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BeRzErKeR wrote:ALL OVVA

My 2+ year old nephew actually pronounces ‘all over’ like this, with the giant emphasis included!

Kilkrazy wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:I always wondered why the Eldar look upon the Imperium with such haughtiness, considering the Imperium controls like 80% of the galaxy while the Eldar have a few ships floating around, and if the the Imperium ever seriously wanted to make the Eldar extinct it could do it. You'd think the Eldar in their infinite wisdom would understand that their time in the spotlight as failed, whereas humanities actions pretty much affect the entire galaxy.

Games Workshop wrote:Humanity teeters on the brink of extinction, assailed on all sides by aliens, traitors and Daemons, and only the superhuman strength of the Space Marines and the uncountable numbers of the Imperial Guard stand between the slavering alien hordes and total annihilation.

The Craftworlds have about twenty+ worlds left in their empire. The Imperium has over a million.

How is your quote relevant to my point?

BlaxicanX wrote:The Craftworlds have about twenty+ worlds left in their empire. The Imperium has over a million.
How is your quote relevant to my point?

Because Mankind is now on defensive, trying to survive the endless tides of it's enemies while having to struggle with corruption in it's own ranks.
Her point is that Imperium doesn't have the strength to exterminate anyone, witch is true because it is fighting more then a dozen enemies at the same time.
But in the same time our enemies lack the strength to overcome us becasue they are alos fighting everyone else. Imperium is saved for being single most unified faction in the galaxy.
And Eldar also have unknown number of Exodite worlds in the galaxy, former colonies left after the fall of Eldar homeworlds.

I always assumed the Imperium survived because all of it's enemies were fighting eachother. Here's how it works with the big 3.

Chaos defeats Necrons
Necrons defeats Tyranids
Tyranids defeats Chaos

If any single one of those forces were removed the Imperium would die because one would gain more power. Say Chaos died out. Then all the Necrons wake up simultaneously with all sorts a crazy power and kill everything.

Anyway...I just realized that this question is basically pointless because ( as in over 90% of all sci-fi ) main story is based around Humanity. Even more if you take in account that only Xeno races that would care to document so far are Eldar ( both ), Tau and Necrons ( but we can exclude then since only Trayzn knows about Imperium history ) .

It was just a little side thought I had, not my fault if it showed you your Imperium isn't as great as you think it is

It is.

Outnumbered and outgunned Imperium still endures and even conquer some territory here and there.

And when the Emperor returns one day it will rise again...

On the serious side, when they lose some territory and they have less to defend they will became much stronger then they are now. Simply because their army's won't be as stretched as they are now.

The imperium could be as great as it thinks it is, but it would require a resizing and for a potentially false theory to come true

When the Emperor dies:
Chaos is supposed to expand over most, if not all of the existing Imperium,
The Emperor will supposedly be reborn.
If those thing happen, the most reasonable outcome would be a new crusade against Chaos that reforms the Imperium and ends in the same stalemate as there is now. The Imperium has nowhere to go but up.

Squidmanlolz wrote:
If those thing happen, the most reasonable outcome would be a new crusade against Chaos that reforms the Imperium and ends in the same stalemate as there is now. The Imperium has nowhere to go but up.

Uh... if that happened Emperor will return more powerful then he was before Heresy ( all those souls taking and praying makes him stronger in all due time ), some people even say that he will be as powerful as any Chaos God. And if he really returns and start a new Great Crusade, his sons will be with him ( Khan, Vulcan, Russ, Guiliman, Lion, Corax ) and I am sure he will make his new Legions to be as resistant as Grey knights + Sisters when it comes to Chaos Corruption.

Of course - we will never know that because 40k will never end. At least we can dream about it, right

Or maybe at the moment of death He sends a psychic warning to His past self, piercing space and time by draining the life force of His believers just to warn His past self of what would happen. If that happens, the Emperor would avoid the mistakes that led to the current nightmare. No Council of Terra, no Edicts of Nikaea, no antagonizing of the Primarchs. Hey, we could have entirely new history.

Tadashi wrote:Or maybe at the moment of death He sends a psychic warning to His past self, piercing space and time by draining the life force of His believers just to warn His past self of what would happen. If that happens, the Emperor would avoid the mistakes that led to the current nightmare. No Council of Terra, no Edicts of Nikaea, no antagonizing of the Primarchs. Hey, we could have entirely new history.

Or maybe the emperor isn't Raiden but in all seriousness the emperor could just as easily not come back once he dies, just become a minor god in the warp. The imperium would have a brief period of being nommed by daemons and heretics, but due to the suppression of the news by the HLoT, they will still have faith as a shield and they will be hurt but not killed

I don't know. Fluff states that even before the Fall of the Eldar, the three elder Chaos Powers drew more power from Mankind's negative aspects than from other sentient species in the galaxy, and that Mankind's unstable psyche actually gives them greater influence in the Warp than even the Eldar. Since the Emperor does the same from Mankind's positive aspects, He'll probably be a major god.

