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Frazzled wrote:
I'd argue at least three countries are more important to the US than the UK as an ally, just off the top of my head: Canada, Mexico, and Brazil. I'd put the UK at in the top 10 maybe.

I think its trending that way, but the day hasn't quite arrived.

Mind you, I also think that it should trend that way, especially as regards Canada.

The colonies are surpassing the motherland.

Canada makes sense, Brazil is one for the future, but Mexico? Frazzled has advocated military action towards Mexico on a regular basis. It seems odd that he would consider them one of the US's closest allies.

It's also worth pointing out that the UK is the only one of those countries with a permanent seat on the UN security council, nuclear weapons, and the military capability to provide material assistance pretty much anywhere in the world, in addition to being the US' largest single investor.

Regardless, the old relationships ARE changing, no argument - the UK is starting to move closer to India (and to a lesser degree, China), which in my opinion is a good thing, particularly with Obama in the White House.

dogma wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
I'd argue at least three countries are more important to the US than the UK as an ally, just off the top of my head: Canada, Mexico, and Brazil. I'd put the UK at in the top 10 maybe.

I think its trending that way, but the day hasn't quite arrived.

Mind you, I also think that it should trend that way, especially as regards Canada.

The colonies are surpassing the motherland.

OH CANADUH LAND OF MY TIM HORTON'S DOOOONUTS!


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Albatross wrote:Canada makes sense, Brazil is one for the future, but Mexico? Frazzled has advocated military action towards Mexico on a regular basis. It seems odd that he would consider them one of the US's closest allies.

It's also worth pointing out that the UK is the only one of those countries with a permanent seat on the UN security council, nuclear weapons, and the military capability to provide material assistance pretty much anywhere in the world, in addition to being the US' largest single investor.

Regardless, the old relationships ARE changing, no argument - the UK is starting to move closer to India (and to a lesser degree, China), which in my opinion is a good thing, particularly with Obama in the White House.

Well in my defense we only had one war with Mexico. We had two with you guys.

Yeah, but we're not being torn apart by drug-wars right on your border...

Albatross wrote:Yeah, but we're not being torn apart by drug-wars right on your border...

True that.

Wouldn't it be refreshing, if the Federal government got its mits out of the illegal prison industrial complex and let the states decide whats illegal and whats legal.

Albatross wrote:
Regardless, the old relationships ARE changing, no argument - the UK is starting to move closer to India (and to a lesser degree, China), which in my opinion is a good thing, particularly with Obama in the White House.

But with your surplus of Sammy Braddy, all bets are off.

Albatross wrote:Yeah, but we're not being torn apart by drug-wars right on your border...

Which is a great way to say "not our problem."
Until we decide we want to add some states.

Manifest Destiny 2012, this time its vertical!

Albatross wrote:

Nevertheless, should the diplomatic row over the Falklands 'go hot', I can't see him remaining 'neutral' for very long, as for war to break out, Argentina would have to attack sovereign UK territory. I'm not saying that he'd commit troops or even offer material assistance, because I don't think he would, nor would the UK ask for, or want it, IMO. However, he'd definitely side with us, no question. He can't really afford to betray his biggest ally - that'd be a big black mark on his character in the eyes of the electorate. Well, outside of Boston, anyway.

Don't count on it.

Obama doesn't like the UK very much, and will have little personal motivator to come to our aid.
Second he wont get around the bugbear of 'Hispanic Vote', actually I do not think Hispanics in the US care about the 'Malvinas', but Obama has over the last four years mistrod so many times to avoid perceived cultural divisions in the US he has on many occasions overcompensated for factors that aren't there.
Third he will get less personal critique by sitting and reading the newspaper than doing things that will put him on the newspaper, and with Obama, what is good for Obama is what matters, everything else is a very distant second.

This is mitigated if Argentina attacks in a second term, which hints to a dwindling window of opportunity. If Argentina wanted to make a play they should have attacked in 2009, while we still had Gordon Brown and the US had Obama.

They don't have anywhere near the capability to mount a successful attack on the Falklands.

We do (and I'm in the army since 2005), we'd go, we'd see and we'd conquer... and after that we're crushed, but that's the next chapter.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! (gets popcorn). I'm just so thrilled when there's a conflict that doesn't involve the US.

In actuality there is a way to settle this, and settle it like manly men who do manly things. Battle it out on...IRON CHEF!

It is on!

Turn the stooves and oven on!

If it was down to cooking, the Brits dont have a fething chance

Huffy wrote:If it was down to cooking, the Brits dont have a fething chance

Well the Empire can draw on Chinese and Indian cuisine. Argentina has some excellent beef and a very interesting cuisine.

RUMBLE!!!

The best beef in the world vs fried fish and warm beer...

If that was the contest, then the island inhabitants would better start investing in some Spanish lessons!

PhantomViper wrote:The best beef in the world vs fried fish and warm beer...

If that was the contest, then the island inhabitants would better start investing in some Spanish lessons!

