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I don't know, I have very little Ork background knowledge. I assume Khorne gets his power from bloodshed, so eventually he'd become pretty damn powerful.

I can believe Isha shivving Nurgle, that was the image I had in mind.

I think it is stated in Eldar lore that a new Eldar God would be created, which is why I imagine the Chaos God(s) taking a bit of a raping from him/her.

As for the Emperor...
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100620022952/warhammer40k/images/3/3f/Emperor_VS_Horus.jpg
This image just conveys so much utter kickassery, in his human form no less, that as a true God he'd give Slaanesh an anal pounding even he/she wouldn't enjoy.

Khorne gets power from bloodshed and war.

Gork and Mork do too, as war is a big part of being orky., and Orks spend far more time fighting and otherwise being orky than humans do, and outnumber them...

Gork and Mork have explicitly been said to be able to shrug off the attacks of other gods with a laugh, and to be too powerful to ever truly defeat. We can presume that the other powers have tried it before, given the statement that it doesn't work, and the most likely contender for trying is Khorne, as he solves everything with his biceps, metaphorically speaking.

As Khorne is not the type to fight half-heartedly, and Gork and Mork are still around, we can assume he lost

Problem with Isha shivving Nurgle is that Nurgle is orders of magnitude more powerful than her, and Nurgle's speciality is toughness. Isha was also a non-warlike goddess, so not much for open battle, and Nurgle isn't likely to give her a free stab

The new Eldar deity is Ynead IIRC. Supposed to be able to kill Slaanesh, but Slaanesh isn't exactly the combat bunny of the Big 4 either. One on one he might kill a Chaos Power, but remember that one Chaos Power (Slaanesh) took out the whole Eldar PANTHEON by herself, barring Isha and the Laughing God, so Ynead would have to be uber powerful. IIRC there isn't much info on Ynead, or how potent he would be, but even assuming he could take Slaanesh one on one, he'd still take a vigorous roto-rooting if the other three joined in (which they might, or not, at their whim..)

The Emperor was badass, yes, and took down Horus after a brutal fight. The more recent fluff sources don't go into the fact that he got his arm ripped off, his eye put out etc, but i like that kind of detail The older fluff also had him using the last iota of his fading life force to nuke Horus IIRC, rather than it being a Roflstomp, but the BL is basically the Adeptus Propagandum for the IOM

The Emperor as a God might have the same level of power as one of the 4, maybe even a tad more, but again, all four would make him be the one on the receiving end, if they came together (NPI ) .


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P.S. love that pic, as it makes Horus look utterly badass too..

I also like the older one with Horus having paired Lightning Claws.

Ascalam wrote:How would 2 gods specifically stated as being able to shrug off the attacks of other gods with a laugh be mutua-gibbed by one god that can't hurt them enough to defeat them. They are stated as being so strong they can never be defeated.

I can see Isha shivving Nurgle in his sleep, and making a getaway from her taste-tester duties, but Nurgle would have to..sleep..first Khaine would have to reunite from his many avatars to become and actual God again. Ynead maybe

The only way Tzeentch would be completely defeated is if he wanted to

You are also assuming the Emperor could actually roflstomp them on their own plane. Even if he was a newborn God, with power drawn from all humanity, i doubt he could take a gangbang from all four chaos powers, especially since they also draw their power from all humanity

Well the Emperor would definitely be able to curb-stomp them in the materium, but I get what you mean.

And Mork/Gork could be defeated. The GC was steamrolling everything, and even though they still existed in copious amounts, the ork population was decreasing, and would become quite small if the HH hadn't happened.

Maybe, maybe not. The Great crusade stretched across the galaxy, true, but didn't exactly fill in the gaps. I seem to recall the Big E almost being curbstomped by an Ork, and who's to say he was the baddest one out there

It's possible that it could have eventually wiped out the Orks. I'll not argue it one way or the other, as it never happened
Officially, in the fluff, G and M are too powerful to be defeated. I'm not sure that even killing off all the orks would do it, but it might.

Gork and Mork pay a lot of attention to their kiddies though, and watch their wars for entertainment. I get the feeling they would step in (or on...Foot of Gork!!!) if the orks were too hard pressed, rather than just letting them be wiped out

Ascalam wrote:Maybe, maybe not. The Great crusade stretched across the galaxy, true, but didn't exactly fill in the gaps. I seem to recall the Big E almost being curbstomped by an Ork, and who's to say he was the baddest one out there

It's possible that it could have eventually wiped out the Orks. I'll not argue it one way or the other, as it never happened
Officially, in the fluff, G and M are too powerful to be defeated. I'm not sure that even killing off all the orks would do it, but it might.

