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In my experience with thumbs up / thumbs down scoring for sportsmanship, it's just not a big enough deal. After many events trying lots of different scoring styles, I've come to the conclusion that I want the Sportsmanship score to matter.

In the case of an 0/1 scale, douchemanbro goes 3-0 leveraging every janky thing he can get away with that won't get him outright DQ'd, and each of his opponents zero him out on Sports. So he's down three points. Which means there needs to be another guy who went 3-0 with equivalent battle points to even be in the running to keep TFG out of the top spot.

In the case of a broader scale, TFG goes 3-0 but gets 2s and 0s from his opponent for Sports, meaning that another player who went 3-0 *and* was a good opponent has a much better chance of overtaking TFG in in the final tally.

Every system has its lumps, the system outlined in the format above has the lumps I'm most comfortable with. As for being worried about low scores due to a more reserved demeanor, I have never seen anyone in my events get less than a four for sportsmanship for anything other than having a relatively rough game, and I've entered every sportsmanship score that's ever been scribbled on a sheet at this store! I've tried to make sure that the tournament crowd around here knows that the sportsmanship score is about how the player's attitude affects the game, not the player themselves. If someone's attitude or actions result in a bad game that a player isn't happy with, then I expect to see a lower score. If the game is a fine time with no significant rough spots, its usually a 4 or 6 regardless of how the players conducted themselves specifically. That being said, simple stuff like introducing yourself with handshake at the beginning of the game goes a long way, and if its something that's come up in the past, why not mention it in the beginning, that you tend to be on the quiet side during the game so you can concentrate, and its not because you're trying to be standoffish.

Just my take, though.

disdainful wrote:In my experience with thumbs up / thumbs down scoring for sportsmanship, it's just not a big enough deal. After many events trying lots of different scoring styles, I've come to the conclusion that I want the Sportsmanship score to matter.

In the case of an 0/1 scale, douchemanbro goes 3-0 leveraging every janky thing he can get away with that won't get him outright DQ'd, and each of his opponents zero him out on Sports. So he's down three points. Which means there needs to be another guy who went 3-0 with equivalent battle points to even be in the running to keep TFG out of the top spot.

In the case of a broader scale, TFG goes 3-0 but gets 2s and 0s from his opponent for Sports, meaning that another player who went 3-0 *and* was a good opponent has a much better chance of overtaking TFG in in the final tally.

Every system has its lumps, the system outlined in the format above has the lumps I'm most comfortable with. As for being worried about low scores due to a more reserved demeanor, I have never seen anyone in my events get less than a four for sportsmanship for anything other than having a relatively rough game, and I've entered every sportsmanship score that's ever been scribbled on a sheet at this store! I've tried to make sure that the tournament crowd around here knows that the sportsmanship score is about how the player's attitude affects the game, not the player themselves. If someone's attitude or actions result in a bad game that a player isn't happy with, then I expect to see a lower score. If the game is a fine time with no significant rough spots, its usually a 4 or 6 regardless of how the players conducted themselves specifically. That being said, simple stuff like introducing yourself with handshake at the beginning of the game goes a long way, and if its something that's come up in the past, why not mention it in the beginning, that you tend to be on the quiet side during the game so you can concentrate, and its not because you're trying to be standoffish.

Just my take, though.

Fair enough. I respect the system and It's not a problem at all. It's just one of those things that are constatnly being talked about in tournaments and when trying to figure out formats.

Thanks to those who responded and I'll see you guys saturday!

Based on feedback from here on Dakka, conversations in the store, and response from our events page on Facebook, it has been decided to include Mysterious Objectives. Mysterious Terrain is still out.

The OP has been updated to reflect this, and includes a link to the Tournament Rulings thread here on Dakka for all the rulings on known issues.

Getting close now, looking forward to seeing everyone Saturday!

