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The 'not-vulkan' I got from legendarion through cadwallon was great quality though. Had no trouble whatsoever when dealing with them but YMMV ofcourse
   
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Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.


Well that was a fun little read! Not sure where that person learnt to speak English but if seems the teacher had some anger problems...

   
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 Commander Cain wrote:
Mr Gutsy wrote:
Personally i would never deal with this company, the way i've seen them represented over on Frothers by either someone associated with the company or a rabid fanboy was more than enough to sour my opinion of them.

The fun starts on page 2 and dies down around page 15 or so. (NSFW language.)
http://frothersunite.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=35602&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

In my opinion having somebody promote your company while responding with language like that is just purely bad for business.


Well that was a fun little read! Not sure where that person learnt to speak English but if seems the teacher had some anger problems...


Oh my god that might be the funniest thread I have ever read. Instant classic.

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Regular Dakkanaut





They have some amazing minis over there. I think I am putting an order soon.

But does anyone know what is this model: http://www.cadwallon.com/en/shop/forgeworld/space-marines-fw/space-marine-captain-scale-detail? I mean, was it ever released by Forgeworld? It looks really sexy!

 
   
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Zealous Knight






the Netherlands

They did a bunch of busts and statuettes at that size a rather long time ago - this might be one. Not sure if this would be one, and not sure mods like an obvious recast posted

...at that price you'd almost get one for use as an actually good-looking sm statue
   
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Bolognesus wrote:
They did a bunch of busts and statuettes at that size a rather long time ago - this might be one. Not sure if this would be one, and not sure mods like an obvious recast posted

...at that price you'd almost get one for use as an actually good-looking sm statue


Well, it's definitely not a FW recast. FW has never made such a model -I checked it. It had rang a bell the first time I saw it, but now I am sure that this is a model of the captain from the dreadful Ultramarines movie. It's this guy: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Q-cGYk4DdZI/TbznWX73dlI/AAAAAAAAADM/MIt-Y5_wtV0/s640/sm23.jpg Captain Severus, which as far as I know was never put in production.

Still, a reasonably priced model considering its size!

 
   
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cornwall

lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?
   
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Probably.because this thread is about legendarions models and not the site that sells them
   
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That`s right. Who is recaster? Watch your tongue man!
I`m just sculpting.
Who sell it, why and for how much is not bothering me.

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cornwall

CURNOW wrote:lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?


Robbietobbie wrote:Probably.because this thread is about legendarions models and not the site that sells them


CURNOW wrote:lol angron on there for just over £26 ,why are we still alowing this to be advetised on here when its a recaster ?


Legendarion wrote:That`s right. Who is recaster? Watch your tongue man!
I`m just sculpting.
Who sell it, why and for how much is not bothering me.





right but most of the ones buy legendarion that are being sold on that site {and only that site} are ether copys of gw IP or a rip-off off Edouard Guitons concept sketches done for Rackham.
   
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the Netherlands

...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?
   
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Bolognesus wrote:
...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?


Inspiration is fine,

but you should be paying if you are making a mini right out of somebody's art (as Bombshell Babe's Patrick Keith is paying Matt Dixon to make minis based on his Dixon's Vixens cards)
it all depends how close they are going to look

 
   
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Zealous Knight






the Netherlands

That would have to be pretty much a 100% identical, but 3d representation (with many artwork styles more or less impossible actually).

I'm fine with you disliking that and wouldn't even comment on that, but Curnow made it sound as if the rackham inspired mini's were crossing some legal boundary (context!).

Frankly I'm sick and tired of white knights everywhere railing against what should be the essence of progress and innovation in creative industries so I'll certainly take the time to point out bullgak like that where it rears it's despicable head.
   
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Wow! What amazing figures! And the range of well executed but starkly different styles is fantastic!

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JSF wrote:... this is really quite an audacious move by GW, throwing out any pretext that this is a game and that its customers exist to do anything other than buy their overpriced products for the sake of it. The naked arrogance, greed and contempt for their audience is shocking.
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Bolognesus wrote:


Frankly I'm sick and tired of white knights everywhere railing against what should be the essence of progress and innovation in creative industries


I'm curious to know what do you consider to be the essence of progress in creative industries...