Gork and Mork pay a lot of attention to their kiddies though, and watch their wars for entertainment. I get the feeling they would step in (or on...Foot of Gork!!!) if the orks were too hard pressed, rather than just letting them be wiped out

Well they face the same problem the other gods face: Crossing into the materium. It was explained in Battle of the Fang that the materium is sentient, and actively seeks to repel extra dimensional intruders (hence why daemon do not simply trounce the entire galaxy) and that brute force is not able to penetrate, rather a certain finesse of warp craft is needed, hence rituals and sacrifices.

And with orks as their source of power...

Think of it this way. Artillery can readily destroy huge amounts of infantry (Gork and Mork can trounce lesser gods) but if the cannon runs out of ammo...

Fair enough

They have been known to directly interact though, via possessed Gargants and giant ectoplasmic feet

I'd imagine a zillion orks chanting

'Gorka Morka Gorka Morka ...' in unison would raise enough waagh energy to punch a hole, and if orks are anything, they are inventive. It's possible some wierdboy would be able to conjure up a rift.

Or they could just possess a couple of Warlords, Horus style and have them beat face but good..

Shrug. I doubt we'll ever find out

Ascalam wrote:Fair enough

They have been known to directly interact though, via possessed Gargants and giant ectoplasmic feet

I'd imagine a zillion orks chanting

'Gorka Morka Gorka Morka ...' in unison would raise enough waagh energy to punch a hole, and if orks are anything, they are inventive. It's possible some wierdboy would be able to conjure up a rift.

Or they could just possess a couple of Warlords, Horus style and have them beat face but good..

Shrug. I doubt we'll ever find out

Well aren't all gargants imbued by Mork and Gork already?

And I imagine screaming WAAAGH! would be as powerful as chanting Gorka Morka

And if orks are anything, they're choppy.

Also, it occures to me that after a certain fashion, all ork tech is blessed by their gods, since WAAAGH! energy= Gork/Mork and Gork/Mork=WAAAGH! energy, it is all powered by these two gods o.0 orks à la green omnissiah?

Orknissiah FTW.

Yeah, the Waaagh field is essentially the same stuff as the ork Gods are, pure Orkiness

Ascalam wrote:Orknissiah FTW.

Yeah, the Waaagh field is essentially the same stuff as the ork Gods are, pure Orkiness

"Pure Orkiness"

You may have just spawned an idea for the world's most awesome cologne name.

I haven't heard any of the older, gorier stuff about the battle between Horus and the Emperor. The earliest I've got is the 3rd edition rulebook, which gives some cool details, but noway near enough.

Really, all this depends on how the Gods (including the Emperor) would manifest their fight. I can't see the four Chaos Gods working together, and Gork and Mork would clearly be swinging left and right having the time of their lives. The only ones I think have a definite shot of winning are:
Ynead, Khaine and the Emperor (together, assuming the Imperium gets over their irrational fear of Psykers).
Tzneetch has been planning for an unnecessary amount of time, so he's got a shot.
Gork and Mork (as I've been informed) are damn powerful, so I guess they do.

Aside from them I can't see anyone else winning. The Tyranid Hive Mind would easily be outsmarted, the Tau have no God, so perhaps they'd pick a side, and the C'tan have a nasty habit of eating each other.

The chaos gods do occasionally work together.

They all empowered Horus, for example, and i could see them all taking on something powerful enough to destroy one of them outright, as it would ruin their Great Game to have some self-righteous a-hole whaling them on the back of the head with a baseball bat while they are playing Risk..

The Ctan are a non-entity in this fight., thanks to Ward having them shattered. Even if there were a couple of them whole, they have a hard time in the Warp, where the Gods are. They have power over the material universe in spades, but very little power in the Warp.

Oh really? I didn't know that about the C'tan. Haven't read up on Necrons in about a year.

OscarHracsO wrote:Oh really? I didn't know that about the C'tan. Haven't read up on Necrons in about a year.

Yeah, and also there is no sign of them eating each other any more either.

OscarHracsO wrote:I haven't heard any of the older, gorier stuff about the battle between Horus and the Emperor. The earliest I've got is the 3rd edition rulebook, which gives some cool details, but noway near enough.

Really, all this depends on how the Gods (including the Emperor) would manifest their fight. I can't see the four Chaos Gods working together, and Gork and Mork would clearly be swinging left and right having the time of their lives. The only ones I think have a definite shot of winning are:
Ynead, Khaine and the Emperor (together, assuming the Imperium gets over their irrational fear of Psykers).
Tzneetch has been planning for an unnecessary amount of time, so he's got a shot.
Gork and Mork (as I've been informed) are damn powerful, so I guess they do.

Aside from them I can't see anyone else winning. The Tyranid Hive Mind would easily be outsmarted, the Tau have no God, so perhaps they'd pick a side, and the C'tan have a nasty habit of eating each other.