How are you ruling Vibro Cannons and flyers

Ppl quote the rule in the BRB that shots resolved against flyers must be done as snap shots and artillery weapons cannot fire snap shots...however...

Vibro cannons are not blast/template weapons (which is important to point out) and they do not pick a target to roll to hit, things that the line pass through are simply hit indiscriminately and if a flyer happens to be in the line, so be it.

IMO, specific codex rules>BRB rules and in this case I think Vibro Cannons can hit flyers but I want your ruling on it to decide if I bring any at all if I go Sat =).

mortetvie wrote:How are you ruling Vibro Cannons and flyers

Ppl quote the rule in the BRB that shots resolved against flyers must be done as snap shots and artillery weapons cannot fire snap shots...however...

Vibro cannons are not blast/template weapons (which is important to point out) and they do not pick a target to roll to hit, things that the line pass through are simply hit indiscriminately and if a flyer happens to be in the line, so be it.

IMO, specific codex rules>BRB rules and in this case I think Vibro Cannons can hit flyers but I want your ruling on it to decide if I bring any at all if I go Sat =).

Also posted here in this forum, and answers this question:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/467314.page

Woot, thanks for the link.

I will be attending this glorious event. I don't really know how to play this game though, so bear with me.

Have fun all, not going to be able to make the trip again. I predict Necrons win.

BladeWalker wrote:Have fun all, not going to be able to make the trip again. I predict Necrons win.

I hope so

Too bad you can't make it, hopefully see you at the next one!

Are we allowed to adjust our Army List between games? E.g. Have 150 points of alternates that can be swapped in / out? thanks!

chewish wrote:Are we allowed to adjust our Army List between games? E.g. Have 150 points of alternates that can be swapped in / out? thanks!

No, most tournaments force one list for the event. It is best to Assume as much unless the rules explicitly state otherwise.

chewish wrote:Are we allowed to adjust our Army List between games? E.g. Have 150 points of alternates that can be swapped in / out? thanks!

Having been going to GE's tourneys for more than a year, no. Same list for all three games, TAC being my best advice.

chewish wrote:Are we allowed to adjust our Army List between games? E.g. Have 150 points of alternates that can be swapped in / out? thanks!

I've been playing in GE 40k tournaments regularly (6-10 out of 12 a year) since the store opened and started running them. They have never allowed this so I would assume no.

chewish wrote:Are we allowed to adjust our Army List between games? E.g. Have 150 points of alternates that can be swapped in / out? thanks!

I have been to every 6th edition tournament that GE has held and you have to play the same list every round.




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BladeWalker wrote:Have fun all, not going to be able to make the trip again. I predict Necrons win.

I predict that you are wrong in your prediction.

Official confirmation: everyone above is correct. One List to Rule Them All!

It's never been a part of the format to allow a 'sideboard' so to speak of alt models. That being said, one of the ideas I've been mulling over is to utilize the new Allies rules in a format that allows players an alternate list that includes allies that may be played once per tournament.

The basic idea is that you'd have your 'Primaris Force' which would be an army chosen solely from your codex as normal (i.e, a 1750-point SM army), and then your 'Secundus Force', a variant of that list that included an Allied Detachment (say, SM with Allied IG for more firepower). During the event, you can elect to use the variant list once (assuming a 3-round, 1-day event), after you and your opponent have exchanged lists and read the mission.

It's a borrow from WM tourneys, where players bring 2 lists to each event and pick one before each round after seeing their opponent's lists and the mission. It's in place primarily to avoid the match-up issues you can experience in that game that are absolutely crippling.

Before anyone freaks out, you don't get to look at your opponent's lists, see what he's going to take, and then cherry-pick the one of yours that is best suited, each player reveals their list for the game simultaneously.

The other option would be that you have both lists available all day, with the possible restriction that you have to play each one at least once.

A two-list format was never really suited for 40k due to the logistics of moving so many potential models around an event, but the Allies addition means that its more of a possibility, since you'd just have your regular army to cart around, along with a handful of alternate Allied models.

