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Stickmonkey wrote:I am not one to go against Hastings, it's entirely plausible the April slot is tau and I have information wrong. However, my sources are pointing to this 40k supplement book expanding on allies somehow, and how better to promote that than a closely released Tau book, who fluff wise rely on allies heavily? It makes marketing sense, but I guess the argument is when has gw made sense?

Also, with regard to faeit's rumors update.

I can definitely see the supposed cc option being a close range hail of fire unit when it comes to tau. But my sources call it a cc variant, so that's what im reporting.

I heard a long time ago about tau, nid, ork, and eldar terrain being worked on, I can certainly see these coming with codex releases as fortifications. Xenos terrain is sorely missing, but the question is can they sell it? I think if it's army themed and in the codex they can.

librerian_samae wrote:I can back up stick on the xenos terrain for what it's worth, it's been at least ready to be produced for 2ish years, about 2-3 gamesdays back Jez and phil when talking about dark eldar during their preview and were saying about webway kits etc being done and awesome.

At the time however all that was released was the small webway template, maybe they have kept all the xenos terrain back for a big release and/or gap in the release schedule.

shaso_iceborn wrote:I know my sources are "unreliable" at best, but I have been told to watch/start watching for information in March. Of course they still talk about the Mako as well as the Copperhead for flier names. My sources still say June for the release (last year they told me in April to expect a June release they did not say 2013 though) I have also heard the Hammerhead will receive a Swordfish option turret and be one of the first 4-in 1 tank kit boxes with an extra sprue added as well as a price increase. I usually stay silent anymore as people bash terribly but figured I would try to chime in once again.

All I can say is bring it on. Tau. New Tau!!!

It's been too long.

Mecha_buddha wrote:
I understand that these are just rumours and not set in stone, but as somebody getting into 6th and finishing off a Tau army, its a double edged sword.

yes it would be cool to get a new codex with shiny new toys and more fluff/characters. On the other hand | am a little concerned about the majority of my army becoming obsolete or relegated to counts as.

I don't think it'll be that bad. Yeah, looks like new Crisis suits are in order, but Firewarriors, the current vehicles, Kroot, and all the drones won't get new models.

Its not always about new models... While tau is my main army (they are the ones I take to tournaments, play in local leagues, etc.) I also have a few other xenos bands...specifically crons and nids (yes, I am that kind of glutton for punishment).

As someone who actually played crons in 5th (Yes, the older dex - I never claimed to be smart) and had some old nids....I know exactly what this double edged sword is about...
(ask how many nid players used carnifexes in 5th...or how many cron players used their ctan's or monoliths after the new dex).

Its about the newer units being just ...better...than the older ones. Or maybe,you don't want to convert them....(wanna know how many metal gauss immortals I had?) or that once fun unit sits on the shelf (ever see a nightbringer at a soup kitchen or try to get a job at a temp agency...its sad really) for whatever reason.

Oh, yeah, if there are new suits...I will run my old ones. if they are crisis suits, and that unit is still the powerhorse it is now. Of course if its just new weapons, the majority of my tau army is fully magnitized, so that may just be weapon swaps.

Regardless or possible "unit obsolesce" I am excited about the possibility of new dex....and THIS time, I think we may actually get it.
Of course this is not based upon the excitement of "no, this time its real!" kind of thing...its just the plain fact there are so few old books left....

Anyway, honestly, one of the biggest things I want to see is a good solid dex, that can be further kept up to standards with minor rules tweaks (the current one can, for the most part...but that is another story) not too good (one of my armies was shelved when their new dex came out...it was embarassing) and not too meh (I won't mention names., but I love their models...).

The next thing I want....please for the love of all that is holy, please put FW models in there.
Support those who have supported you all these years.

Pak out....

 Kroothawk wrote:

shaso_iceborn wrote:I know my sources are "unreliable" at best, but I have been told to watch/start watching for information in March. Of course they still talk about the Mako as well as the Copperhead for flier names. My sources still say June for the release (last year they told me in April to expect a June release they did not say 2013 though) I have also heard the Hammerhead will receive a Swordfish option turret and be one of the first 4-in 1 tank kit boxes with an extra sprue added as well as a price increase. I usually stay silent anymore as people bash terribly but figured I would try to chime in once again.

Swordfish? Haven't heard that one...could it be something like FW's turret options from the Taros Campaign IA book? A 4-in-1 tank kit is pretty believable, considering GW's recent love for multi-kits. I can see it being priced like the new Chaos Forgefiend/Maulerfiend kit ($66 USD).

