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Ok, that actually looks pretty good, and better than the ones I made from Typhoon launchers. I may have to pick up six.

 d-usa wrote:
So I take it the target-sensor is a separate piece?

Since they said as much in the first post...

Each kit is $4.50 available here is cast in pewter and comes with a seperate targeting array.

Nicely confirms that, yes, the missiles are unevenly spaced, and the 3 rows aren't parallel. The arches are also really quite wonky.

I want to like it, because the design is awesome... but it needs to be a neater sculpt.

 d-usa wrote:
So I take it the target-sensor is a separate piece?

Yes it is.. you dont have to mount it as shown, I am sure there are a number of spots and uses for it.

 insaniak wrote:

Nicely confirms that, yes, the missiles are unevenly spaced, and the 3 rows aren't parallel. The arches are also really quite wonky.

I want to like it, because the design is awesome... but it needs to be a neater sculpt.

Maybe I don't see what you're seeing?
I agree that not all 3 rows are parallel. As the center section's taller than the left & right, I don't think I'd want them to be.
Taking just the left and right sides into account, they look to be spaced the same. I can't say it's exactly identical from the pics, but it looks darn close. You just have to keep in mind that one side (in the pic) is lower than the other.

I don't see any problem with the arches, either. Considering the angle of the pic, just because the left & right arches look different, that doesn't mean they are.

Eric

...Why does pad number 2 on the heraldric knights set look like swastika in the center?

Because the swastika is a very basic geometric shape that happens quite a bit if you are doing puzzle shapes?

The reason the original rocket launcher didnt make it to casting is...as already said in this thread *sigh*, that the post office screwed up the package and f....g lost it. Gone, poof, bang, it vanished with no tracing possible.

So...I made a similar one but as I didnt like the width of the original one I tried to fit it on top of a mini instead of both side arches going out over the shoulders, just my preference I guess.
Why it looks awkward I dont know, casting/molding some times bend things a bit or maybe it the paint job, dunno.
Here is a WIP of how the green looked while I was working on it:









As for the pads, well, this is how I paint them myself:



To each their own...personally I use them on my GK minis (although I dotn use that colour scheme).



As for the ammo bands I also use them on my GK minis:






I better take some more pics showing them with the pads on.

Actually, Pyriel, the image of the Termie you posted makes me think there really is a difference in the left and right missile racks. As I'm looking at the image, the missine on the roght bottom looks farther down than the one on the left bottom.

For the record, I'm comparing their respective distances to the center missile above them to be sure, since the angle of the pic, combined with the model's pose, can affect how close it looks to the bottom of the launcher.

Eric

The unpainted ML shots look much better. It seems a solid piece, though I do not personally care for the design.

Yeah I dont care for the design but it is my firm opinion it's an OK piece.

but as with all CHS threads, haters gonna hate. (just like they did with the TS kit, which I received a few days ago and couldnt find any faults with it)

 xcasex wrote:
but as with all CHS threads, haters gonna hate. (just like they did with the TS kit, which I received a few days ago and couldnt find any faults with it)

Yeah... or we could not just dismiss people's opinions as mindless 'hating'... I don't hate Chapterhouse. I don't hate this piece. I do see technical problems with it that would discourage me from buying it. That's not 'hating'... it's explaining why I don't like it.

Let's just try to keep a little perspective, hmm?

 insaniak wrote:

 xcasex wrote:
but as with all CHS threads, haters gonna hate. (just like they did with the TS kit, which I received a few days ago and couldnt find any faults with it)

Yeah... or we could not just dismiss people's opinions as mindless 'hating'... I don't hate Chapterhouse. I don't hate this piece. I do see technical problems with it that would discourage me from buying it. That's not 'hating'... it's explaining why I don't like it.

Let's just try to keep a little perspective, hmm?

To be fair, there ARE those who will say they hate it purely because it's CHS. That may not apply to you, but there are those people here. The same goes for GW, PP, Reaper. There's always naysayers.

Now it's one thing to not like the piece for whatever reason in regards to the piece, and you are completely justified in your opinion.

Actually, Pyriel, the image of the Termie you posted makes me think there really is a difference in the left and right missile racks. As I'm looking at the image, the missine on the roght bottom looks farther down than the one on the left bottom.

You are probable right. Im not a robot and there is bound to be slight errors in symmetry in a piece like this. However, it was so small that it didnt bother me and Im picky like hell when it comes to miniatures

Yeah... or we could not just dismiss people's opinions as mindless 'hating'... I don't hate Chapterhouse. I don't hate this piece. I do see technical problems with it that would discourage me from buying it. That's not 'hating'... it's explaining why I don't like it.

Critique is welcome, even really negative one and you know we try to make alterations based on peoples input...but he has a point. Useless trolls like plastictrees that have nothing to add then a load of hating bulls..i is something I personally find pathetic.

 Aerethan wrote:
To be fair, there ARE those who will say they hate it purely because it's CHS.

