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You're saying that this is a bad song:




But this is good:



And all the time and effort that went into Bangarang isn't as much as what went into strumming a guitar for fifteen minutes until they found something they like and then repeating that for an entire song?


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And as to the whole performance thing, look at a Skrillex or Deadmau5 or Sweedish House Mafia concert versus a Grateful Dead or Rolling Stones or Aerosmith concert. All you have to do is replace the LSD with MDMA and they're the same thing, just one has saggy old dudes jumping and one has ballin laser shows

Goliath wrote:

dæl wrote:@Goliath

Flim - what a song, what an album.

As to the challenge, I can play an instrument anyway, so I'll go for it.

I would but I sold my clarinet, and I can't play my brother's guitar for the life of me.


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Jubear wrote:real instrument

You keep using those words.
What do you judge to be a "real" instrument?
One that isn't electronic?
One that requires "skill" to play?
One that Jubear likes?


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Jubear wrote:That aphex twin song is just a keys sample over a trip hop beat with the occasionally extra bit of kick drum and snare copy and pasted into the loop....And for the record I never said that real music is easy I just said that elctronica is by and large talentless dribble.

No-one said that real music was easy. The way your challenge was posed made you look like you were saying that people arguing for electronic music were arguing that "real" music was easy.

Any instrument that requires physical interaction to play about the only exceptions are sample pads (because your not making the tone or sound your just triggering a preloaded sample) and to a lesser degree turntables (scratching well is a talent sorta)


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TheAngrySquig wrote:You're saying that this is a bad song:




But this is good:



And all the time and effort that went into Bangarang isn't as much as what went into strumming a guitar for fifteen minutes until they found something they like and then repeating that for an entire song?


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And as to the whole performance thing, look at a Skrillex or Deadmau5 or Sweedish House Mafia concert versus a Grateful Dead or Rolling Stones or Aerosmith concert. All you have to do is replace the LSD with MDMA and they're the same thing, just one has saggy old dudes jumping and one has ballin laser shows

Both suck giant monkey balls but yes I am sure the second song took a lot more skill to compose and record.

TheAngrySquig wrote:You're saying that this is a bad song:

I'll say that was a bad song. I made it to about 1:33 before I was sure my brain was going to dribble out through my ears, and not in a good way.
If that's your most compelling argument, you might want to reconsider.

But this is good:



And all the time and effort that went into Bangarang isn't as much as what went into strumming a guitar for fifteen minutes until they found something they like and then repeating that for an entire song?

While I'm not a fan of Bad Company, I do not believe that Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy only took fifteen minutes to develop.

Part of the reason why I respect the works of Bad Company more than your "skipping CD" above it is because, other than possessing elements I despise like that horrible thing with the over-modulated voice samples, is because Bad Company, in order to perform theirs, has to play it all out in realtime. It's a musical performance, recorded to become data. The one you showed me isn't. It was developed on a computer with recorded samples and FruityLoops or Garage Band. Quite literally, noise from data, as opposed to the other way around.

On top of that, it's harsh, jarring, and repetitive. Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy's lyrical content at least has variance from between any given moment and three seconds later.

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And as to the whole performance thing, look at a Skrillex or Deadmau5 or Sweedish House Mafia concert versus a Grateful Dead or Rolling Stones or Aerosmith concert. All you have to do is replace the LSD with MDMA and they're the same thing, just one has saggy old dudes jumping and one has ballin laser shows

First off, you're either 12 or trolling, right? Laser shows STARTED in the era of the music you're criticizing*, and those dudes were not at all young then (neither were the women). Second off, I'd take LSD over what's out there nowadays, any day.

* That is, for some values of era being pre-dubstep.

daedalus wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:You're saying that this is a bad song:

I'll say that was a bad song. I made it to about 1:33 before I was sure my brain was going to dribble out through my ears, and not in a good way.
If that's your most compelling argument, you might want to reconsider.

But this is good:



And all the time and effort that went into Bangarang isn't as much as what went into strumming a guitar for fifteen minutes until they found something they like and then repeating that for an entire song?

While I'm not a fan of Bad Company, I do not believe that Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy only took fifteen minutes to develop.

