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That's a good point actually. How this can be taken as anything but some kids making sport of an overly earnest but ... challenged individual is beyond me. Do people really think this guy has any understanding of Christianity? I guess if you think those Westburo fethers do, then why not this guy, too, huh?

Manchu wrote:That's a good point actually. How this can be taken as anything but some kids making sport of an overly earnest but ... challenged individual is beyond me. Do people really think this guy has any understanding of Christianity? I guess if you think those Westburo fethers do, then why not this guy, too, huh?

Man, the Bible is crazy. It contradicts itself a lot and some parts (esp Leviticus) have all sorts of inane and insane laws. That's part of why Christianity is so varied. This crazy guy could understand his version of Christianity is what I'm gettin at.

I guess so. Right, like how someone can read the instructions on a tube of Preparation H and end up brushing their teeth with it.

anyone who reads a book that has been interpreted so many times and takes it for fact is simply an idiot


how many versions of one book are needed?



quite simply, the fact that they believe that they can do anything, even really bad things, and just go to confession and tell God you did it, and all will be OK, makes me say bull fething gak

I asked my priest in grade school a question, "If a person is born in a place that doesn't know about Jesus lives a great life, taking care of the sick and poor, but doesn't know Jesus, and think of him as God, will they go to Heaven?"

NO was his simple answer. At that point of time I realized this whole thing was BS. So because someone has never heard your story they are doomed for eternity? and people actually believe this gak? I figured it out around the age of 9, there are people who fething have been living by this book their whole lives, and believe every word.


Ever play the game of "Telephone?" One person tells the person next to them a sentence. Then that person tells the person next to them, and so on around in a circle. Well just imagine the last 2000 years as a circle, and this story was made up by the second person, cause they were a prankster who wanted power




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the one thing I really wonder about is


since the beginning of time people have been either straight or gay


young boys were the treat of most sailors throughout history




why the hell is it an issue now?


my theory is because there are a few men who are afraid to admit that they are actually GAY

So you think you figured it all out at nine based on one question answered by one person, huh? How impressive!

Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

It is quite revealing about the quality of this supposed "great debate" that's going on.

Manchu wrote:So you think you figured it all out at nine based on one question answered by one person, huh? How impressive!

really?

is that all you have?


lets debate then


I'll start




"It's all a lie. Many men in power have altered history to make the population their sheep. In order to control the herd they need to know the rules, so you make them up."

"God" is US. collective consciousnesses is real, and that is "GOD" We are all 1


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d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

are there any other groups bashing gay marriage?

seriously?

any?


so yea, it does




JESUS said to love one another, but priests say hate the gays, so..............................................................

DIDM wrote:
lets debate then


I'll start




"It's all a lie. Many men in power have altered history to make the population their sheep. In order to control the herd they need to know the rules, so you make them up."

"God" is US. collective consciousnesses is real, and that is "GOD" We are all 1

You're clearly a genius and I can only bow before your superior wisdom.

I just think going the pretty common route of "Christians are stupid" that is so very prevalent on Dakka seems to go against rule 1.

You can say that certain groups of Christians don't like gays, you can talk about their theology all you want.

But posts like "people believe this gak" "people are stupid for being Christians" and the other stuff that way too often shows up around here is getting pretty tiresome. Maybe I am wrong here but if Christians put up as many threads about "gays believe their livestyle is natural, what kind of gak is that" or "gays are stupid for thinking that they are not going to hell" then there would be plenty of warnings issued and threads closed (not my personal thoughts on gays BTW).

Just tired of the attacks and the hostility that seems to go without punishment. I know moderation is private, but the fact that it has been going on for almost 3 months now without any sign of letting off makes me feel like it is okay. Maybe I just need to take more chill pills until the summer vacation is over and people have more important things to worry about.


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DIDM wrote:

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

are there any other groups bashing gay marriage?

seriously?

any?


so yea, it does

Have you spoken with every denomination and every Christian to know that we are all bashing gay marriage? Cause I didn't get the survey.

If you are generalizing you just make yourself look foolish.

d-usa wrote:Maybe I just need to take more chill pills

Yep, that's the answer. I have my prescription refilled hourly.

Manchu wrote:

d-usa wrote:Maybe I just need to take more chill pills

Yep, that's the answer. I have my prescription refilled hourly.

But honestly, if I were to start as many threads talking about "gays are stupid for not believing in God and their sins" as there are threads talking about "Christians are stupid" I wouldn't get in trouble?

I am always pretty dang good with not being all up in people's faces about my religion, but people who are always all up in people's faces about how stupid their religion is never seem to stop.

