Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

You don't need to turn it into a personal crusade. If you're expecting a pat on the back I think you need to tone down the self righteousness of your posting.

 Ouze wrote:


The real crime, of course, are those prices.

BAM


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 alarmingrick wrote:
I can confirm the Enforcer, and his little dog too, both have the GW stamp on their Jersey barriers.

Isn't it called a Texas Barrier?

Anyway.



Now, about the original model in question, did anyone take the time to read his blurb? He's just selling it, he didn't make it.

I was going to make a joke about how greek people apparently don't pay taxes, but I couldn't work it in. Someone run with that.

Alfndrate wrote:Since you wish for me to have an "original thought", here you go:

The reason why I seem lazy or apathetic is because it's not our job as the community to be the police when it comes to companies getting shafted. Three Stage Studios is a bit of a different thing because "Matthew Bonder" has scammed people, not corporations, not companies, or large business, but individuals. This entire thread could have been summed up with a single post: "Hey, this guy might be a recaster, just be a warning." And then you, in the quiet of your own life could have emailed eBay and Forgeworld, and just let it be. You see a recaster, a scumbag, a thief. I see a recaster, and a guy living in a country with less stringent copyright laws than the UK or the US. Would I buy from him? Probably not, but then again I don't use eBay very often.

My altruism comment was something that I had heard several years ago in college, where a professor had said that there is no true altruism in the world, because no man does something for the benefit of all with no hope of reward for himself, and this quote here is what triggered that comment:

and give me a little joy in knowing I did the right thing morally and ethically.

Which means that you didn't just do this to help the community, you did it for your own little pat on the back.

But the guy will get shut down temporarily, and he'll be back. Unless he's arrested, there's not much that can be done.

*shrugs* W/e I'm out

I hope that everyone has original thoughts. But your thought is not a completely original (you reference your college professor as the inspiration/originator) or well thought either. Did you miss the part about how people are being scammed by this recaster? Your argument is very flawed in that you assume your points are the only valid ones, while disregarding/reiterating/expanding on my previous points.

It looks like you anchor-pointed yourself in that the only ones I cared about were FW/GW and just myself. You also seem oblivious of the responses of just “posting a possible recaster.” Why did you not do more? What proof do you have? You know the 2nd, 3rd effects that must be taken into consideration when making a post – I tried, but some people refuse to see things as they are. I even fall victim to it myself from time to time.

In my posts I warned people not to use this seller. I never said anything about it is anyone’s job to protect GW or Ebay. I did point out that when people do nothing it just keeps happening the cost does get passed along to the legitimate customers of legitimate products. You do not seem to grasp that part though. I posted that I informed them, because if I did not someone like you would have posted – “You should warn them and let them handle it.” Which is what I did, and then I gave an update.

It took you too long to comprehend what my self-motivation behind this when I stated it clearly when that I filed a claim against him through Ebay. Interest - “He took my money, sold me fake goods, and I’m warning the community about him to avoid him.”

Again, your argument is flawed in that you are projecting your assumption on to me when you assume what my motivation is/was when you state:

Which means that you didn't just do this to help the community, you did it for your own little pat on the back.

My actions are based off of my own personal codes of morals and ethics. I know this comes from my training and personality – “who else needs to know to avoid the danger.” I also know that apathy about small things lead to larger scale apathy/support for things that are bad.

You don’t seem to state your own self-interest in posting here. You obviously get some sort of self-satisfaction out of sharpshooting people and their motivations. “Ah-ha, you are not and altruistic person after all.” Your professor was right about self-interests, but I learned that long before college. Just as I have seen that the community is more accepting of recasts/apathetic than I thought.

RiTides wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I think he's probably a recaster as well, but you know, let Ebay and/or GWS deal with it... Just posting the warning was adequate IMO and even then maybe not since of course you've probably steered some customers to him via the link.

I told Panzer that this was my take, too. People use recasters, Dakka does not support or condone it, but there's not much you can do about it. Posting links to their sales only gives them more business.

I say this as someone who has, obviously, posted links warning people about scams before. But if a person is selling recasts and delivering... there honestly is not very much you can do about it. Once (or if) they start to do something further, like not ship anything to someone who has paid, ebay or the like can step in. But there's not much you can do otherwise.

I personally have a few sellers I am keeping an eye on... but do not post the links on the forum for precisely the reason that Ouze mentioned above (not wanting to steer business their way).

RiTides – yes you did discuss this with me. And as I have stated – I honestly thought the risk/unintended consequences are/were outweighed by the obligation to make others aware. One positive unintended consequence, I have learned that some of the members of Dakka do not share my moral code (not that they have to), but it seems as though some members are completely lacking in morals/ethics or are very naive. This was garnered from the posts and some of those who have purchased from him.

RiTides wrote:[But as to this - But if a person is selling recasts and delivering... there honestly is not very much you can do about it.

Things can be done to negatively impact the recaster/their re-seller. There has to be a way to track/identify the people. I just have not figured out a way to do so without turning it into a personal vendetta/crusade. I made some suggestions to Ebay in response to some questions I received, but I have no updates from them. I feel this is along the lines of the Battletech “replicas” that were so common on Ebay in the early 2000’s. I bought several of those and stopped buying on Ebay for a long time as a result of it.

If someone has a practical solution, other than do nothing about it, I’d love to hear it/trouble shoot it/test it out.

I had hoped the community might help pickup and report the fakes. Possibly the post could lead to some good ways to prevent purchasing fakes, particularly with this recaster. Some people dismiss the incongruities shown so far. Out of mindsets of “Devil’s advocate” or through self-deception “delusion.”

Howard A Treesong wrote:You don't need to turn it into a personal crusade. If you're expecting a pat on the back I think you need to tone down the self righteousness of your posting.

This is not a personal crusade to get one recaster or even all of them. That is impossible. Education/identification may lessen their customer base, although from the numerous apathy/deluded/troll comments it may appear that some of my post is self-righteous to some.

I’m not seeking a pat on the back. I get enough of those from my wife. My work, while sometimes frustrating, all the time changing/challenging, is fulfilling enough. In my time I have fried way bigger fish than a small time criminal. But I also believe that evil prevails when good men do nothing.

alarmingrick wrote:
I can confirm the Enforcer, and his little dog too, both have the GW stamp on their Jersey barriers.

Scipio Africanus:
Isn't it called a Texas Barrier?

Texas Barriers are way bigger than Jerseies.

Links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_barrier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremer_wall


Anyway.

Now, about the original model in question, did anyone take the time to read his blurb? He's just selling it, he didn't make it.

I was going to make a joke about how greek people apparently don't pay taxes, but I couldn't work it in. Someone run with that.


His blurb - yes it was read and then research/links/etc. show he has sold too many items not to be aware of the fake items. Ebay has the information where he told on himself. Did you look beyond the blurb?

Looks like we're more than done now.