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[Post New] 2012/01/18 12:14:07
    Subject: Re:Which Primarch was the most Tactically Gifted?
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Pilau Rice wrote:I would say that all the a fairly decent grasp of tactics, war was what the Emperor created them for. Each was special in a certain situation.


I agree here, that all had a firm grasp on Tactics and War, some were good at one thing better than others

so let go through their possible specialities in my opinion

Angron - Assault
Dorn - Fortification and Defences
Perturabo - Siegecraft
Alpharius/Omegon - Infiltration and Espionage
Girlyman - Logistics and Planning
Jaghati Khan - Speed
Corax - Surprise
Ferrus Mannus - Mechanics and Metalworking
Vulcan - Blacksmithing and Pyrotec
Leman Russ - Assault, Tactician, Brotherhood ( Wolf Pack ) Mentality
Horus Lupercal - Charisma, Diplomacy, Politics, Planning
Conrad Curze - ?
Sanguinius - Flight, Diplomacy,
Lion El Johnson - Tactician, Brotherhood Mentality
Lorgar - Manipulation, Charisma, Psyker
Magnus - Psyker
Fulgrim - ?
Mortarion - Determination

Some I have tried to think of but cant quite put my finger on anything concrete plese feel free to expand on the above list, I may have things wrong but this is my opinion.

Perhaps someone could offer their own List?

I think the top spot is tied, but I think that if you gave Leman Russ or The Lion a problem to sort out they would be the best to succeed without any problem


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[Post New] 2012/01/18 15:59:37
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Angron - Assault
Dorn - Fortification and Defences
Perturabo - Siegecraft
Alpharius/Omegon - Infiltration and Espionage
Guilliman - Logistics and Planning, Numbers
Jaghati Khan - Speed
Corax - Surprise
Ferrus Mannus - Mechanics and Metalworking
Vulcan - Unbreakable will, Stalwart
Leman Russ - Assault, Tactician, Brotherhood ( Wolf Pack ) Mentality, "Astartes Killers", Terror
Horus Lupercal - Charisma, Diplomacy, Politics, Planning
Conrad Curze - Shock and awe or Terror tactics
Sanguinius - Flight, Diplomacy,
Lion El Johnson - Tactician, Brotherhood Mentality
Lorgar - Manipulation, Charisma, Psyker, Sheer Numbers
Magnus - Psyker
Fulgrim - Righteousness
Mortarion - Determination

Added a bit here and there.
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[Post New] 2012/01/18 16:00:57
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Curze was terror tactics.
Shock and awe was more Russ' and Anrgon's department...
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[Post New] 2012/01/19 09:55:10
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Seems like have of the list deal with actual war tactics and the other haft deal with characteristics/emotions..odd
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[Post New] 2012/01/19 10:28:55
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Tiarna Fuilteach wrote:Seems like have of the list deal with actual war tactics and the other haft deal with characteristics/emotions..odd


This would indicate that more thought from the GW writers has been put into making some Primarchs 'Special Abilities' stand out more than others, such as Girlyman, Russ and Dorn to name but a few.

I stand by my original comment...

[quote81Northman]I think the top spot is tied, but I think that if you gave Leman Russ or The Lion a problem to sort out they would be the best to succeed without any problem
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[Post New] 2012/01/19 10:33:25
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Regarding tactics, Fulgrim would be an Elitist- all of his units trained to be the best at everything rather than just one aspect.

As for who could take a planet with the least loss of life, Kurze is a clear winner, since he could force surrenders by announcing his legion's presence. In battle though, Alpharius wins. He let an enemy dig in just so he could take them apart, and lost almost no one in the war.
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[Post New] 2012/01/19 14:49:05
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I was always of the impression that guilman was more a logistical genius than a real tactical one. He would mainly win because when it came to fighting his troops would be the best supplied. Handling things like that makes a huge difference.

Personally I think the title of best tactician would be the Lion. cold calculating and brutal. That is the way of tactics. Its not the best for keeping an empire happy, but winning a campaign under any circumstances its what is needed. The only time it will go wrong is if the opponent does something so ludicrously illogical that no countermeasure was considered, and the only enemies who might do that is orks.
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[Post New] 2012/01/19 21:22:57
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Can I just add that Lorgar would be Faith, Charisma and Determination.
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