Depressing.

Sebtser will be along shortly to explain that he nowhere stated that Christians are dumb. The ... er, quality of DIDM's posts on this issue speaks for itself.

d-usa wrote:I just think going the pretty common route of "Christians are stupid" that is so very prevalent on Dakka seems to go against rule 1.

You can say that certain groups of Christians don't like gays, you can talk about their theology all you want.

But posts like "people believe this gak" "people are stupid for being Christians" and the other stuff that way too often shows up around here is getting pretty tiresome. Maybe I am wrong here but if Christians put up as many threads about "gays believe their livestyle is natural, what kind of gak is that" or "gays are stupid for thinking that they are not going to hell" then there would be plenty of warnings issued and threads closed (not my personal thoughts on gays BTW).

Just tired of the attacks and the hostility that seems to go without punishment. I know moderation is private, but the fact that it has been going on for almost 3 months now without any sign of letting off makes me feel like it is okay. Maybe I just need to take more chill pills until the summer vacation is over and people have more important things to worry about.


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DIDM wrote:

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

are there any other groups bashing gay marriage?

seriously?

any?


so yea, it does

Have you spoken with every denomination and every Christian to know that we are all bashing gay marriage? Cause I didn't get the survey.

If you are generalizing you just make yourself look foolish.

maybe you didn't read my post?


can you tell me another group doing this?


maybe you folks should DISTANCE yourselves from these nutjobs that are ruining your good name as a Christian

as far as I have heard, No ONE is stepping in to cut any of these crazy groups out of YOUR Religion. So in my opinion, they are accepted as part of YOUR GROUP

seriously, does THE CHURCH denounce them? I'm pretty sure they are strongly supported by Christians, as they are a Christian group. Maybe if all other Christians stood up to these idiots then maybe, just maybe I'd listen. But I still won't believe in a book written by men in power. I'm not a slave to superstition, but I try and help others and be a decent human. Why anyone started treating a figment of their imagination better than their neighbor is beyond even my imagination.

DIDM wrote:I try and help others and be a decent human

Next step: stop painting a huge swath of people as ignorant bigots.

Manchu wrote:

DIDM wrote:I try and help others and be a decent human

Next step: stop painting a huge swath of people as ignorant bigots.

like I said, NO ONE is distancing themselves from this group

does that mean you support them, or not?



IMO, if the church didn't support their theory, they would maybe publicly DENOUNCE them.


and seriously, I'd venture MOST all Catholics denounce gays. I have stated many times that I was raised in a Catholic family and my sister is now my brother, so honestly, I'm not talking gak, just fact. My priest and family denounced her for being gay. My Dad doesn't even know about the change, it would blow his mind.

Sad thing is there is a good amount of American Christians who see homosexuality as "evil" because a book that's a translation of an edit of a translation of a edit etc claims it to be so.

However, they are not all bigots and the number of the opposing Christians are ether not reported or simply in too small enough groups to make a real impact when these idiots are spouting on about other human beings activities, because a 2000 year old book tells them too,

Again, Religon poisons the mind.

Tosh taking it all the way back to the Garden of Eden and Original Sin.

Well it sounds like you are talking about something that is much more personal than a national news item there, DIDM. I'd venture to guess that you don't know many practicing Catholics anymore or have much to do with them. I'd venture that you don't go to mass, for example. And I'd venture that a lot of your opinions are filtered through a lens of hateful prejudice that your idiosyncratic personal experience frankly cannot excuse.

Because if you did know many Catholics, you'd discover a huge group of people who don't have anything in common with this cereal burner. And if you did go to mass, you wouldn't hear much -- or probably anything at all (I know I never have) -- about anyone going to hell over this or that, including being gay or transgendered. And if you didn't believe that your own individual experience was conclusive for all the other billion Catholics on this earth, you just might find that it is in fact not even slightly representative.

Manchu wrote:So you think you figured it all out at nine based on one question answered by one person, huh? How impressive!

Well given the question and the ramifications of the answer its easy for even a 9 year old to see some potentially fatal flaws in Catholic doctrine.

anyone who reads a book that has been interpreted so many times and takes it for fact is simply an idiot

Overly trusting and/or dillusional yes but not necessarily an idiot. Some people are predispositioned towards religion and religion is usually a focal point of communities/cultures so its not suprising that people take, for example, the bible at face value.