Part of the reason why I respect the works of Bad Company more than your "skipping CD" above it is because, other than possessing elements I despise like that horrible thing with the over-modulated voice samples, is because Bad Company, in order to perform theirs, has to play it all out in realtime. It's a musical performance, recorded to become data. The one you showed me isn't. It was developed on a computer with recorded samples and FruityLoops or Garage Band. Quite literally, noise from data, as opposed to the other way around.

On top of that, it's harsh, jarring, and repetitive. Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy's lyrical content at least has variance from between any given moment and three seconds later.

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And as to the whole performance thing, look at a Skrillex or Deadmau5 or Sweedish House Mafia concert versus a Grateful Dead or Rolling Stones or Aerosmith concert. All you have to do is replace the LSD with MDMA and they're the same thing, just one has saggy old dudes jumping and one has ballin laser shows

First off, you're either 12 or trolling, right? Laser shows STARTED in the era of the music you're criticizing*, and those dudes were not at all young then (neither were the women). Second off, I'd take LSD over what's out there nowadays, any day.

* That is, for some values of era being pre-dubstep.

A) Neither of us are gonna win this arguments, we should both just agree that we like different things and realize that we probably aren't going to change those things.

B) I'm 16, but yeah that was mostly a joke

TheAngrySquig wrote:
A) Neither of us are gonna win this arguments, we should both just agree that we like different things and realize that we probably aren't going to change those things.

That much I CAN agree on!

I only listen to Dresden.

daedalus wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:You're saying that this is a bad song:

Spoiler:

I'll say that was a bad song. I made it to about 1:33 before I was sure my brain was going to dribble out through my ears, and not in a good way.
If that's your most compelling argument, you might want to reconsider.

Totally agree, Skrillex gives dubstep a bad name.

I'd take LSD over what's out there nowadays, any day.

These days people seem to be quite into ketamine, which is a horrible drug.

TheAngrySquig wrote:I think that anyone who says dubstep takes no talent is either ignorant, or hasn't tried to make it. I've explained it in a way I felt was clear, by now I just have to assume that people who disagree are either going off popular opinion, or are just ignorant

As a friend of Carl Craig, Derrick May, and Frankie Knuckles, my opinion of dubstep is not based out of ignorance. It is my opinion of the style of music. And in this case, it is a rather informed opinion, being a raver kid from the 90's and all. I am not negating dubstep as a musical form, I am not calling you names for liking dubstep. I just don't like dubstep. Again, see my earlier post about music being subjective. If this were a food thread would you call me ignorant because I couldn't make Beef Wellington, and didn't like Beef Wellington? One of my best friends happens to love a style of music that I loathe. We are still friends. Just because everyone else doesn't see things the way you do doesn't mean you are wrong, and it doesn't mean the rest of the world is wrong. The sun will still rise tomorrow, and the world will keep on spinning. Like what you like, love what you love. Don't be ashamed of it, but don't be surprised if anyone else doesn't agree or understand

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TheAngrySquig wrote:I think that anyone who says dubstep takes no talent is either ignorant, or hasn't tried to make it. I've explained it in a way I felt was clear, by now I just have to assume that people who disagree are either going off popular opinion, or are just ignorant

Grrr angryish rebuttal...

But Moz would love dubstep, it would remind him of dial-up.

TBF to the angry squig, he didn't say not liking dubstep made you ignorant, just claiming it took no talent made you ignorant.

Edit: treadheads summary of his previous quote added.

dæl wrote:

treadhead1944 wrote:

TheAngrySquig wrote:Grrr angryish rebuttal...

But Moz would love dubstep, it would remind him of dial-up.

TBF to the angry squig, he didn't say not liking dubstep made you ignorant, just claiming it took no talent made you ignorant.

True enough...


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Wow, quote fail...

Why don't we all just listen to electronic rock which is imo the best of both worlds.

Krellnus wrote:Why don't we all just listen to electronic rock which is imo the best of both worlds.

Pfft, electronic rock music, what with it's combination of both "real" and electronic instruments, takes less talent to make and is not as good as music with magical instruments.

Hey I finished my little techno song were do I upload it? 20 min work in FL studio (never used it BTW very user freindly)

While I despise most of the current uber mainstreamed music being mass produced daily like the dubstep and hip-hop/rap styles, there really isn't much that can be done about it. When going clubbing all they play is dubstep and the hip-hop/dance music, I can't complain about it, seeing as I payed to get in and it doesn't make much sense paying to go in and then whine about the music. I've just developed a thick skin to most of the music played and made currently.

