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2012/10/19 15:06:20
Subject: Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Absolutely ridiculous, how many times have I said it though? This gak is going to happen because of the state of our police service.
They hardly ever recruit streetwise working class lads anymore, they don't take rough and tumble ex SF guys or genuinely intelligent veteran squaddies who are cool under pressure and articulate. No, it all changed when labour took over and suddenly they wanted everyone to have a degree.
I know loads of lads have tried out for them on leaving the service, I don't know a one that got a job though, they go for obese women with degrees in latin or spotty dweebs with the street smarts of a 15 year old Czechoslovakian peasant that was human trafficked into London.
I remember when I got busted for pissing behind a phone box about ten years ago.. the copper needlessly gak himself when I said "come on mate theres no need to nick me" in a not even remotely threatening way.. he whipped his spring loaded truncheon out and started holding it in front of his face like a lightsaber going "STAY BACK! STAY BACK!" while me and all my friends looked bemused. The only coppers I ever have a good dealing with (there are still plenty obviously) are always the wrong side of 40.
Ask yourself this, would a calm man used to dealing with pressure run up behind a blind bloke and taze the gak out of him? There is absolutely no way you can possibly mistake a thin, short white thing for a sword unless you are either blind as a bat yourself, or verging on panic. Clearly his pulse was racing because he heard the word "sword" his adrenaline was going, and as a result of him being a fething pansy he fried the guy without even challenging him.
Its not even his fault really, it's the fault of the establishment, Police training is weak, and any spineless cretin can do it. They should beast coppers as per the military, they should have a training bleed (some people actually fail the course) and either give them a backbone or fire them.
Add in a tough twice yearly fitness test so they maintain the confidence and composure you innately have when you are aware you are extremely fit and capable, and this kind of thing will be a rarity.
Instead of the fat, saggy, terrified of their own shadow graduates that currently make up 75% of our grossly incompetent police force nowadays.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
2012/10/19 15:15:38
Subject: Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Ask yourself this, would a calm man used to dealing with pressure run up behind a blind bloke and taze the gak out of him? .
It depends. How much would I have to pay to be able to do that?
I can see a new Vegas attraction now.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2012/10/19 15:20:19
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
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Wow, this is just way dumb.
Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
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Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
eh. You're part right. There are plenty of cops that see tasers and mace as enablers of poor policing. But yes the issue here is not the issued equipment.
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2012/10/19 16:06:27
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
eh. You're part right. There are plenty of cops that see tasers and mace as enablers of poor policing. But yes the issue here is not the issued equipment.
You rang?
2012/10/19 16:08:52
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
eh. You're part right. There are plenty of cops that see tasers and mace as enablers of poor policing. But yes the issue here is not the issued equipment.
You rang?
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
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Grey Templar wrote: [
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
If you prefer, I can give you some others.
How about a homeless mentally ill man being beaten to death by officers of the law.
2012/10/19 16:21:12
Subject: Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/19 16:43:12
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Grey Templar wrote: [
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
If you prefer, I can give you some others.
How about a homeless mentally ill man being beaten to death by officers of the law.
Pray tell, if you have a point, what is it?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
2012/10/19 16:47:34
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Yeah, its way too blurry to tell what was going on. The guy was obviously not cooperating with the cops and we have no idea of what happened before the video.
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Meh. I hate, hate, HATE the police. And I mean HATE. Bunch of incompetent, stuck up, pretentious, pompous gits need to die painfully.
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2012/10/19 16:49:15
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
eh. You're part right. There are plenty of cops that see tasers and mace as enablers of poor policing. But yes the issue here is not the issued equipment.
You rang?
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
We aren't going to agree but the police response was disproportionate and therefore brutal, hence police brutality.
2012/10/19 16:52:24
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
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2012/10/19 16:57:56
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Of course the issue here isn't that the Cop had a Taser. Its that you had a dumb cop.
Remember, Stupidity needs no enabler. The person will be stupid and hurt people whether he has a gun, taser, or red GW whippy stick.
eh. You're part right. There are plenty of cops that see tasers and mace as enablers of poor policing. But yes the issue here is not the issued equipment.
You rang?
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
We aren't going to agree but the police response was disproportionate and therefore brutal, hence police brutality.
If you watch the full unedited version of the video, you will see that the protesters had encircled the officers and were preventing them from leaving. While at the same time demanding the officers leave. They also demanded the officers release people they had arrested, while implying the threat of violence.
These things are a threat to the safety of the officers, and would actually validate the use of physical force.
The officers instead gave multiple warnings they were going to use pepper spray. The protesters were fully aware pepper spray was going to be deployed. The officers made it abundantly clear, even shaking the can for about a minute before deploying it.
All in all, the officers behaved in a very professional manner. The protesters behaved like the scum of the earth.
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Warning: Stupid Allergy
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2012/10/19 17:11:04
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Grey Templar wrote: [
O look, its that one example of so called "police brutality" thats been so throughly disproven its not even relavent any more.
Seriously, watch the full unedited version of the video. The police response was very light handed. I would have personally called in the SWAT to extract the officers if I had been overseeing the situation.
If you prefer, I can give you some others.
How about a homeless mentally ill man being beaten to death by officers of the law.
Pray tell, if you have a point, what is it?
That reliance on tasers, pepper spray, firearms and overwhelming force are not ways to effectively protect and serve.
