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It isn't lost to you though. Field a canoness with two Plasma Pistols in a CCS with some multimeltas. Run around nuking the crud out of people. It may not be Jacobus or Celestine, but it is still good.

Unfortunately haven't bought a WD in years so I missed the Codex, meaning I can't even field my army in 6th edition without finding the rules somewhere, and i really don;t have any idea where to look.

pretre wrote:That's not true. You could only take Infantry Platoons, Armoured Fists, Sentinels, Rough Riders and 0-1 LRBT.

You're right on that - I was only looking on page 25 when these particular restrictions were in an additional textbox on page 26 next to the entry of the Canoness... I blame the layout!

Yeah, I suppose judging purely by Allies rules, 6E is the better edition. For a pure SoB army, I maintain that the lack of options is ... well, perhaps not crippling us, but putting us at a severe disadvantage that can only be partially overcome if we field a very particular type of force. The problem with SC seems to extend to all armies lately, but with the Sisters it feels even stronger because the SC aren't even "true" Sisters. I'd prolly complain less if they had also given us Praxedes back, but for some reason she's the one actual Sisters SC that is missing.

pretre wrote:Yeah, but I think you are quibbling. She's basically an advanced SOB. It is like saying Sanguinor or Meph aren't Blood Angels.

It's not quibbling. Regardless of her background, Celestine is not part of the Sororitas command structure. She holds no formal rank and isn't, indeed never even was, an officer of the Orders Militant. She is a Living Saint of the Ecclesiarchy as a whole. She doesn't lead an Order and she is not part of some squad, she just shows up and disappears again. For my Sisters, I want a proper leader - a mistress for their convent.

And yes, Sanguinor is not a true Blood Angel either. Meph is, however.

pretre wrote:You might be in the wrong army if you don't want fancy space magic. It is kinda our thing. Fancy Divine space magic, that is.

Not to me. Acts of Faith are borne of the Sisters conviction to their faith. That's not magical, it may only ... "appear miraculous to the unschooled", as our own Codex says.
In other words: To my Sisters, it undoubtedly appears as if the Emperor Himself is protecting them from harm and helps them overcome their foe. I as their player prefer to think that it is their own strength, focused and magnified by prayer and zeal, that lends them these abilities.

I have no problem with Celestine's magic (which I interpret as possession by a benign warp spirit conjured by the masses of the faithful) - I just prefer running my Order as a professional religious-military outfit, and as such they require a proper commander.

Plus, it is way easier to come up with a custom background for a random Canoness. SCs always feel a little too ... well, special (duh) to me. I don't want my army be that special, I want it to be a Minor Order amongst many.

Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

pretre wrote:Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

That would be a viable option if I hadn't earlier mentioned that I never deemed a Jumpy Canoness a very fluffy choice, and if Celestine didn't come with a whole bag of special rules that are a bit much for even the Sisters' Acts of Faith.

I get what you're trying to do and applaud your steadfast optimism, but as far as my own opinion is concerned, I deem it preferable to simply admit that the Minidex was screwing us and hope for better times (with a proper book). In the meantime, I'll continue fielding a proper commander for my Order (with Command Squad) and just have to learn to deal with the suckage and the resultant effect on gameplay efficiency.

If I weren't a style over substance kind of person I'd have probably taken another army, anyways. The good times of the E-Z bake oven were already long gone when I discovered my interest for the Sisters.

Lynata wrote:
I have no problem with Celestine's magic (which I interpret as possession by a benign warp spirit conjured by the masses of the faithful) - I just prefer running my Order as a professional religious-military outfit, and as such they require a proper commander.

Plus, it is way easier to come up with a custom background for a random Canoness. SCs always feel a little too ... well, special (duh) to me. I don't want my army be that special, I want it to be a Minor Order amongst many.

Well, Celestine doesn't necessarily have any 'space-magic' either. Her inability to die might be just willpower, luck, etc. Yarric has pretty similar rule and he has no space-magic, he's just a tough old geezer that refuses to die.

