) - this isn't a fuzzy rule that people can try and interpret in their favor. It's clear, it's simple, and it's central to the game. Anyone that would suggest that wanting to play by the rules makes you an ass (overly tight or not) is being ridiculous, unless you've been a flagrant jerk about it. House rules are fine, as is using a non-standard point limit for a game. Expecting every player to accommodate you because you want things your way is simply being a baby. I would never be a jerk about it and I'm sure I'd be more lenient to newer players, especially if they threw the list together at the store, but if that opponent even hinted that any reluctance on my part was unreasonable, I'd better have my usual mental reserves available, because it'll take decent bit of restraint not to give him an earful.

In a fun game I’d be lenient to a pretty good bit, I’ve turned a blind eye to a list a good hundred plus points over seeing where they wrote in more stuff than was on their printed list. If you feel the need to cheat in a fun game well that says something about you, but I accept it as a challenge to play you and won't give any rules slack.

As for me, I will never go one single point over the accepted points allowance; if I played tourney's I wouldn't accept a single point over the limit either.

Ignore me, I fail at math.

They have to be under. There is a reason for the limit, you have to rationalize what to get rid of to make that limit without ruining your army. If I'm doing alot of work to get under, so should my oppenent.

Teln wrote:

Iranna wrote:If it's someone I regularly play, then I allow 1% over the points limit.

If it's a pick-up game then no way.

Iranna.

++Edited for quite shocking grammar.++

1% of 1500 is 25 Boyz. It's 30 Guardsmen. It's a Librarian-and-a-half. Feth, you're generous.

1% of 1500 is 15 points, dude. NOT 150. That would be 10%

Generous? Yes. To generous? Yes.

Just stick to the point limits, people.

I normally keep things in my army under the suggested point cap, but if they go over, I follow and add an extra trinket.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:I normally keep things in my army under the suggested point cap, but if they go over, I follow and add an extra trinket.

Seems like most people would do this (including me).

Hmm....depends on the situation and what they're try to do as well as what army they're using

Generally I'd say if you go over i'm going to add something of = or < value.

I try to keep it under the limit, however, with Tau weapons being so odd (a 4 point Flamer, 12 Point Missile Pod, 3 Point EMP Grenades, 3 Point Blacksun Filters, 21 Point Kroot Shapers... the damn list goes on) I'd probably be one point over in some cases.