Personally I prefer to listen to Soundtracks, trailer music and a little bit of punk and rock here and there along the lines of Two Steps From Hell, Green Day, Good Charlotte, Audio Machine etc.

Also a little bit of Alternative too. Les Friction is one that I recommend to all.

Jubear wrote:Hey I finished my little techno song were do I upload it? 20 min work in FL studio (never used it BTW very user freindly)

Set up a soundcloud/myspace, that was my intention.

I'm glad dubstep appears to be a non-American problem.

dæl wrote:

Jubear wrote:Hey I finished my little techno song were do I upload it? 20 min work in FL studio (never used it BTW very user freindly)

Set up a soundcloud/myspace, that was my intention.

http://soundcloud.com/
michael-harris-26

techno-is-garbage

done

Quick note it would have been way to easy to just use the preset loops (and I assume proper techno artist dont use them) so all the filters,synth etc has been done from scratch.

It's rampant through the aussie culture as we generally get everything from the american culture.

Must be a Yank trend then, as I still haven't heard it played anywhere around here, heh.

Or maybe Californian. They have had some rather bad taste in music in the past, even compared to Texas' country music.

I like it...
Well some of it.
Like every genre it has some good examples and bad ones...
I was always mystified by metal and its various sub-genres...
I probably have less metal than any other genre...

Melissia wrote:Must be a Yank trend then, as I still haven't heard it played anywhere around here, heh.

Or maybe Californian. They have had some rather bad taste in music in the past, even compared to Texas' country music.

You must have Music Police wandering around tasing DJs if they play it.
It drives me nuts when people say dubstep is good.
Probably shouldn't rant, seeing is it's already been done

Melissia wrote:Must be a Yank trend then, as I still haven't heard it played anywhere around here, heh.

Or maybe Californian. They have had some rather bad taste in music in the past, even compared to Texas' country music.

It started in London and Bristol, but has migrated across the pond, Skrillex is American for example, whereas early dubstep is generally British.

Skrillex... *looks up on wikipedia*


Yep, California. Figures.



























Also, his hairstyle fills me with rage for some reason.

Wow quite a debate that about "real" music vs "electronic" music.

I listen to what I like, simple as that. I don't go out of my way to listen to certain genres although it does just so happen that my favourite music tends to be classified as progressive rock, progressive metal, post rock or post metal.

BTW for those say all electronic music involves no skill aside from mucking about with a computer I suggest you listen to early electronic acts like Kraftwek or Tangerine Dream. They had to set up all their synths by hand and whilst early sampling techniques were around then they often had to play the songs properly. Now tell me all electronic music takes no skill.

Though certain genres happen to sound extremely similar, I tend to go song by song or band by band to decide if I like something instead of by genre. Yet nightcore happens to fail to be anything but gak.

Ahtman wrote:I only listen to Dresden.

Damn you Ahtman, I was going to post that

Back OT, I like many different kinds of music, mostly some of the various kinds of metal, from Viking Death Metal like Amon Amarth to classic metal like Iron Maiden, some of the rock classics like Thin Lizzy, Classical music like Beethoven, all the way through Progressive rock like Porcupine Tree and, yes, even some Electronic stuff, like the aforementioned Dresden or NIN.

I'll give anything a go at least once. I'm not the biggest fan of dubstep, it often annoys me, but I have heard some that I thought was "ok", I'd never really listen to it by choice though. Pop and Hip-Hop also mostly annoy me, although I do like Eminem, more so than other rappers, since he actually seems to put deeper meanings into his music that I just can't find in other rappers.

If I wasn't in work right now, I would go through every video linked in this video, and if I liked it, maybe even buy an album...

i personally prefer Rock, Heavy metal, classic rock I.E: Creedance, Free, jimi hendrix, metallica, iron maiden, linkin park and rage against the machine.
i just cant stand songs that are completely computerised and make me want to punch a wall.

This is making for interesting reading, I'm learning a lot. Might even find some new music from this.

on the whole dubstep thing..... I prefer music that actually has something to listen to, such as lyrics or a tune I can dance/mosh to. The Dubstep i've heard is just noise, I cant even jump up and down to it properly.

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