Obviously I won't be doing anything like this anytime soon, but it's something I'm interested in trying out at some point once 6th has settled in a bit more.

In any case, tomorrow is one list only, no alternate models, and its going to be here in a flash! Somebody bring donuts!

Does anyone have a Hellion and 10 Dark Eldar Warrior models with one Splinter Cannon I can borrow for tomorrow? =)

We are under way! Round one is about halfway over and it's a packed house. We got 28 this time, which is two more than the last one!

Here's the army breakdown:

Tyranids x6
Imperial Guard x5
Space Wolves x3
Dark Eldar
Space Marines x3
Grey Knights x3
Necrons x4
Eldar x2
Chaos Marines

I've been compiling a list of all the noteworthy questions that have arisen so far, which will be posted and added to the rulings thread once I've had time to organize and format them properly.

Had a great time. Congradulations to all the winners. Thanks for running the tourney.

Yep, great tournament as always Dis! It was interesting to see that in the final break down of Overall points I was 2nd, only 8 behind Ish, even thought I lost my 1st game! Fully Painted ftw apparently, now if only I could have beaten Blackmoor and his dreaded Draigowing round 1...

6th is a fantastic edition, I think the fact that so many players come out, and the same ones continue, to come out for these events speaks volumes about the edition. At this stage in 5th we were struggling hard just to keep 5 tables full!

I posted up my synopsis, which includes a little video, on capture and control.

http://www.captureandcontrol.com/2012/08/40k-6th-edition-tournament-report.html

Great time with huge turn out, i cant believe how many nid players there were. I went 2-1 with my improved dual flyrant and 9 hive guard list.

Had a blast. Was my first tournament but am looking forward to more in the future.

Thanks to everyone for coming! It was a blast and great fun, and I'm glad to hear guys had a good time.

Congrats to the winners:

Overall - Ismael
General - Andy
Army - Paul
Sportsman - Scott

and to Chris and Evan for winning the 'shortest game' and 'epic tale' awards.

I'll post up the full finish for those who are interested when I get back to the shop tomorrow. We'll be doing it all again in September on the 8th, so mark your calendars!

Thanks for another fun tournament Dis and everyone that came, see everyone in October.

This tournament taught me that I need more lascannons. And that fliers are really good if you can roll over a 3 to get them on the board. Also, That nid list with Doom and the zoanthropes is awesome.

P.S. Andy's a cheater.
P.P.S Grats to everyone that won.

Dok wrote:This tournament taught me that I need more lascannons. And that fliers are really good if you can roll over a 3 to get them on the board. Also, That nid list with Doom and the zoanthropes is awesome.

P.S. Andy's a cheater.
P.P.S Grats to everyone that won.

and

Last edition was Missile Launchers this edition will need a mix of ML and LC. Str 9 is a lot better in this edition primarily because it is normally accompanied by AP2 or better.

Any updates on what the winning armies/lists were?

Stoffer wrote:Any updates on what the winning armies/lists were?

Overall- SW LF and Razorspam with Aegis Defense line as well.
Best General- IG

Best general was running mech guard. X3 vets in chimeras, pbs in chinera and a company command squad in a chimera. As well as 2 vendettas and a pair of exterminators.

My mech guard is pretty standard, no room at 1500 for manticores. One small correction - executioners not exterminators. No qualms about sharing anything, let me know and I'll email you a copy of the list. Also i cheat pretty rampantly as Dok suggests, I've found that D10s really help me hit better

Tuff Love wrote:My mech guard is pretty standard, no room at 1500 for manticores. One small correction - executioners not exterminators. No qualms about sharing anything, let me know and I'll email you a copy of the list. Also i cheat pretty rampantly as Dok suggests, I've found that D10s really help me hit better

I prefer to just roll twice the amount of dice I am supposed to and then pick which results I want. Comes in handy.