And if there had been any evidence of that in this thread, the comment might have been somewhat justified. Instead, someone has seen people being critical of a piece that he personally thinks is fine, and has decided to just put it down to people 'hating' rather than accepting that some people might be seeing something in it that he doesn't.

It would be awesome if we could all just leave people's motives off the table and concentrate on the miniatures. That's what we're here for, after all.

Those Kroxigors and their weapons look like they're from two different cartoons photoshopped poorly together.

The missile launcher looks like it used to be for a model, but has been partially melted.

I like the 'lizard-ogre' sculpts, great artistic work. But seriously, stop lying. They are Kroxigors. If you have to change the name so you don't get sued for copying another companies ideas, then maybe you shouldn't copy other companies' ideas. GW makes kroxigor models, stop trying to steal from them.
Bits and upgrade kits are ok because you still have to have the original model, but copying a full model is crossing the line.

The cyclone missile launcher was a good idea, but it seems something went wrong in the casting or painting. Maybe CHS should fix it before they try to market them.
Also, the price is good compared to buying the gw bits from ebay, but I have seen other CML-alternative bits at much better price $0.77.

 Pyriel- wrote:
As for the ammo bands I also use them on my GK minis:

I am no fan of the "jumbo sized" ammo-clips the plastic GK Marines have on their Storm Bolters, so this ammo belts are quite a good thing for me.

My only concern is that they're unlikely to be very flexible in how far they stretch or bend. This pictures above look great, but how limiting were they when it came to posing the models?

To be clear (and less subtle than Insaniak) - this is a thread to discuss this particular announced set of miniatures & bits. This is NOT a thread to discuss other posters, or their possible motivations for posting what they do. Stick to the topic, please.

You don't have to like the miniatures; all opinions are welcome, if expressed within the constraints of our posting rules.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
My only concern is that they're unlikely to be very flexible in how far they stretch or bend. This pictures above look great, but how limiting were they when it came to posing the models?

...it's resin. keep a small container of hot water on your desk while modeling them on, if they were a little longer, that way you could probably have used them as an impromptu bow-tie

I am no fan of the "jumbo sized" ammo-clips the plastic GK Marines have on their Storm Bolters, so this ammo belts are quite a good thing for me.

My only concern is that they're unlikely to be very flexible in how far they stretch or bend. This pictures above look great, but how limiting were they when it came to posing the models?

They are made in metal because that allows for flexing them.

Currently I have about 20 gk minis in various poses besides the standard out of the box poses with the bands on.
There are several types of bands made so that one can find a piece that fits with pretty much any pose. It takes some bending and clipping of the ends to make the length accurate.
Took me on average 10 minutes per mini to find a proper close fitting band and adjust it by bending and using a clipper to shorten it to enable a fit.

Most trouble I had on a custom positioned mini where I had to file of a portion of the band to make room for a knee, took me some 30 minutes of tinkering before I got it right.

Its a certain convertion and fitting required but imo thats part of why I like this hobby and I think my minis look better for it.

...ah, metal. that'll work, too

Moronic Nonsense wrote:
I like the 'lizard-ogre' sculpts, great artistic work. But seriously, stop lying. They are Kroxigors. If you have to change the name so you don't get sued for copying another companies ideas, then maybe you shouldn't copy other companies' ideas. GW makes kroxigor models, stop trying to steal from them.
Bits and upgrade kits are ok because you still have to have the original model, but copying a full model is crossing the line.

The cyclone missile launcher was a good idea, but it seems something went wrong in the casting or painting. Maybe CHS should fix it before they try to market them.
Also, the price is good compared to buying the gw bits from ebay, but I have seen other CML-alternative bits at much better price $0.77.

The ignorance, it overwhelms.

You think GW creates all of their ideas from scratch? Perhaps their business model, but certainly not their products. GW doesn't own the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons, nor did they create such an idea.

By your standards of theft, anyone who makes a model of anything is stealing. Did GW "steal" the idea for tanks?

Ideas are not IP. Expressions of ideas are. These expressions of the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons is like 0% similar to GWs expression of the same idea.

So let's not drag this into IP debate. No one stole anything here. Either like the models or don't.

I dont have much of a view on the missile launcher bit but I think this thread is a pretty decent example of why making minis isnt easy business, pretty broad range of views from hate to love. One of the things I love about the mini world i

 Aerethan wrote:

Moronic Nonsense wrote:
I like the 'lizard-ogre' sculpts, great artistic work. But seriously, stop lying. They are Kroxigors. If you have to change the name so you don't get sued for copying another companies ideas, then maybe you shouldn't copy other companies' ideas. GW makes kroxigor models, stop trying to steal from them.
Bits and upgrade kits are ok because you still have to have the original model, but copying a full model is crossing the line.

The cyclone missile launcher was a good idea, but it seems something went wrong in the casting or painting. Maybe CHS should fix it before they try to market them.
Also, the price is good compared to buying the gw bits from ebay, but I have seen other CML-alternative bits at much better price $0.77.

The ignorance, it overwhelms.

You think GW creates all of their ideas from scratch? Perhaps their business model, but certainly not their products. GW doesn't own the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons, nor did they create such an idea.