DIDM wrote:anyone who reads a book that has been interpreted so many times and takes it for fact is simply an idiot


how many versions of one book are needed?



quite simply, the fact that they believe that they can do anything, even really bad things, and just go to confession and tell God you did it, and all will be OK, makes me say bull fething gak

I asked my priest in grade school a question, "If a person is born in a place that doesn't know about Jesus lives a great life, taking care of the sick and poor, but doesn't know Jesus, and think of him as God, will they go to Heaven?"

NO was his simple answer. At that point of time I realized this whole thing was BS. So because someone has never heard your story they are doomed for eternity? and people actually believe this gak? I figured it out around the age of 9, there are people who fething have been living by this book their whole lives, and believe every word.


Ever play the game of "Telephone?" One person tells the person next to them a sentence. Then that person tells the person next to them, and so on around in a circle. Well just imagine the last 2000 years as a circle, and this story was made up by the second person, cause they were a prankster who wanted power




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the one thing I really wonder about is


since the beginning of time people have been either straight or gay


young boys were the treat of most sailors throughout history




why the hell is it an issue now?


my theory is because there are a few men who are afraid to admit that they are actually GAY

Wow I think this post qualifies as the one of the worst I have seen on dakka. Full of misinformed, uneducated...what I would call "flailing". I've go to run to work..or I would give a proper responce.

GG

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

You fail to understand. Dakka has to have at least two "Christians are evil and/or stupid" threads going at any one time." It appears to be the law.


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d-usa wrote:I just think going the pretty common route of "Christians are stupid" that is so very prevalent on Dakka seems to go against rule 1.

You can say that certain groups of Christians don't like gays, you can talk about their theology all you want.

But posts like "people believe this gak" "people are stupid for being Christians" and the other stuff that way too often shows up around here is getting pretty tiresome. Maybe I am wrong here but if Christians put up as many threads about "gays believe their livestyle is natural, what kind of gak is that" or "gays are stupid for thinking that they are not going to hell" then there would be plenty of warnings issued and threads closed (not my personal thoughts on gays BTW).

Just tired of the attacks and the hostility that seems to go without punishment. I know moderation is private, but the fact that it has been going on for almost 3 months now without any sign of letting off makes me feel like it is okay. Maybe I just need to take more chill pills until the summer vacation is over and people have more important things to worry about.


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DIDM wrote:

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

are there any other groups bashing gay marriage?

seriously?

any?


so yea, it does

Have you spoken with every denomination and every Christian to know that we are all bashing gay marriage? Cause I didn't get the survey.

If you are generalizing you just make yourself look foolish.

It does. Thread slike this about Mulsims, Hindus, or Buddhists would not be permitted. Ask Matty.


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I think we're missing an important point here. If you grind up, say 20 boxes of cheerios with a pestle, put them in a bellows,and get a lighter, could you make a Mad Max style flame thrower? Have we discovered a new anti zombie weapon?

Non-dairy creamer is much more flammable. There was this episode of Mythbusters where they filled a big pneumatic cannon thingy with the stuff, stuck a flare in the top, and set it off. Pyrotechnic hilarity ensued.

Squigsquasher wrote:Non-dairy creamer is much more flammable. There was this episode of Mythbusters where they filled a big pneumatic cannon thingy with the stuff, stuck a flare in the top, and set it off. Pyrotechnic hilarity ensued.

I must now find this.

I can understand that. Nondairy creamer is basically powdered distilled oil products, aka WOOSH!

Pretty much any powder is incredibly flammable when aerosolised, thermite and flour both work.

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

You fail to understand. Dakka has to have at least two "Christians are evil and/or stupid" threads going at any one time." It appears to be the law.

Much like your Obama threads then.

Palindrome wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

d-usa wrote:Does every story about gay marriage have to turn into a "christians are stupid" thread?

You fail to understand. Dakka has to have at least two "Christians are evil and/or stupid" threads going at any one time." It appears to be the law.

Much like your Obama threads then.

Well, yea!

generalgrog wrote: since I actually believe the Bible

Yeah, about that...

Frazzled wrote:I think we're missing an important point here. If you grind up, say 20 boxes of cheerios with a pestle, put them in a bellows,and get a lighter, could you make a Mad Max style flame thrower? Have we discovered a new anti zombie weapon?

But, those weren't normal cheerios. They were Honey Nut Cheerios.

What if it's the honey that's so flammable?

Are bees mass producing napalm and then making it tasty so we all store it in our homes, so they can easily burn down our cities when the bee wars begin?

Now, I'm not saying that bees are actually super-intelligent alien creatures getting ready to take over the world. But, I think it's pretty clear there's no evidence they aren't aliens.