I can say that I am firmly in the camp of folks that want to see some love for the Forge World models, however, I would really like to see some completely new and original units, too. If we get XV9s and Remoras, for example, I don't see them being all that different in price from their resin counterparts. Granted, there are some great discount retailers out there that would give us a good deal on them, but I kind of like the exclusivity that the FW units provide, not so much in terms of playing the game (I'm not a tourney player), but in terms of owning a model that most folks just drool over. That being said, I'd love to get an XV9 in plastic, with a big sprue with all the weapon options!

I tried ordering broadside guns and was Told that they are out of stock at gw and unlikely to be renewed!

davou wrote:
I tried ordering broadside guns and was Told that they are out of stock at gw and unlikely to be renewed!

Don't get your hopes up too much. Especially if it was your FLGS or even local GW Storefront. More often than not, the reps know just as much, if not less than those of us on the net about upcoming releases.

Additionally, as stated during several rumor threads past, this fall/winter season is pretty much hashed out to WoC, LotR, DA, and Daemons. Unless GW throws everybody for a loop and gets a surprise release for Tau, we're not going to see the Codex drop until at least Spring, if not early Summer. That being said, it's highly unlikely that they will cease sale/production of the Broadside upgrade kit for that long. It's also listed as backordered for 1-2 weeks on the US GW site. Sorry to dash your hopes, but as the reliable rumor sources said, not until at least Q2 2013...

I'm good either way.... I'll either get an updated kit, or I can get them when they arent back-ordered anymore

Im Wondering if the Mech they are talking about is kinda like the new forgefiend. I wnat a tau version of that.


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davou wrote:
I tried ordering broadside guns and was Told that they are out of stock at gw and unlikely to be renewed!

I ordered one two weeks ago. I called all this week :( Nothing, Even the owner told me that they will call me when it arrives because it never takes this long.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im Wondering if the Mech they are talking about is kinda like the new forgefiend. I wnat a tau version of that.

Ugly and overpriced?

Previous Crisis Suits were Appleseed+Robotech. I'm wondering if this new gen will be Code Geass+Macross Frontier.

It'd be really nice if Devilfish could replace their gun drones with shield drones for a pinpoint barrier system.

 spectreoneone wrote:
Swordfish? Haven't heard that one...could it be something like FW's turret options from the Taros Campaign IA book?

It is a Hammerhead with twin linked Railguns from the Epic ruleset:

Epic Rules wrote:The Swordfish is also a relatively new addition to the Tau armed forces, being based on the familiar chassis of the Hammerhead and Devilfish. Its defining feature is, without a doubt, the huge twin-linked Railgun mounted on its turret, which makes it extremely effective at taking out enemy armour at great range. This was exactly the role it has been built to fulfil, after the sometimes painful experiences with Imperial armour and heavy armour won during the Damocles crusade.

In typical Tau fashion, it is not a replacement for, but an addition to the Hammerhead, taking on targets that are exceptionally well armoured. However, the design isn’t fully developed yet and the Swordfish is suffering from some minor problems as a consequence, especially during long-term campaigns. It requires an extensive amount of maintenance and repair/refit with spare parts, but its impressive fighting capabilities make up for this drawback.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 spectreoneone wrote:
Swordfish? Haven't heard that one...could it be something like FW's turret options from the Taros Campaign IA book?

It is a Hammerhead with twin linked Railguns from the Epic ruleset:

Epic Rules wrote:The Swordfish is also a relatively new addition to the Tau armed forces, being based on the familiar chassis of the Hammerhead and Devilfish. Its defining feature is, without a doubt, the huge twin-linked Railgun mounted on its turret, which makes it extremely effective at taking out enemy armour at great range. This was exactly the role it has been built to fulfil, after the sometimes painful experiences with Imperial armour and heavy armour won during the Damocles crusade.

In typical Tau fashion, it is not a replacement for, but an addition to the Hammerhead, taking on targets that are exceptionally well armoured. However, the design isn’t fully developed yet and the Swordfish is suffering from some minor problems as a consequence, especially during long-term campaigns. It requires an extensive amount of maintenance and repair/refit with spare parts, but its impressive fighting capabilities make up for this drawback.

Ah, thanks Kroot. Never played Epic, so I hadn't heard of it before. Kind of sounds like a redundant option to have that will end up costing way too many points to replace Broadsides. As it stands right now, with the addition of HP to vehicles and the beefing up of 2+ armor saves, Hammerheads are finding a smaller and smaller place in my army, never mind that I can get 2 Broadsides for the price of one Railhead. I just hope that when the new codex drops, they fixed the cost of many of the units. That's what we need more than anything, as many of our units have wacky point values.

davou wrote:
I tried ordering broadside guns and was Told that they are out of stock at gw and unlikely to be renewed!