   
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Zealous Knight






the Netherlands

Building on the collected previous pieces of individual expression **just as those all have** - adding sometimes more, sometimes less innovation or variety - but still, offering another alternative to build on for the next guy. Sometimes more innovative than at other times - but thats the way creative stuff has always worked. As it should.
   
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cornwall

Bolognesus wrote:
...you do realize using someone else's concept for inspiration is generally AOK, right?


really its" AOK" is it ? i can understand if it was just influenced by the style of the artists work but just takeing the 2d artwork and shamlesly stealing the concept for your own 3d work is not " AOK" .



also as for ledgendarion saying that he is just a sculpter and has nothing to do with the shop smells fishy as the name of the shop is also the name of a game expansion from the origonal rackham game ? the IP for which is owned by cyanide games {who are aware of the IP infringement and are seaking legal advice acording to there forum http://www.confrontation-thegame.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&p=6538&sid=93334b97c3f3c0e1a150e7fa6b728c5c#p6538 }

seems strange that a sculpter who has no problem with making money from other peoples work wouldnt have anything to do with a shop makeing money from other peoples work {ie recast forgeworld etc} and thats not even getting started on the space marine sculpts.


so i know im not a legal expert but just from this you can see that these {maybe others i havnt found } are figures copyed from other artists work {whom im sure havnt licenced them ?m} so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...

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concept art by EDOUARD GUITON

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aparently origonal sculpt by legendarion

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concept art by EDOUARD GUITON

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aparently origonal sculpt by legendarion

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Original artwork by Didier Poli

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aparently origonal sculpt by legendarion

   
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Bolognesus wrote:
Building on the collected previous pieces of individual expression **just as those all have** - adding sometimes more, sometimes less innovation or variety - but still, offering another alternative to build on for the next guy. Sometimes more innovative than at other times - but thats the way creative stuff has always worked. As it should.


I can understand what you are trying to say... but not all creative stuff is born from building on top of others works... I can see it as a training exercise... to me there is a clear difference between original and copy and the former is the essence of progress IMO.

As for the topic in hand... I dont care about the issues others have with the IP and I'm more concerned about the sculpting techniques etc... the way I see it there are some nice sculpts in there.

   
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Zealous Knight






the Netherlands

 CURNOW wrote:
so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...



first of all, no need to shout - capitalization is generally restricted to the first letter of one's name. to get to the point: yes, by all means. I think the copyright protections I mentioned are more than adequate, and if my works are good enough, I'll earn some cash off of it on it's own merit. If someone else uses it for inspriation - or even closely emulates it - fine, seems my skills are appreciated and since I'm not stark raving insane, I don't feel the need to hoard any of my creations beyond the exclusive rights to production of the exact item (which means, no drawing with minor differences to something I drew, no sculpt virtually identical to one of mine - you know, the *actual* state of IP law; certainly for something which is primarily NOT considered *art* but just a commercial product. ) and the money I earn off of that.

if an artist, or a company wants to make the money for the models off of the look of that sketch for themselves they should make the model **themselves** which would also give quite enhanced protection against virtually identical sculpts.
This is GOOD because think about it - either way - that sculpt will, if demand is sufficient, hit the market as soon as possible. it encourages options, it encourages progress, it encourages **active** use of IP, instead of fething well just (I*&*() SITTING on it as many companies do nowadays and get away with, under already WAY too restrictive IP law.