And you could run counts-as-Celestine as a character of your own creation, but I agree she might be a bit too special for that. It is just really hard to justify taking Canoness. Give her some wargear and she's as expensive as Celestine. Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

Lynata wrote:

pretre wrote:Counts-as Celestine as a Canoness who came from the ranks of the Seraphim with a Jump Pack, Mantle and Blessed Weapon. Poof!

That would be a viable option if I hadn't earlier mentioned that I never deemed a Jumpy Canoness a very fluffy choice, and if Celestine didn't come with a whole bag of special rules that are a bit much for even the Sisters' Acts of Faith.

Ahh, but you did say an uppity Seraphim would be okay.

If I weren't a style over substance kind of person I'd have probably taken another army, anyways. The good times of the E-Z bake oven were already long gone when I discovered my interest for the Sisters.

Ahh, E-Z bakes. Those WERE a good time.


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Crimson wrote:And you could run counts-as-Celestine as a character of your own creation, but I agree she might be a bit too special for that. It is just really hard to justify taking Canoness. Give her some wargear and she's as expensive as Celestine. Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

They aren't bad. Just spendy. I think you could do okay with a Dual PP Canoness with a couple multi-meltas in the CCS. Spendy, but puts down some nasty wounds.

Crimson wrote:Though she gives an access to a command squad. Are those any good?

Good, yes. Efficient for their points ... that's another matter entirely.
Though FNP is always nice to have, even if it was recently nerfed.

Crimson wrote:Yarric has pretty similar rule and he has no space-magic, he's just a tough old geezer that refuses to die.

That was indeed new to me. He really gets up again and again, even when he was hit by ... uh, a lance strike or a lascannon or whatever? That is impressive. A bit silly perhaps.

pretre wrote:Ahh, but you did say an uppity Seraphim would be okay.

Easier to justify! I myself still wouldn't do so, but that's the advice I would give a fellow SoB player.
Guess I'm hard to please when it comes to such details.

Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Lynata wrote:That was indeed new to me. He really gets up again and again, even when he was hit by ... uh, a lance strike or a lascannon or whatever? That is impressive. A bit silly perhaps.

Yarrick's rule is a bit different from that of Celestine, but the basic idea is the same. When he loses his last wound he gets recovers with a single wound on 3+ at the beginning of the next IG turn. This can happen many times and instant death doesn't seem to affect it. However, if he fails the recovery roll, he is removed as casualty.

DeffDred wrote:Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Where'd you hear this?

Because based on my experience over the last 15 years, I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

At this rate I am thinking of buying 3rd party models, and using them as SoB. I don't need that many since I am only planning on bringing them as Allies to my guard.

Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

pretre wrote:

DeffDred wrote:Last I heard, the SoB plastics are complete, on sprue, and in warehouses.

On the shelves next to them are the Eldar, Tau and several new models for a supposed "Codex: Allies".

Where'd you hear this?

Because based on my experience over the last 15 years, I'll believe that when me gak turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

Just things I've heard over the past few months. Most things that sound too good to be true are... 5 years away.

5 years might be generous.

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

Protectorate of Menoth

Infinity crusader dudes from the previous page.

Arbites.

Crimson wrote:

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

I have a squad of ladies in power armour. I have no idea what game system they were for. They fit nicely to scale next to a marine.

If I had a camera I'd post a pic. Maybe then I'd know what they are and where they came from.

HE legs (dress/robes), DE Chests, Female Heads, Cadian Arms.

Crimson wrote:

pretre wrote:Yeah, there are a bunch of good standins for SOB if you aren't stuck on the 'official' models.

Such as?

