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I'm amazed at how many people here are saying they love their washes.

There are so many amazing recipes out there for fantastic washes, that are 20-50x cheaper and you can make exactly what you want.

I use GW paints because that's what my local hobby store stocks, besides humbrol. Problem is, the paint rack is almost full of the older bottles, while only 3 or 4 being the new sort. Bought 5 pots a few days ago, and 2 were completely dried, 1 needed a good dash of water to become semi-useful. So if he doesn't restock when the new paints hit, I'll switch paints.

Aerethan wrote:People must be getting bad batches of Vallejo. All of mine are nice and thick except some of the older ones.

No, they're simply not shaking them enough. If Vallejo has one major weakness, it's the amount of effort it takes to properly shake them.

frozenwastes wrote:

Aerethan wrote:People must be getting bad batches of Vallejo. All of mine are nice and thick except some of the older ones.

No, they're simply not shaking them enough. If Vallejo has one major weakness, it's the amount of effort it takes to properly shake them.

I recently found this on the Vallejo website:

4.8. When I shake the Game Color paints thoroughly, before using, and then take off the cap, paint starts to bubble out of the top and goes to waste. Is there a solution to this problem?

Shaking the paint creates foam- the oxygen in the bottle (between cap and paint) mixes with the paint, and expands the volume, so that it bubbles over when you open the bottle. The correct way of mixing the product is rolling the bottle, between your hands, or on the table. But the foam will subside after a few minutes, and no harm is done.

I haven't tried this method (squeese and roll), so I'm curious if it works better than shaking.

People likes GW paints?

The only time I see people liking GW ( over ) other paints, are people that only ever tried GW paints.

15 years and counting. I still have 17.5ml pots of Bad Moon Yellow, Glistening Green, Amethyst Purple and Polished Blue. Washes of things like "Orc Flesh Wash" They are still perfect and I still use them. (Polished Blue is my default power weapon blade color, all the way from the Necromunda 1st release right up until models I have just bought ).

No, they're simply not shaking them enough. If Vallejo has one major weakness, it's the amount of effort it takes to properly shake them.

I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. I see that mine separate all the time into the color/grey layers. I've tried shaking my Bonewhite and several other shades until my arm gets tired. They sound like a bottle of water when I shake them, they are so thin, and always come out of the bottle that same consistency. Its like painting entirely with the old GW washes(the older highly pigmented ones). I'll try the rolling method, but I have my doubts.

I have been forced to use VMC Scurf Green for anything more in my fledgling Dark Eldar army, after Scaly Green was discontinued. I am so tired of dealing with it's thin consistency that when I found out that my bottle of VMC Hexed Lichen has the perfect (for my personal painting style, anyway) "GW" consistency, I have begun repainting my army in purple.

LunaHound wrote:People likes GW paints?

Yes, please read the thread and stop being obtuse.

Im another chap that only uses the washes and foundations paints, although much less of the latter, i always used to use soley GW paint.
As soon as i found vallejo, better containers and more paint, i made the switch, and ive never gone back.
I really hate the GW paint pots with a passion, as someone already mentioned, they seem designed to waste paint and they dont hold much paint anyway.

Hell yes on the GW pots. Worst design ever,and frankly, I think they know it but don't care enough to change them. The old 17.5 ml pots that I own are still perfect now. But if they made the design better, we'd waste less paint and not re-buy as much.

I found some Vallejo style bottles on The Warstore, they are 1/2 ounce (about 15ml) for .99cents. I think they would be worth every penny to buy them seperately and then switch over any of my GW paints (existing or yet to be bought) into them. I'll bet it would instantly make a pot of GW paint last ten times as long, especially in storage.

I like the GW paints, I agree that other paints do various things better, cheaper, faster, etc.

But I like GW paints because the colours are fairly bold, not too expensive and generally do a good job.

I mean it's not like GW make their paints by mixing various excreta together and pouring it into the little jars, they are good paints, maybe not the most amazing paints, but they are good,and you can do some rather amazing paintjobs with them, as proven in numerous examples), so they can't be that bad!

I dont particularly like GW paints in general , some I do , some I dont .

I find some lack pigment , and some are pretty good , but I buy more Vallejo and P3 than GW nowadays - part of the reason is that they keep discontinuing some of my favourites , I called in to buy some more Midnight Blue the other week ...didnt know that had been off the shelves for some time .