The US online store has them listed as:
" Availability:
This product is expected to despatch in one to two weeks."

Who knows how long they have been listed in that way?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im Wondering if the Mech they are talking about is kinda like the new forgefiend. I wnat a tau version of that.


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davou wrote:
I tried ordering broadside guns and was Told that they are out of stock at gw and unlikely to be renewed!

I ordered one two weeks ago. I called all this week :( Nothing, Even the owner told me that they will call me when it arrives because it never takes this long.

Same over here too at my GW store, I ordered it weeks ago and still nothing... the store even had to give me a store Broadside for the tournament they were running since it wasnt showing.

If it doesnt show up this week. Im taking the crisis suit i made and making it into a regular one. If it takes 3 weeks it might take longer.


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RogueRegault wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Im Wondering if the Mech they are talking about is kinda like the new forgefiend. I wnat a tau version of that.

Ugly and overpriced?

Previous Crisis Suits were Appleseed+Robotech. I'm wondering if this new gen will be Code Geass+Macross Frontier.

It'd be really nice if Devilfish could replace their gun drones with shield drones for a pinpoint barrier system.

I mean big/Centerpiece of an army.
Decry all you want about how it looks, you cant deny when it comes on the field, Eyes are drawn to it.

I wonder if they are going to make shadowsun's upgrades available to the rest of the army. Dual weapon stealth suits would be fun.

Also, If Tau don't have something with "missile lock" I am going to be supremely disappointed.

I hope They also make it so commanders can take Stealth Suits.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hope They also make it so commanders can take Stealth Suits.

Very much this. Though I hope they keep shadowsun in the codex.

 DakkaHammer wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hope They also make it so commanders can take Stealth Suits.

Very much this. Though I hope they keep shadowsun in the codex.

I hope they rewrite her statline completely. A special character that isn't an IC, has short ranged weapons and a leadership banner in a long ranged army, and gets ID'd by plasma? What were they thinking?

RogueRegault wrote:

 DakkaHammer wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I hope They also make it so commanders can take Stealth Suits.

Very much this. Though I hope they keep shadowsun in the codex.

I hope they rewrite her statline completely. A special character that isn't an IC, has short ranged weapons and a leadership banner in a long ranged army, and gets ID'd by plasma? What were they thinking?

I have had a lot of success with her. A pair of deepstriking meltas that can pop two different vehicles and hit on 2's (not to mention eat pretty much anything else). She has epic saves, extra drones, and can jetpack away from danger now. The LD thing is just an extra that I ignore, unless my other stealth suits go farther upfield.

 spectreoneone wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

 spectreoneone wrote:
Swordfish? Haven't heard that one...could it be something like FW's turret options from the Taros Campaign IA book?

It is a Hammerhead with twin linked Railguns from the Epic ruleset:

Epic Rules wrote:The Swordfish is also a relatively new addition to the Tau armed forces, being based on the familiar chassis of the Hammerhead and Devilfish. Its defining feature is, without a doubt, the huge twin-linked Railgun mounted on its turret, which makes it extremely effective at taking out enemy armour at great range. This was exactly the role it has been built to fulfil, after the sometimes painful experiences with Imperial armour and heavy armour won during the Damocles crusade.

In typical Tau fashion, it is not a replacement for, but an addition to the Hammerhead, taking on targets that are exceptionally well armoured. However, the design isn’t fully developed yet and the Swordfish is suffering from some minor problems as a consequence, especially during long-term campaigns. It requires an extensive amount of maintenance and repair/refit with spare parts, but its impressive fighting capabilities make up for this drawback.

Ah, thanks Kroot. Never played Epic, so I hadn't heard of it before. Kind of sounds like a redundant option to have that will end up costing way too many points to replace Broadsides. As it stands right now, with the addition of HP to vehicles and the beefing up of 2+ armor saves, Hammerheads are finding a smaller and smaller place in my army, never mind that I can get 2 Broadsides for the price of one Railhead. I just hope that when the new codex drops, they fixed the cost of many of the units. That's what we need more than anything, as many of our units have wacky point values.

I dunno. The obvious thing to do is simply not give it submunitions. That way you choose either a slightly less reliable Railgun that can also take on infantry well, or a far more reliable railgun that's only effective against armour.

And if it DOES have submunitions, Where does that leave Broadsides? Broadsides will have to get cheaper or have more tricks up their sleeve.

 spectreoneone wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:
Hopefully Tau Fighter Drones offer up a choice for CHEAP air choices.

Like, cheap as in 100 points per model kindve cheap. I don't care if they are AV10 all sides and BS3 with STR 4 or 5 guns, I want to be able to field a cheap but filled out air force.

