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A joke? We're too serious here for jokes my good sir (or madame)

It is indeed sir, and you challenge my very honour good sir. I challenge you to a duel. LQL.

Joey wrote:Irenicus.

Currently at work or I would post his soliloquy from the tree of life...bloody epic.
You can tell whoever wrote his charector had actually read books rather than just watched action films and going "hey let's make this bad guy as bad-ass as possible so everyone knows he's evil!".

+9000 internets.

Montykarl wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Shepard is the protagonist. It's pretty much impossible for him to be the villain (which is actually a separate issue from being a "bad guy")

Exactly, the protagonist cannot be the antagonist

To note an example, the anime/manga series Death Note has a person who is decidedly a villain as the protagonist, following what is essentially a mass murderer throughout his rise and fall. The antagonist winds up being a number of detectives working to find him.

Also, renegade Shepard is not a bad guy, it's just an hero who acts like an donkey-cave and does the mission for personal gain or revenge.

Illusive Man - Mass Effect 2/3

This probably makes me a moron, but G-Man from Half Life.

More from Mafia 2 (DLC: Joe's Adventure).

Rocco. rival to Eddie Scarpa despite being a member of the same family. he tricked Joe to do his bidding without being aware that Rocco plans a Coup d'Etat against Eddie (the then Caporegime). only in the quest "The Cathouse" (=^,^=) did Joe aware of this treachery. but it's almost late. he and Eddie is surrounded by the traitors, player (being Joe) must escape with Eddy and pursue Rocco and the traitors.

Locclo wrote:

Montykarl wrote:

LordofHats wrote:Shepard is the protagonist. It's pretty much impossible for him to be the villain (which is actually a separate issue from being a "bad guy")

Exactly, the protagonist cannot be the antagonist

To note an example, the anime/manga series Death Note has a person who is decidedly a villain as the protagonist, following what is essentially a mass murderer throughout his rise and fall. The antagonist winds up being a number of detectives working to find him.

Also, renegade Shepard is not a bad guy, it's just an hero who acts like an donkey-cave and does the mission for personal gain or revenge.

I didn't think of that. You are totally right, the thread should have been favorite antagonist instead of favorite villian

Seconded.

Kefka, Kerrigan, and Kessler sit at the top.

Second tier is Alma, and Lance Vance.

Third is Combine and Ares.

Frank Horrigan says hi btw.

moom241 wrote:This probably makes me a moron, but G-Man from Half Life.

I always thought the G-Man was a cool bad guy...you always knew he was evil, but you never actually know what his agenda is/was

Mutoid Man

What's not to love about a giant cyborg who can shoot lasers from his eyes, who can survive multiple dismemberment and decapitation and who, when he explodes, morphs into a head on tank treads?

Galdos wrote:
Arthas from Warcraft 3 (Not to be mistaken with WoW Arthas)...

Illidan from WC3 and I guess wow(blizzard underplayed him in WoW) was a straight up badass with a good heart! He was all about protecting his brother and his brother's partner at any costs. Sometimes the costs were just too much thus he's a badguy :(

And Gladus (I haven't seen the name spelled before, bite me) from portal. Probably one of the most funny/entertainning villians to watch/fight. It was likethe first time watching Heath Leadger playing the Joker.

Illidan is my #1 cause he was argueably the strongest person in Azeroth, and he was a good guy trapped in a badguys body.
Followed closely by gladus for sheer enjoyment

It's Glados...
Knowing is half the battle...
The other half is extreme and ruthless application of deadly force.

dogma wrote:Kefka, Kerrigan, and Kessler sit at the top.

Second tier is Alma, and Lance Vance.

Third is Combine and Ares.

Alma Wade?


Also, to those who say that the Protagonist cannot also be the Antagonist, couldn't Isaac Clarke be considered both? He is the protagonist, but he, in his very fragile state of mind, is also the games last boss.