Now one point I'll grant you (though certainly nothing to do with your frankly quite insane opinion the former) is the one concerning that name. In part at least, that is. see, that's blatantly outright copying of someone else's work. I **generally** don't like that.
At least, with a few exceptions. One of these is that one should not be able to claim protection on anything overly generic. now "legendarion" is not something you'll find in a dictionary, that's true (but then that would have been anything but a grey area, haha).
It is, or at least appears to me to be, a contraction of "legend" and the "-ion" or even "-arion" suffix used in many, many fantasy works to denote geographical areas; often, but certainly not always, nations, or to represent "factions" or the in-setting equivalent thereof.
I'm of two minds as to how generic this makes the name. Would using the name "legendarion" for a nation, faction, or geographical area in a fantasy novel be IP infringement? Well, that one's easy: this is a *resounding* NO. It's too generic, a little too "logical" for use in fantasy settings (and because of it's clear origins, not sufficiently unique and therefore a much lesser risk of consumer confusion - a VERY imporant criterium in this particular area (actually not so much in the drawings v. sculpts area, before you start to argue something which AFAIK [law student, though not anywhere near IP specializing] does not quite apply).
Okay, with that out of the way, there's the question of the use for *this* website.
now the use of those sculpts this sculptor made is, in itself, permissible (bear with me here, please - I know you'll be foaming at the mouth by now, but please do try ). However, because of previous imagery established by Rackham - now owned by Cyanide games if I understand correctly? - the use of this name compounds the risk of confusion as to who exactly is producing/selling this markedly without offering clear or convincing (let alone both ) justification (now if seller had, himself, also used this name in a setting for which he sold miniatures previously, the issue would turn yet another couple of shades of grey ) for doing so.
Basically the only realistic reason which can reasonably assumed for him to have used this name, and not, say "mytharion" (which actually sounds a damn sight better IMO, and will be a name my DnD players will learn to hate sooner rather than later now ) or something else is to profit off of someone else's brand - which is NOT permissible.
I therefore (without taking the time to dive into this further to see if I missed some BIG piece of justification) agree with you that use of that name is over the line, and should cease forthwith.
to pretend it's an issue even remotely like the inspiration/replication dispute you seem to so creatively invent one novel legal theory after another in in whichever way it suits you at that moment though, is laughable.
   
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cornwall

Yep perfectly entitled to your opinion but i think you mite find that you are in the minority on that one. ...

Cant quite see your reasoning behind my argument of replication being laughable. .. The original art was commissioned by and paid for by one company as 2d concept for a 3d work and just because it isn't currently in production dosent mean that another party has the legal right nor the moral right to copy that work exactly!
your whole argument seems to be based on the idea that if you want to copy somthing all you have to do is change it slightly and your good to go? But the problem is that he has reproduced the sculpts as exact copys of the original copy righted work (it's not like it's a piece of equipment that is designed on it's use and he was forced to have his design similar to another. .he deliberately chose to use another persons work as his! )

I really do hope that no one ever claims reward for any work you do or profits out of your hard work and skill without you having any say in the matter.
   
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Zealous Knight






the Netherlands

a three-dimensional object is by definition NOT an exact copy of a twodimensional sketch.
a detailed, technical drawing done from multiple perspectives can certainly be sufficiently detailed but that's because it's not really intended to be a 2d 'thing' on its own, it's intrinsically a *description* of that 3d object
as far as me being in a minority on the 2d drawing / 3d object thing, with a variation of the above included that includes most of the western professional legal community.

your whole fething premise is that he's "copying".
sorry, legally speaking, he is not. I don't care how much you like to scream and whine that he is; this is currently how this crap works. go check out ~100ish pages of chapterhouse case discussion in dakka discussions, with pretty much everyone working in the legal sector saying pretty much this, and a bunch of folks starting half their posts with "I might not have any legal training whatsoever, but *obviously*..." is arguing the other side - your part, here.

If you think the law should be different, argue *that*.
I agree, actually. I actually think many IP protection laws (not so much in this area) are way too broad, too protective, and too long in duration of said protection.
I'm sure we'll disagree there, also. Honestly, I don't really care much.

Hmm, funny. I'm reading your comment back now, and when discarding your *completely* bogus "copying" premise, there's really only this bit left (aside from calling you a fething idiot, but I believe I might have alluded to that previously )
I really do hope that no one ever claims reward for any work you do or profits out of your hard work and skill without you having any say in the matter.

Hi there. I see now you've just banged your head on a keyboard a bit without even bothering to read my last post - ***the one you're responding to***
Bolognesus wrote:
 CURNOW wrote:
so im sure BOLOGNESUS you would be fine with somone makeing money out of your work ?