But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

Tadashi wrote:I don't know. Fluff states that even before the Fall of the Eldar, the three elder Chaos Powers drew more power from Mankind's negative aspects than from other sentient species in the galaxy, and that Mankind's unstable psyche actually gives them greater influence in the Warp than even the Eldar. Since the Emperor does the same from Mankind's positive aspects, He'll probably be a major god.

You assume that the Human Emperor draws strenght from his believers but we only know that the chaos gods, which are entirely different to a conglomerate of souls, can do so.

But at this point the Big E is basically just a collection of souls

BlaxicanX wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

BlaxicanX wrote:I always wondered why the Eldar look upon the Imperium with such haughtiness, considering the Imperium controls like 80% of the galaxy while the Eldar have a few ships floating around, and if the the Imperium ever seriously wanted to make the Eldar extinct it could do it. You'd think the Eldar in their infinite wisdom would understand that their time in the spotlight as failed, whereas humanities actions pretty much affect the entire galaxy.

Games Workshop wrote:Humanity teeters on the brink of extinction, assailed on all sides by aliens, traitors and Daemons, and only the superhuman strength of the Space Marines and the uncountable numbers of the Imperial Guard stand between the slavering alien hordes and total annihilation.

The Craftworlds have about twenty+ worlds left in their empire. The Imperium has over a million.

How is your quote relevant to my point?

It shows that fluff is nonsense.

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

Fair enough, can't say I'm exactly an expert on the Eldar gods though

Tadashi wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

The C'tan weren't exactly negative gods either, they were just opposite the Old Ones, similar to the way the Emperor stands against the Chaos gods, there's nothing stopping the Emperor from becoming a god.


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Tadashi wrote:Or maybe at the moment of death He sends a psychic warning to His past self, piercing space and time by draining the life force of His believers just to warn His past self of what would happen. If that happens, the Emperor would avoid the mistakes that led to the current nightmare. No Council of Terra, no Edicts of Nikaea, no antagonizing of the Primarchs. Hey, we could have entirely new history.

That sounds like more work than GWs staff is used to... or capable of

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

The C'tan weren't exactly negative gods either, they were just opposite the Old Ones, similar to the way the Emperor stands against the Chaos gods, there's nothing stopping the Emperor from becoming a god.

I'd say that gods of death and douchebaggery are bad gods, just sayin

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

The C'tan weren't exactly negative gods either, they were just opposite the Old Ones, similar to the way the Emperor stands against the Chaos gods, there's nothing stopping the Emperor from becoming a god.

I'd say that gods of death and douchebaggery are bad gods, just sayin

There were "bad apples" but there were a good number of C'tan before the Nightbringer was Deceived, It's hard to say all of them were evil when there are so few (four, if I remember) left in existance.

Squidmanlolz wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

The C'tan weren't exactly negative gods either, they were just opposite the Old Ones, similar to the way the Emperor stands against the Chaos gods, there's nothing stopping the Emperor from becoming a god.

I'd say that gods of death and douchebaggery are bad gods, just sayin

There were "bad apples" but there were a good number of C'tan before the Nightbringer was Deceived, It's hard to say all of them were evil when there are so few (four, if I remember) left in existance.

Out of the four left, one is Death, one is Insanity, one is Trickery, and I can't remember the other one. And yeah we are going by old fluff

You guys realize the people that supported the Star Child theory were Tzeentch cultists and that the theory that he'll die and become a god is viewed as heretical by the Imperium itself?

Teh books are the better source than other users.

Star Child has a grain of truth. The Emperor did cast part of Himself when He destroyed Horus. He didn't say if it would rejoin Him, but He did mention it offered and kept open another path to Mankind's future.

Another path could easily be a lot of stuff. Just because he says that it might do something doesn't mean he will become a god

Also the C'tan can't be used as examples because they are gods in a different sense. They aren't warp gods, they're materium gods, so they aren't born of emotions

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:

Tadashi wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:But seeing as there are no other postitive chaos gods, i don't know if he'll even exist as a god

The Eldar gods were positive gods, so it's not outside the realms of possibility that the Emperor can become a god.

The C'tan weren't exactly negative gods either, they were just opposite the Old Ones, similar to the way the Emperor stands against the Chaos gods, there's nothing stopping the Emperor from becoming a god.

I'd say that gods of death and douchebaggery are bad gods, just sayin

There were "bad apples" but there were a good number of C'tan before the Nightbringer was Deceived, It's hard to say all of them were evil when there are so few (four, if I remember) left in existance.

Out of the four left, one is Death, one is Insanity, one is Trickery, and I can't remember the other one. And yeah we are going by old fluff

Fourth is the Void Dragon, so Technology? Property of the Imperium of Man.

Thats it. But anyway, like I said before, the C'tan arent influenced by emotion, cuz they arent warp gods

They're materium gods, with the same degree of mastery over the material universe as the gods have over the warp.