Slarg232 wrote:Also, to those who say that the Protagonist cannot also be the Antagonist, couldn't Isaac Clarke be considered both? He is the protagonist, but he, in his very fragile state of mind, is also the games last boss.

Antagonists/Protagonists aren't necessarily characters in and of themselves. Think of a disaster movie. The protagonist is the scientist trying to save everyone, and the antagonist is the tsunami (one could also argue the tsunami has limited character).

Isaac Clarke amounts to a Man vs Self story and he has two sides. The crazy part of him is the antagonist and the human part is the protagonist. So yeah, he is effectively serving both, but the distinction in his roles is important as they each have their own characters, basically characters within a character (like most rules in fiction, the antagonist and protagonist aren't set in stone).

There innumerous 'theories of narrative' hell even Aristotle wrote some...
They basically call for an upset of some kind usually caused by 2 characters clashing. Which is an antagonist and which is protagonist can be fairly well debated in almost every case...
It is possible for a character to serve more than 1 function.

Hitler in COD2.

Hitler in Wolfenstein 3D. Thank God we stopped real-life Hitler before he completed work on that mech suit.

purplefood wrote:It's Glados...
Knowing is half the battle...
The other half is extreme and ruthless application of deadly force.

Technically it's GLaDOS, as the name is an acronym...

Slarg232 wrote:
Alma Wade?

Yep.

LordofHats wrote:
Antagonists/Protagonists aren't necessarily characters in and of themselves. Think of a disaster movie. The protagonist is the scientist trying to save everyone, and the antagonist is the tsunami (one could also argue the tsunami has limited character).

Villains aren't necessarily antagonists either.

dogma wrote:Villains aren't necessarily antagonists either.

Well, if we're using the technical definition of villain, then its just a douche bag (though most commonly the villain is the antagonist unless he/she is an anti-hero). Most people when using the world villain though are using it in place of antagonist.

Sephiroth gets my vote for favorite villain. Beyond being visually interesting and fairly well written, his actions and his role within the narrative made his defeat feel very personal. Pummeling him with an Omnislash in the game's final moments was tremendously satisfying, and to me that's the mark of a great villain.

GlaDOS gets an honorable mention, even though I think of her as less of an antagonist and more of a weird traveling companion who is trying to kill me.

Finally, the Shadowlord from Nier, while not particularly memorable for his appearance or dialog, has incredible narrative framework surrounding him. Once you finally understand his motivations, it's impossible to feel good about defeating him.

SkaerKrow wrote:Sephiroth gets my vote for favorite villain. Beyond being visually interesting and fairly well written, his actions and his role within the narrative made his defeat feel very personal. Pummeling him with an Omnislash in the game's final moments was tremendously satisfying, and to me that's the mark of a great villain.

And don't forget his theme song.

CuddlySquig wrote:Mutoid Man

What's not to love about a giant cyborg who can shoot lasers from his eyes, who can survive multiple dismemberment and decapitation and who, when he explodes, morphs into a head on tank treads?

Awesome awesome game. I got this on mame and just love it. I love the announcer in the game "Good luck.....you'll need it"


Fav villain hum Raho from Hokuto no Ken the Arcade game





sephiroth from FFVII and Kefka from FFVI. Bowser, Mother Brain and this guy for the best meme ever

purplefood wrote:It's Glados...
Knowing is half the battle...
The other half is extreme and ruthless application of deadly force.

Good answer, wish I'd thought of her.

I must be one of the few who didn't really care for Glados. I never felt threatened by her TBH, but she was pretty funny now and then but aside from comedic value she never offered much for me. Also I guess I should mention I think the Portal franchise is perhaps one of most overrated series right now. Some people make it out to be the end-all-be-all of puzzlin' and storytellin' I just don't see it :/

It's still and excellent series though!

Luca Blight the mad Prince of the Highland from Suikoden 2,

Um...the rat mini bosses from the battletoads arcade game-you have to knock them out by grabbing their junk and giving them the most BA sacktap of all time. Now THOSE are mini bosses.