Ynnead alone is supposed to be able to completely erase Slaanesh, and the Gods of Chaos, thus weakened, could be a target for the emperor. Either way, in any fight, Tzeentch wins, unless he wanted to lose.

Gork and Mork want to attack Tzeentch? great, he know about it before the dawn of time, and made plans so complex and winding they both die and turn into chuck norris and chuck norris' beard, respectively.

Why would Gork and Mork want to attack Tzeentch, when they can outfink 'im ....waiiit a minute

Ascalam wrote:Why would Gork and Mork want to attack Tzeentch, when they can outfink 'im ....waiiit a minute

Tzeentch accounted for that.

'All according to plan... '

Ascalam wrote:'Just as planned... '

Fixed

That too

I love it when a plan comes together... *lights cigar*..

As long as there is humanity, there will be Chaos. They are essentially parasites that are born from the darkest and most primitive depths of our psyche. So unless all of humanity is lobotomized or somehow soulbound together (Ordo Hydra?), Chaos will fray at the threads of our civilization until the whole thing unravels and ushers in a New Night. "Primordial Annihilator" is actually quite apt.

Omegus wrote:As long as there is humanity, there will be Chaos. They are essentially parasites that are born from the darkest and most primitive depths of our psyche. So unless all of humanity is lobotomized or somehow soulbound together (Ordo Hydra?), Chaos will fray at the threads of our civilization until the whole thing unravels and ushers in a New Night. "Primordial Annihilator" is actually quite apt.

Well since we know Ynnead is destined to destroy Slaanesh, that means the Chaos Gods can be destroyed. Chaos and the warp in and of itself is not humanities enemy, the gods of chaos are. Kill the gods, and chaos is no longer something to fear, merely a tool to be mastered (psykers, navigators)

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:As long as there is humanity, there will be Chaos. They are essentially parasites that are born from the darkest and most primitive depths of our psyche. So unless all of humanity is lobotomized or somehow soulbound together (Ordo Hydra?), Chaos will fray at the threads of our civilization until the whole thing unravels and ushers in a New Night. "Primordial Annihilator" is actually quite apt.

Well since we know Ynnead is destined to destroy Slaanesh, that means the Chaos Gods can be destroyed. Chaos and the warp in and of itself is not humanities enemy, the gods of chaos are. Kill the gods, and chaos is no longer something to fear, merely a tool to be mastered (psykers, navigators)

Since codex chaos demons you don't need to kill all 4, just 3 of them....

Wouldn't bet on 3 kills, but 1 kill and 2 splintered as breaking those "gods" is the new course of action ( seen with Eldar and Necrons ) should do it.

1hadhq wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:As long as there is humanity, there will be Chaos. They are essentially parasites that are born from the darkest and most primitive depths of our psyche. So unless all of humanity is lobotomized or somehow soulbound together (Ordo Hydra?), Chaos will fray at the threads of our civilization until the whole thing unravels and ushers in a New Night. "Primordial Annihilator" is actually quite apt.

Well since we know Ynnead is destined to destroy Slaanesh, that means the Chaos Gods can be destroyed. Chaos and the warp in and of itself is not humanities enemy, the gods of chaos are. Kill the gods, and chaos is no longer something to fear, merely a tool to be mastered (psykers, navigators)

Since codex chaos demons you don't need to kill all 4, just 3 of them....

Wouldn't bet on 3 kills, but 1 kill and 2 splintered as breaking those "gods" is the new course of action ( seen with Eldar and Necrons ) should do it.

Yeah, I think they could be killed

Ascalam wrote:Since the fluff is absolutely explicit that Gork and Mork are too powerful to be killed and that the Emperor is afraid of them, i'd say that they manifest, play pool with planets (kudos to anyone who gets that reference ) and pot Terra into the eye of terror, after a full sixpack of wicked-strength Lager

Hey a red dwarf reference lol

if you read th codeicses together and read the prophesies you can put a good picture of what the end game would be

GentlemanGuy wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Since the fluff is absolutely explicit that Gork and Mork are too powerful to be killed and that the Emperor is afraid of them, i'd say that they manifest, play pool with planets (kudos to anyone who gets that reference ) and pot Terra into the eye of terror, after a full sixpack of wicked-strength Lager

Hey a red dwarf reference lol

if you read th codeicses together and read the prophesies you can put a good picture of what the end game would be

I don't know, I read a lot of the prophesies and they tend to contradict each other.

WAAAAAAAAAGH!!!?

WAAAAGHHHH!

*nods*

Definitely WAAAAAGGHHHHH!

WAAAGHHHH! inbound, we're right fethed

Hah, your feeble Orks have NOTHING on my spider-ants!