As Matty said earlier, a good deal of older British police are also able to deploy two terrifying weapons in their arsenal, common sense and empathy. It seems to be lacking lately on both sides of the Atlantic.
2012/10/19 17:21:17
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
If you watch the full unedited version of the video, you will see that the protesters had encircled the officers and were preventing them from leaving. While at the same time demanding the officers leave. They also demanded the officers release people they had arrested, while implying the threat of violence.
These things are a threat to the safety of the officers, and would actually validate the use of physical force.
The officers instead gave multiple warnings they were going to use pepper spray. The protesters were fully aware pepper spray was going to be deployed. The officers made it abundantly clear, even shaking the can for about a minute before deploying it.
All in all, the officers behaved in a very professional manner. The protesters behaved like the scum of the earth.
I've seen the footage, but the "threat of violence" you mentioned requires an amount of mental gymnastics. They didn't threaten anyone with violence, they simply refused to allow them to leave, which while inconvenient isn't violent by any means. If the police had acted professionally they would have arrested the protesters for unlawful detainment, or whatever law they broke. To be honest, I'd rather not derail this thread with this old argument.
2012/10/19 17:23:06
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Unlawful imprisonment is a threatening action. Not allowing someone to leave is imprisonment, which by its definition is a violent threat.
Violence =/= physical harm.
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As Matty said earlier, a good deal of older British police are also able to deploy two terrifying weapons in their arsenal, common sense and empathy. It seems to be lacking lately on both sides of the Atlantic.
Aye you know what I mean though, my old man always goes on about how good the rozzers where when he was a kid, they were all beat bobbies who knew the area, knew your name, all ex-commandos and gak like that, big grizzly blokes with big moustaches and big hearts who were always ready to give you a clip round the ear and chase burglars.
Now they gak themselves when they see criminals, its on the radio for reinforcements not "Oi!" and chase the fethers.
Thats why there is brutality, it makes perfect logical sense. A calm copper who is confident isn't gaking himself, so he doesn't needlessly lash out at people. Why did that copper push that bloke over who died last year? He wasn't even a threat at all.. its because he was edgy and jumpy and when the guy appeared in his peripheral he went "Woah!" and lashed out, they do it all time.
Im a good judge of character, I can tell within ten seconds of meeting a copper if its a good one or a bad one. A good one looks confident and self assured and is polite, a bad one gets in your face because he is jumpy as feth. I remember only last year we were malingering outside my mates birds house cos we were staying at hers and we got split up on the walk back from the boozer, anyway a meat wagon and two cars rocked up because they apparently seen a suspicious group on a CCTV or something.. two cars and a meat wagon and about fething 9 coppers turned up, there was only 3 of us.
Anyway, the back door burst open and they all steamed over, I remember training with the RUC/PSNI in 2000 and getting taught "chat up" technique, which is basically the rules for trying to keep a situation calm, its gak like stand on a slight angle when addressing someone (something to do with primal confrontational urges when you are square on facing someone) standing several yards away, gak like that.
This one fether steamed over, stood square on to me and about 3 inches from my face and started proper giving me gak... I had a RM tshirt on and he started saying "Oh are you a tough guy then are you eh?" like within 2 seconds of coming over, never even asked what we were doing there or anything.. almost like he wanted me to swing for him so he had an excuse to nick me or something.. maybe its got something to do with hitting "targets" or some such nonsense.
Anyway, the point is, you can be a law abiding citizen and not like coppers. Its perfectly sensible, because sure plenty of them are sound... but their standards and training is clearly lacking and as a result half of them are fething bell-ends!
I always find the short, fat, obviously ridiculed at school women are the worst ones.
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2012/10/19 17:34:52
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
If you watch the full unedited version of the video, you will see that the protesters had encircled the officers and were preventing them from leaving. While at the same time demanding the officers leave. They also demanded the officers release people they had arrested, while implying the threat of violence.
These things are a threat to the safety of the officers, and would actually validate the use of physical force.
The officers instead gave multiple warnings they were going to use pepper spray. The protesters were fully aware pepper spray was going to be deployed. The officers made it abundantly clear, even shaking the can for about a minute before deploying it.
All in all, the officers behaved in a very professional manner. The protesters behaved like the scum of the earth.
I've seen the footage, but the "threat of violence" you mentioned requires an amount of mental gymnastics. They didn't threaten anyone with violence, they simply refused to allow them to leave, which while inconvenient isn't violent by any means. If the police had acted professionally they would have arrested the protesters for unlawful detainment, or whatever law they broke. To be honest, I'd rather not derail this thread with this old argument.
I don't think you get what you just said. In the states "refusing to allow them to leave" is unlawful imprisonment/kidnapping. I can legally blow you to hell for trying that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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2012/10/19 17:36:28
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/19 17:37:28
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
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Big City cops maybe. Every cop I've met is real nice and all my buddies have met real nice cops.
Maybe its a West Coast thing.
Anyway, they are still officers of the law. If you are a law abiding citizen you can just comply and leave in peace. If your rights are violated, sure you have the right to speak up.
Just because a cops being rude doesn't mean you can be rude back. Its not right, and its certaintly not smart.
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Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
2012/10/19 17:45:33
Subject: Re:Blind stroke victim tasered by police because his walking stick looked like 'a Samurai sword'
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Just because someone is doing something wrong doesn't mean you can too. Didn't your mother ever tell you that
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To be fair, in New York you could miss your target and still hit a criminal
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