I have a good stock of Brazen Brass though....

GW Paints, are alright. Hate the pots though. Like the foundations and washes the most....although I've seen Les' (Awesomepaintjob) wash video about four times now and am tempted to order mats and make my own. I use alot of Vallejo Game Color though.

For me its availability. Where I'm at they only have GW in a good 90 mile radius. When I visit my parents (120 miles away mind you) there's one other shop I can go where they live that carries Vallejo Game. If I forget to make a want list before I leave I either forget a color I need or buy a second pot of a color. I don't like ordering new colors over the net that I haven't seen before, because their net representations are always a little off. P3 and Reaper are right out because of this, although I've wanting to try them.

biccat wrote:I recently found this on the Vallejo website:

4.8. When I shake the Game Color paints thoroughly, before using, and then take off the cap, paint starts to bubble out of the top and goes to waste. Is there a solution to this problem?

Shaking the paint creates foam- the oxygen in the bottle (between cap and paint) mixes with the paint, and expands the volume, so that it bubbles over when you open the bottle. The correct way of mixing the product is rolling the bottle, between your hands, or on the table. But the foam will subside after a few minutes, and no harm is done.

I haven't tried this method (squeese and roll), so I'm curious if it works better than shaking.

It might work ok for the thinner paints, but I can't see it working too well on their metals or greys and whites. They separate out completely, and can take some serious mixing to get back to a proper consistency.

AegisGrimm wrote:I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing. I see that mine separate all the time into the color/grey layers. I've tried shaking my Bonewhite and several other shades until my arm gets tired. They sound like a bottle of water when I shake them, they are so thin, and always come out of the bottle that same consistency.

This is one of the problems with the dropper bottles. Some of the Vallejo paints really need a good stir rather than a shake, as no amount of shaking mixes the gloopy mess at the bottom of the tube back in properly. But stirring is problematic with the tall, thin bottle. Adding a bead/ball bearing/whatever would probably help (I've heard numerous good reports on that approach with Vallejo paints) but I've found it easier just to buy other ranges for those paints that don't mix well. I much prefer the Coat D'Arms or P3 white over the Vallejo one.

- Edited by insaniak. How about after 3 pages of civil discussion we not try to stir up gak by questioning posters' motivations...? -

Trying again now, forgetting motivations, and just strictly commenting on "what good does it do" as the OP asked:

Obviously, to EVERYONE, it is clear that Citadel paints can do good, since there are countless examples of models painted well using those paints.


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Emerett wrote:I'm amazed at how many people here are saying they love their washes.

There are so many amazing recipes out there for fantastic washes, that are 20-50x cheaper and you can make exactly what you want.

Few responses to this. People value their time, they value convenience. A pre-made wash saves time and is much more convenient. Also, if someone doesn't want 64oz of washes, buying the necessary materials to make a few ounces of wash could end up being more expensive since inks and matte mediums and stuff comes in much larger sizes. But really I think it is mostly the convenience. The washes are great in what they can do, I don't think anyone would argue against that. Even if some other method is cheaper.

My favourite thing about Citadel is the fact they dont split much, even after months of not being used. Theres a few vallejo game colours that drive me up the wall with this.

Ive never tried that roll and squeeze technique tho, will give that a go.

biccat wrote:I recently found this on the Vallejo website:

4.8. When I shake the Game Color paints thoroughly, before using, and then take off the cap, paint starts to bubble out of the top and goes to waste. Is there a solution to this problem?

Shaking the paint creates foam- the oxygen in the bottle (between cap and paint) mixes with the paint, and expands the volume, so that it bubbles over when you open the bottle. The correct way of mixing the product is rolling the bottle, between your hands, or on the table. But the foam will subside after a few minutes, and no harm is done.

I haven't tried this method (squeese and roll), so I'm curious if it works better than shaking.

I gave it a go. Make sure your cap is tight. I'd give the cap a twist tighter before rolling it. You can get a pretty amazing speed going rolling them between your hands.

I'd love to try out Vallejo or P3 paints but, AFAIK, there are no stores around the Sydney CBD area that stock them. I could order them, sure, but I could also walk into my local GW store and buy the colour I want straight away.

Sounds like the new white is finally on the same competence level as Vallejos.

Must be a blessing to every fans out there xD

I like them because my local hobby store restocks it every week and it's just easy. But that's just me.