By your standards of theft, anyone who makes a model of anything is stealing. Did GW "steal" the idea for tanks?

Ideas are not IP. Expressions of ideas are. These expressions of the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons is like 0% similar to GWs expression of the same idea.

So let's not drag this into IP debate. No one stole anything here. Either like the models or don't.

I am not as ignorant as you think.
I agree that the idea of a giant lizard on 2 legs with a 2 handed weapon is not an random common idea that can not be stolen. I just have an issue with these, as they were designed, and sculpted as replacement Kroxigors. They have been marketed with the express purpose of replacing GW models.

and as I said before, I do like the models. The sculptor is skilled way beyond me.

Creating a replacement product is not stealing. They are not called Kroxigors because the trademark on that name for miniatures is being used and presumably registered in the relevant market.

I don't see anywhere on CHS's site that markets it as a replacement product. The lines you may draw are your own. CHS has not represented it as such.

Moronic Nonsense wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:

Moronic Nonsense wrote:
I like the 'lizard-ogre' sculpts, great artistic work. But seriously, stop lying. They are Kroxigors. If you have to change the name so you don't get sued for copying another companies ideas, then maybe you shouldn't copy other companies' ideas. GW makes kroxigor models, stop trying to steal from them.
Bits and upgrade kits are ok because you still have to have the original model, but copying a full model is crossing the line.

The cyclone missile launcher was a good idea, but it seems something went wrong in the casting or painting. Maybe CHS should fix it before they try to market them.
Also, the price is good compared to buying the gw bits from ebay, but I have seen other CML-alternative bits at much better price $0.77.

The ignorance, it overwhelms.

You think GW creates all of their ideas from scratch? Perhaps their business model, but certainly not their products. GW doesn't own the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons, nor did they create such an idea.

By your standards of theft, anyone who makes a model of anything is stealing. Did GW "steal" the idea for tanks?

Ideas are not IP. Expressions of ideas are. These expressions of the IDEA of giant lizards on 2 legs with 2handed weapons is like 0% similar to GWs expression of the same idea.

So let's not drag this into IP debate. No one stole anything here. Either like the models or don't.

I am not as ignorant as you think.
I agree that the idea of a giant lizard on 2 legs with a 2 handed weapon is not an random common idea that can not be stolen. I just have an issue with these, as they were designed, and sculpted as replacement Kroxigors. They have been marketed with the express purpose of replacing GW models.

and as I said before, I do like the models. The sculptor is skilled way beyond me.

How do you know they are being marketed as replacements? Is it because of their weapons and how they look similar to the ones GW makes for their rank and file troops? I'm not a fan of these only because I thought they look to much like the very old krox. I would give these and the really old GW ones a 3/10, the second gen krox a 2/10, and the krox they are currently selling a 5/10. I'm just not really a fan of the krox models in general and even less of a fan with their role on the battlefield. I won't buy them from CHS nor GW. I prefer more skink and saurus.

Ah! They're metal. That should make life easier. Thanks Pyriel!

So CHS has not specifically said these were kroxigor replacements on there website, but the sculptor has. I have been following his progress on another forum, and nowhere does he ever call them 'lizard-ogres' they are kroxigors and we all know it.
No knock on the artist, they are good models. But I just don't think anybody should be able to cast and sell their own versions, basically leaching off of the game the GW owns and maintains. If there was a different game that these were meant for, I'd be fine with them.

 Pyriel- wrote:
The reason the original rocket launcher didnt make it to casting is...as already said in this thread *sigh*, that the post office screwed up the package and f....g lost it. Gone, poof, bang, it vanished with no tracing possible.

Not being glib here at all, but perhaps the lesson to take away from this is to get a courier company to deliver items like this that are for casting instead of USPS?

Thanks also for the better pictures of the various products in use. The ammo feeds look quite good. How flexible are they, and how do you stop paint flaking off them once painted?


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Moronic Nonsense wrote:
I like the 'lizard-ogre' sculpts, great artistic work. But seriously, stop lying. They are Kroxigors. If you have to change the name so you don't get sued for copying another companies ideas, then maybe you shouldn't copy other companies' ideas. GW makes kroxigor models, stop trying to steal from them.
Bits and upgrade kits are ok because you still have to have the original model, but copying a full model is crossing the line.

D&D would like a word with you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizardfolk#Typical_physical_characteristics

Also - Tolkien, Moorcock, Heinlein, Gygax, Stallone, The Red Army of WW2, Ancient Rome, Ancient Greece, The various orders of Templar Knights, Renaissance Europe, Christianity Judiasm and their Pantheon of Angels and Demons, The Catholic Church, The Spanish Inquisition, Cruella De Vil, HE Giger, James Cameron, The Norse Gods, Bubblegum Crisis, Imperial Stormtroopers, Nazi Stormtroopers, Ancient Egypt, The Byzantine Empire, The Mesopotamian Empire, The Lamassu, The Terminator franchise....

I could go on all night. Hm?