Necron Mars raid - is it still valid or not?

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**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Harriticus wrote:
The latest White Dwarf listed Void Dragon among the C'tan Shards. He's a pitiful slave to some Dynasty.

What's the actual quote though? I've only seen it on here, and the context wasn't really given. It would presumably still be unknown how much of it is imprisoned if it was in fact shattered anyway.

Voodoo_Chile wrote:Any idea what the speed of the Tyranid Hive fleets are?

Slower than most (admittedly Warp-based) faster-than-light travel but safer. I'd kind of expect him to have to see the Tyranids in action first to see how they act before realising their threat though.

**Thatguy91**

The silent King COULDN'T use FTL travel as he probably didnt have access to a Dolmen gate. They are probably similar to webway portals.

The fact remains that the necrons have access to and make use of FTL travel that is faster than any other race. The fact remains that they are still the most technologically advanced race in the 40k universe. If i remember the story about mars correctly, i believe that the ships were cloaked and went by unnoticed until they were within range of mars planetary defense systems. Seems more than likely. I think this thread is running on fumes. Just accept that the way you think about the necrons is wrong according to fluff.

**SomeRandomEvilGuy**

Thatguy91 wrote: If i remember the story about mars correctly, i believe that the ships were cloaked and went by unnoticed until they were within range of mars planetary defense systems. Seems more than likely. I think this thread is running on fumes. Just accept that the way you think about the necrons is wrong according to fluff.

I think the problem is that the new Codex doesn't really mention the naval capacities of the Necrons, so it's harder to judge if they're still supposed to dominate space.

**Celtic Strike**

I just have to chime in here and say that I think the Mars raid still happened. Just with a new point of view, they were careful enough to list some c'tan as still being out in the universe so as not to contradict the older fluff.

They also mention that there is a tomb world that was damaged by the long sleep and turned all those within into mindless automotons, once again to keep with the old fluff. Theyalso stated that while sanctuary 101 wasn't the imperiums first contact with the necrons, it was the first time the IOM had put two and two together and realized what was going on.

Assume that the damaged tomb world was the one that did a lot of the initial fighting and the new dynasties are only coming online more recently, coupled with increased imperial information gathering and exposure, only a tiny bit of the fluff is contradicted.

Also boa, don't rhuin this thread like I'm sure you ruin every party you go to but are not invited to. Haha

**Dytalus**

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:
Thatguy91 wrote: If i remember the story about mars correctly, i believe that the ships were cloaked and went by unnoticed until they were within range of mars planetary defense systems. Seems more than likely. I think this thread is running on fumes. Just accept that the way you think about the necrons is wrong according to fluff.

I think the problem is that the new Codex doesn't really mention the naval capacities of the Necrons, so it's harder to judge if they're still supposed to dominate space.

This. We don't have enough information to go by. There's only one mention of a Necron fleet at all, being ambushed by a Black Templar fleet (which IIRC, are some of the largest fleets in the Imperium due to the BTs being all conquery and crusadey). In the old Codex, there was a whole page (and little snippets throughout) dedicated to Necron ships. All we have now is one paragraph on their combat abilities, and a snippet on Dolmen Gates.

**BlaxicanX**

Honestly? The webway sucks ass. =\

Instantaneous travel is all well and good, but when you take into consideration that only the main arteries of the webway are large enough to carry any decent sized ships, and that it only covers so much of the galaxy, and is infested with dead ends, demons/monsters and other random space/time gak, it really loses its appeal and sense of practicality. The waarp sucks as travel to though, really.

More proof that the Tau will conquer all in the end. Once they develop decent FTL it's game over for the other races. :8

**Jon Garrett**

OK, someone correct me if I'm wrong here...

The Doleman Gates allow access to a small, local chunk of the Webway (since the Webway is a mess now, and the Necrons can't go too far without the Webway itself trying to murder them). These things are described as living stone gates.

So how do the Necrons get out again? Living stone gates do not sound like something they can haul around with them and use to get back out. Equally, they can't have set up Doleman Gates within the Webway - the Webway would smash them.

Does that mean the Necrons are limited to getting out where A) Another Doleman Gate is active or B) a normal Webway portal? Because if they are the raid on Mars can't happen. There isn't either in the Sol System.

**Jaon**

AegisGrimm wrote:Chaos has to become ascendant in 6ed because that's the only other way to field Space Marines! Without Space marines versus Space marines, you basically can't play 40K!

I think you'd find that in current GW fluff style, even had the Necrons stayed the mechanical terrors they used to be, the days of reading about Space marines losing a fight in any form are about done. They would have found some sort of goofy weakness that the Necrons in their "pride of superiority" missed, ala the Death Star's vent.

Even though I haven't read all of the new codex, my way of being happy about Necrons ( I play them from time to time) is to take the new fluff style of lords (and maybe the Crypteks), and ignore the rest and go back to the 3-4ed version of the fluff. They are just the overminds guiding the horde. In effect, mechanical tyranids. Maybe the Ctan shards are just small portions of the few that are left. They send pieces of their consciousness between all the awakening tomb-worlds as observers of 'the master plan', rather than some giant god-like entity on a single battlefield, that in all likelihood by the old fluff, would require Apocolypse games where they can have fun killing titans by themselves.

A good post, this is how I live with playing Grey Knights.

The fluff in the codex has nothing to do with the Knights on my table.