I had seen rumors of the Chaos Heldrake clocking in at around 170 points, but I seriously doubt it. And I want a Squadron of fliers!

As it stands right now, if you're willing to shell out about $60, you can get a pack of two Remoras from Forge World that fit those criteria. Not exactly cheap, but priced very similarly to GW's other flyers. Only thing holding them back is the fact that they only have TL LB Burst Cannons, a networked markerlight, and two seeker missiles, which limits their effectiveness against armor, but if GW releases them in the new codex and amps them up with a heavier hitting weapon option to change the LB BCs out with, they would definitely be a much more viable option.

Thanks for the heads up!

It seems you could field 2 Barraccuda's and 5 Remoras in a regular list with 3 FA choices, if you go by the new IA.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And if it DOES have submunitions, Where does that leave Broadsides? Broadsides will have to get cheaper or have more tricks up their sleeve.

True, however you can get 2 XV88s for close to the price of one Railhead. I'd be willing to bet that you'd be able to get a full squad for the same price, or less, than the Swordfish option. 1TL railgun shot vs 3? I'll take the 88's with a pair of shield drones. With that 2+, they're definitely more survivable than a 3HP 13/12/10. The 88's only downfall is that ridiculous T4.

Now, if they were to add Skyfire to the Swordfish...well, that would change my mind. But, honestly, the submunition option is just not enough to pull me away from 88's. I'd rather have the FW fusion cannon or LB BC option for the HH.

Yeah,
What Im hoping for is something like making stealth suits along the line of sternguard. Giving burst Cannons Specials Adaptable Ammo.
For something that operates in the outfield it isnt adaptable

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Yeah,
What Im hoping for is something like making stealth suits along the line of sternguard. Giving burst Cannons Specials Adaptable Ammo.
For something that operates in the outfield it isnt adaptable

That's not a bad idea, but my problem with the BC is its lack of punch against anything better than GEQ. I'd like to see an anti-MEQ weapon for the Stealthsuits. I'd love to have the rail rifle, or even the plasma rifle, as an option for that role. I think that if they can carry FBs, they should be able to carry those.

I would like to see something like an grenade launcher wuld be cool.
Really, Stealth Suits need options.
but TBH we might very well get them, Remember how few Necrons and grey knights had? Then they exploded with units and options.

Yea, giving the stealthys rail rifles has always been a great idea for me. They would have been better last ed with the old night fighting rules but even now, I would never take a burst cannon again on them.

Saw this on the GW site.



Looks like they're getting slightly darker aesthetics

 spectreoneone wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
And if it DOES have submunitions, Where does that leave Broadsides? Broadsides will have to get cheaper or have more tricks up their sleeve.

True, however you can get 2 XV88s for close to the price of one Railhead. I'd be willing to bet that you'd be able to get a full squad for the same price, or less, than the Swordfish option. 1TL railgun shot vs 3? I'll take the 88's with a pair of shield drones. With that 2+, they're definitely more survivable than a 3HP 13/12/10. The 88's only downfall is that ridiculous T4.

Now, if they were to add Skyfire to the Swordfish...well, that would change my mind. But, honestly, the submunition option is just not enough to pull me away from 88's. I'd rather have the FW fusion cannon or LB BC option for the HH.

Don't forget that that 3HP 13/12/10 tank has (at the moment at least) a 3+ cover save in the open if it moves and 2+ cover behind a ruin whether it moves or not against shooting over 12" away thanks to Disruption Pods. Considering it will always have a Multi-tracker and therefore be able to move 12" and still fire 2 of its guns at full BS it becomes quite tricky for an opponent to get within that 12" to negate the Disruption Pods.

That makes our Hammerheads tougher than a Land Raider. A Railgun will roll a Glance or Penetrate on a Hammerhead 2/3rds of the time. However, in the open after moving, 1/3 of those successful shots will be negated, resulting in a 2/9 chance of losing a hull point from a successful Railgun Shot.

A Land Raider in the open has a 1/2 chance of losing a Hull Point to a Rail Gun Shot.

Behind a ruin the Land Raider will have a 1/4 chance whilst the Hammerhead has a 1/9 chance of losing a Hull Point.

Also, if you ever play against a Necron list with lots of Warriors then you'll miss not having that Submunition Round. It kills them by the handful, making it easier to wipe out entire units and deny them their get back up save.

Wouldn't surprise me if a Railhead got a points reduction (to say 30?) and a Swordfish became the new 50pt (or even 60pt) option.

If that railgun "beam" rule comes into effect, the Swordfish might get some sort of special benefit out of it if it's twin-linked. Double penetration distance?