They are out there you just got to look for them. I literal googled 28mm nuns with guns, and 28mm nuns

http://www.reapermini.com/OnlineStore/assassin/sku-down/50233

http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=204_207_220

http://shop.groundzerogames.net/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=97

http://www.sgmm.biz/PULP15-Nuns-with-Guns_p_169.html

Hell I even found Sister of Battle models that can be used with Blood Bowl
http://www.thewarstore.com/sistersnunsteam.html

Yeah okay... So instead of GW metal models you can use other company's metal models that look way worse and lack armour. I'm not seeing the appeal.

Huh, those Chosen Sisters don't look too bad - they even have power armour.

Makarov wrote:http://www.thewarstore.com/sistersnunsteam.html

Oh Emperor.

Crimson wrote:Yeah okay... So instead of GW metal models you can use other company's metal models that look way worse and lack armour. I'm not seeing the appeal.

Woah, down boy. Someone had mentioned using 3rd party models, so we gave him some suggestions.

I'm sure there's more to find if one were committed to a search, too. These are just the first results that popped up, right?

"Mix 'n match" might also be an option - taking plastic bodies of sci-fi armoured girls but give them nun heads or something. Could possibly still end up cheaper.

Lynata wrote:Huh, those Chosen Sisters don't look too bad - they even have power armour.

Well, they have the armour but the pic is way too small to judge the quality. I'm highly sceptical about manufacturers that don't have proper pictures of their products on their site.

Yeah those alternatives are awful. But it's always nice to have options. Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister. And like was said if it really bothers you and want a different commander then take a canoness.

They aren't bad they just aren't as good as the insanely under priced special characters we have. If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

It seems that most bit sellers won't sell bits for sister tanks. Those come with plastic torsos, arms and heads, right? Would be good for conversions if one could order them separately.

Lynata wrote:I'm sure there's more to find if one were committed to a search, too. These are just the first results that popped up, right?

"Mix 'n match" might also be an option - taking plastic bodies of sci-fi armoured girls but give them nun heads or something. Could possibly still end up cheaper.

Those are the things I came up with, with a 1 minute Google search

The problem with the SoB bits from Immolators is that they are direct only, so bits sellers can't get their margin on those items.

IIRC, there's 3 heads, a torso and two hand/forearms on each immo sprue though.

Crimson wrote:Well, they have the armour but the pic is way too small to judge the quality. I'm highly sceptical about manufacturers that don't have proper pictures of their products on their site.

Agreed, though in all fairness that was a shop pic. They didn't even say which company makes them - on either of the two store sites I found selling them. :(
Maybe someone will be able to find a better photo...

Crimson wrote:Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister.

I know of Celestine's backstory, but her leading an army of Sisters doesn't make her a Sororitas commander much like it doesn't make Kyrinov one. Fluffwise, the Sisters following her surely had their own commander seconded to Celestine?

As for Alicia, she was proclaimed a Living Saint as whe was still alive and already a commander of her Order. There was no change to her status and role of leadership towards her Sisters.
Celestine on the other hand was a lowly Repentia. Sainthood qualifies her for respect and obedience by the Sisterhood, but it does not come with some sort of commission of rank, and obviously she would only show up for an individual battle. I, however, wished to field an Order as it exists as a unit.

Crimson wrote:If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

From what I heard that seems to be a problem with SCs in most codices of 5E, not just SoB. I just hope this is going to change again - "generic" characters allow for so much more customisation.

IcedAnimals wrote:Yeah those alternatives are awful. But it's always nice to have options. Also on the bit about saint Celestine. After she was resurrected she did indeed take the role of commander. She lead the sisters all over the sector even instructing them to find the armor of saint Katherine. ( I'm pretty sure it was Katherine). If Celestine isn't a sister of battle then neither are any of the other saint including Alicia and friends. You can be both a saint and a battle sister. And like was said if it really bothers you and want a different commander then take a canoness.

They aren't bad they just aren't as good as the insanely under priced special characters we have. If Celestine was appropriately costed she would make our plasma canoness seem affordable.

Some better looking ones. Some of these could pass for St. Celestine


http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/02411



http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/50233

Others


http://www.reapermini.com/FigureFinder#detail/50146