At least they'd get a better cuisine.

Dark wrote:We do (and I'm in the army since 2005), we'd go, we'd see and we'd conquer...

So has any of your gear actually been upgraded in any meaningful way since the last time your lads got thrashed? Because that's not what I'm hearing - I watched a documentary on this just the other day and well, let's just say the outlook isn't great for any future Argentine attempt on the Falklands. Aren't all the planes and ships basically the same as 30 years ago? Mate, seriously now - if war breaks out, leave the military. It will not end well for you guys.

Even with all the talk of cuts to the UK military, Britain still spends 8x more on it than Argentina....


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PhantomViper wrote:The best beef in the world vs fried fish and warm beer...

If that was the contest, then the island inhabitants would better start investing in some Spanish lessons!

Wait, what is Portugal famous for again? Ah yes, Nando's, Bankruptcy and being next to a good country.



Jog on.

I think the UK may benefit from recent combat experience. A bunch of combat hardened vets with up to date gear go a long way...

Wait, what is Portugal famous for again? Ah yes, Nando's, Bankruptcy and being next to a good country.

I think you missed a few posts were I offered the civilized alternative of manly battle on Iron Chef. You also seem to have gotten confused between Argentina and Portugal.

Albatross wrote:
Wait, what is Portugal famous for again?

Being good stalwart friends to the UK with solid reliable mutual support, it is the longest serving alliance in human history.
Portugal has watched our back many times, and vice versa.

Some of us havent forgotten.

Albatross wrote:
Wait, what is Portugal famous for again? Ah yes, Nando's, Bankruptcy and being next to a good country.



Jog on.

What the hell is "Nando's"?

I'm struggling to think of the last time the Chinese dragged us all over the world fighting a bunch of people we didn't need to

As to the US position on the islands - how can there be a continuation of disussions when there is absolutely nothing to discuss? The islanders have asked to stay on Team GB and we are happy to have them. I'm pretty sure at least one of the wars we have been dragged into by America recently was to enable people to live safe and determine their own futures. Or was it because someone with a beard blew up some buildings? Or because there might be WMD's? Or was it to secure some oil? Or was it just for lols?

I can't remember any more. But hey, at least you can give some small and insignificant token of appreciation to your biggest supporters in the world by telling the Argies to stop being so sil... Oh, wait, you can't even do that...

Orlanth wrote:longest serving alliance in human history

That is incorrect. The Human/Wiener Dog alliance goes back much further.

SilverMK2 wrote:I'm struggling to think of the last time the Chinese dragged us all over the world fighting a bunch of people we didn't need to

As to the US position on the islands - how can there be a continuation of disussions when there is absolutely nothing to discuss? The islanders have asked to stay on Team GB and we are happy to have them. I'm pretty sure at least one of the wars we have been dragged into by America recently was to enable people to live safe and determine their own futures. Or was it because someone with a beard blew up some buildings? Or because there might be WMD's? Or was it to secure some oil? Or was it just for lols?

I can't remember any more. But hey, at least you can give some small and insignificant token of appreciation to your biggest supporters in the world by telling the Argies to stop being so sil... Oh, wait, you can't even do that...

Hey don't blame me. I voted for the other guy. You Euros are stil infatuated with him not me.


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Ahtman wrote:

Orlanth wrote:longest serving alliance in human history

That is incorrect. The Human/Wiener Dog alliance goes back much further.

And I quote TBone: "Damn straight. All your flavorful snackie treats are belong to us!"

Dark wrote:We do (and I'm in the army since 2005), we'd go, we'd see and we'd conquer... and after that we're crushed, but that's the next chapter.

You wouldn't even be able to land on the beach.

The best beef in the world vs fried fish and warm beer...

Plenty of places serve better beef than a deadbeat country thats insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Dark wrote:We do (and I'm in the army since 2005), we'd go, we'd see and we'd conquer... and after that we're crushed, but that's the next chapter.

You wouldn't even be able to land on the beach.

Couldn't they pull a Red Dawn and come in on a freighter or cruise ship? They'd get plastered Dark would be right. They'd land and then get crushed.

The best beef in the world vs fried fish and warm beer...

Plenty of places serve better beef than a deadbeat country thats insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

I take it you've not had good Argentian beef then. It really is awesome.

Mr Hyena wrote:

Plenty of places serve better beef than a deadbeat country thats insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Hey don't insult the UK like that!!, I like to think that Britain is still significant(at least until we invade to impose taxes on the tea)

I take it you've not had good Argentian beef then. It really is awesome.

Kobe Beef is supposedly better.

Hey don't insult the UK like that!!

The UK is actually remembered for things though

Mr Hyena wrote:

I take it you've not had good Argentian beef then. It really is awesome.

Kobe Beef is supposedly better.

Hey don't insult the UK like that!!

The UK is actually remembered for things though

having had both at good steak plaes I'd say Kobe is better, but not by much.