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...



first of all, no need to shout - capitalization is generally restricted to the first letter of one's name. to get to the point: yes, by all means. I think the copyright protections I mentioned are more than adequate, and if my works are good enough, I'll earn some cash off of it on it's own merit. If someone else uses it for inspriation - or even closely emulates it - fine, seems my skills are appreciated and since I'm not stark raving insane, I don't feel the need to hoard any of my creations beyond the exclusive rights to production of the exact item (which means, no drawing with minor differences to something I drew, no sculpt virtually identical to one of mine - you know, the *actual* state of IP law; certainly for something which is primarily NOT considered *art* but just a commercial product. ) and the money I earn off of that.

But then again, actually taking the time to read would not really seem in your character anyway :|

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That's some nice handywork on the sculpts, i'm going to have to look into how to get my gimpy mitts on some of it.
(also, can we please have the fething IPR debacles in the discussion section -- with lawyery types or anyone who's at the very least has read MEP Engström's copyright reform book -- and not in the fething news section, it gets awfully old)


 
   
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 xcasex wrote:
That's some nice handywork on the sculpts, i'm going to have to look into how to get my gimpy mitts on some of it.
(also, can we please have the fething IPR debacles in the discussion section -- with lawyery types or anyone who's at the very least has read MEP Engström's copyright reform book -- and not in the fething news section, it gets awfully old)


They're probably just trying to get the thread shut down.

I do find some of the sculpts interesting to say the least, or amusing, can't decide.



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cornwall

Wow "fething idiot". ...nice. ...you seem very good at taking qrotes out of context. ..the you being in the minority thing i was talking about clearly wasnt about the description of whether a 2d object is a exact copy of a 3d object but on your whole opinion that profiting from other people work is moraly right.

Again with out "screaming and whining" that you seem to thing im doinh. .the sculpts that he has produced are specificly derived from someone elses work of which he has no legal right to use in a commercial venture. They were not acidently produced in parallel they were produced after the fact and copyed from concept sketches produced to aid the sculpt of figures by the copy right holder. And then sold by a company useing a well known name also heldunder copy right by the copying partys in an attempt to fool customers that they were buying the offical line of figures. .....amazing how i managed to type all that while "banging my head on the keyboard "
   
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CURNOW wrote:

Just searching the net for 10mins turned up these ...



That's some good PI work there Curnow, glad i saw that post. Was actually gonna say i like the faun mini.

It's pretty shocking really. This is on a whole 'nuther level to the chapter house thing. If Edourd Guiton/didier Poli did take action they would have a very strong case, as what you forget is that these disputes are settled on a case by case basis there are no hard and fast rules. Chapterhouse was more obviously just 'Inspired', these are just blatant ripoffs.

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 CURNOW wrote:
amazing how i managed to type all that while "banging my head on the keyboard "


Well, it would explain the atrocious use of the English language.

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cornwall

No that would be the Dyslexia manifesting as a difficulty with phonological awareness, phonological decoding, orthographic coding,
and the typing on a phone aswell i expect ...
   
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the Netherlands

 CURNOW wrote:
.... he has no legal right to use in a commercial venture...

And again, proving:
 CURNOW wrote:
...I know im not a legal expert...


As for the banging your head on the keyboard, that referred in it's entirety to the content, not any grammar/spelling/stylistic issues. Feth, it's a wargaming forum for crying out loud, I'm not expecting great literary performance anyway.
   
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while i am happy that i can finally get a sculpt of the Wolfen and the Goblin Undertaker, this guy really has overstepped the bounds on the Rackham IP...
when Legendarian posted the first couple sculpts on CMON he was told not to post them there, as CMON is distributing the Legends resins, as well as being in on the production for a reissue of the game...
if the sculpts had not crossed the line, he would have been cool..
they certainly didn't have a problem with the "not-Primarchs", especially as they carry Kabuki's versions

so basically, the guys trying to revive Rackham are pretty pissed off about this, and rightly so...
i'll still buy 'em when i get a chance, but when the C&D arrives i won't be surprised...

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