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 captain collius wrote:
jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
 Sigvatr wrote:
tedurur wrote:
The Sky shield is really a terrible piece of rules writing. 75pts to give my 9 war walkers a 4++ save? A save that I can fortune?
I wouldnt bring that to anything other than a tourney and I usually dont play the softest list in friendlies...


They are banned at most tournaments, both for size and ridicolously overpowered rules. Landing Pad should be at least 150 points.


hmm maybe in Germany, not at all in the states that i've come across


They were banned at NOVA. I think size was the first concern rather than op.


At the local tournaments here they solved the size issue by saying you could replace a piece of terrain with the bastion or what not does not solve anything being OP but since all the terrain is prearranged it works out well for the large pieces.
   
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I agree wholeheartedly think about an all Deathwing list now we drop in shields in front and shooters behind Its stupid good.

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I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.

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 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


If your opponent has his platform unfurled against a daemons player in his deployment half, then smack him.

You will scatter if it is furled and go ahead and try to flame my squads... 4+ invuln and that flamers unit(s) will take a torrent of fire the next turn to wipe them out.

Don't be baited by the Skyshield! Get a FMC over there and then assault the poo out of the dudes on top.

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 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness


Be careful with volume of placement. Obviously depends on your opponents, but if you fill that platform with Lootas, I will start asking you to check LOS on each model and then throw frag templates in there to make volume of saves versus quality. People with barrage weapons would be even worse.

Just a friendly tip I had someone cluster up in their skyshield versus mine... the found out what it was like to eat 15 small blast templates and clean it out first turn. When 5 of them are twin linked, it's even more gross.

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TheKbob wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness


Be careful with volume of placement. Obviously depends on your opponents, but if you fill that platform with Lootas, I will start asking you to check LOS on each model and then throw frag templates in there to make volume of saves versus quality. People with barrage weapons would be even worse.

Just a friendly tip I had someone cluster up in their skyshield versus mine... the found out what it was like to eat 15 small blast templates and clean it out first turn. When 5 of them are twin linked, it's even more gross.


the LOS works both ways, if you're close enough to be tossing granades odds are you couldn't kill all of them anyways. Plus I'm not afraid to go to ground, its a piece of Open Area terrain up on top for a 2+ cover save.

I've been trying out 3 mobs of 10, so it would be hard to hit all 3 units in one round of shooting. especially when you're just as likely to scatter off the pad, as into another unit.

Its working ok for me so far, but I wouldn't call it godly. If nothing else when you drop it in the middle of your 1/2 of the table, your opponent will place terrain and if he deploys first, set up focusing on the pad. Then when I do get to deploy second, I can deploy elsewhere Including underneath if he's bringing a bunch of barrage weapons

 
   
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sirlynchmob wrote:
TheKbob wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness


Be careful with volume of placement. Obviously depends on your opponents, but if you fill that platform with Lootas, I will start asking you to check LOS on each model and then throw frag templates in there to make volume of saves versus quality. People with barrage weapons would be even worse.

Just a friendly tip I had someone cluster up in their skyshield versus mine... the found out what it was like to eat 15 small blast templates and clean it out first turn. When 5 of them are twin linked, it's even more gross.


the LOS works both ways, if you're close enough to be tossing granades odds are you couldn't kill all of them anyways. Plus I'm not afraid to go to ground, its a piece of Open Area terrain up on top for a 2+ cover save.

I've been trying out 3 mobs of 10, so it would be hard to hit all 3 units in one round of shooting. especially when you're just as likely to scatter off the pad, as into another unit.

Its working ok for me so far, but I wouldn't call it godly. If nothing else when you drop it in the middle of your 1/2 of the table, your opponent will place terrain and if he deploys first, set up focusing on the pad. Then when I do get to deploy second, I can deploy elsewhere Including underneath if he's bringing a bunch of barrage weapons


Nah, man, not grenades. Long fangs. 13 ML + 2 PC, 5 of them twin linked. If you bunch of too much for LOS, I don't care if you have a 2+ save. You'll get 1/2 less hits (or hitting 1/6 times), through weight of fire, I kill some.

Making you shoot poorly is just as good as wiping out the squad.

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BRB p.120, top left of the page : ''Fortifications must be set up wholly (not half, so you can't set it in the middle of the battlefield) within the owning player's table half and not within 3'' of another fortification

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It can be quite nasty for setting up a shooting style Eldar army. Eldrad and a Farseer (Guide/Fortune) join a cheap squad on the skyshield accompanied by 2 x 3 War Walkers with Scatterlasers. I can now have the Farseers squad with Fortune and both War Walker squadrons with Guide/Fortune. If you want harder hitting power, use Missile Launchers; this will also allow it to be set further back as they have a 48" range. A 4+ inv save with rerolls makes up for how fragile the War Walker is.

Some large tournaments have been about the only thing I've seen ban this particular piece of kit.

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 TheKbob wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness


Be careful with volume of placement. Obviously depends on your opponents, but if you fill that platform with Lootas, I will start asking you to check LOS on each model and then throw frag templates in there to make volume of saves versus quality. People with barrage weapons would be even worse.

Just a friendly tip I had someone cluster up in their skyshield versus mine... the found out what it was like to eat 15 small blast templates and clean it out first turn. When 5 of them are twin linked, it's even more gross.


Wouldnt you still get a 4++ against barrage weapons?

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MarkyMark wrote:
 TheKbob wrote:
sirlynchmob wrote:
 undertow wrote:
I think it's already been said here, but as a Daemons player, I would love to see my opponent bring a Skyshield pad. It gives me a no scatter zone in their deployment zone? Yes please.

Unless they pack that thing tight, I'm going to land on it with my Flamers. And if they pack it tight, I'm going to land near it with my flamers.


well the one I use is never unfurled. and I doubt you'd see anyone playing one that is.

Its a invuln save, so they still get a 4++ against your flamers.

and mine is filled to the rim with orky goodness


Be careful with volume of placement. Obviously depends on your opponents, but if you fill that platform with Lootas, I will start asking you to check LOS on each model and then throw frag templates in there to make volume of saves versus quality. People with barrage weapons would be even worse.

Just a friendly tip I had someone cluster up in their skyshield versus mine... the found out what it was like to eat 15 small blast templates and clean it out first turn. When 5 of them are twin linked, it's even more gross.


Wouldnt you still get a 4++ against barrage weapons?


yep

 
   
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I quite often use a Bastion with a unit of devistors init to deadley effect but have never though of useing a sky sheild pad.

Is it still only one fortification per Primary detachment? and at 2000 pts are you still entiled to use two Primary detachments ?

So at 2k points you could take an Agis line and a sky sheild ?

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Skyshields are pretty good, but not godly.

Found that out when i parked two SAG meks up on one, each attached to a grot unit.

Both rolled 1,1 - both rolled high spread. Skyshield went from killer problem to three grots singing kum-by-ah around the burning remnants..

They also either require you to stuff it full to guard against assaults (and become template bait..) or leave it emptier and get assaulted.

a 4+ inv is still only a 4+ save. Enough firepower applied will still scourge the thing clean.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
tedurur wrote:
The Sky shield is really a terrible piece of rules writing. 75pts to give my 9 war walkers a 4++ save? A save that I can fortune?
I wouldnt bring that to anything other than a tourney and I usually dont play the softest list in friendlies...


They are banned at most tournaments, both for size and ridicolously overpowered rules. Landing Pad should be at least 150 points.


This. Because of a few people abusing the Sky Shield now *ALL* fortifications have been banned at our local tournaments... Made all of us Aegis users very, very, very miffed.
   
 
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