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ALCON,

I recently had a bad experience buying some 40K miniatures on Ebay. I do not support re-casters - I do not condone their ilk. Scavenging from others work and IP.

This guy is a scumbag. His user ID is - taotaoulas. He has scrambled and posted more auctions.

I have sent his full information to Forgeworld for action by them if any.

I need to look into posting his real name - no address without breaking any rules/laws.

If he had done a decent job on the recasting - I might not have noticed - but this crap is worse than the very worst item I have ever gotten from FW.

He should be avoided and put out of business.

He currently has 64 items up for sale. If there had been more than one item up I would have known to look further. I reported all as fakes. Hopefully others will too.

Here is a link of an item - that is definitely a fake. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Games-Day-2012-Space-Marine-Blood-Angel-/171015571659?pt=Games_US&hash=item27d15288cb

Now, while his blurb is slightly suspicious, I'm not seeing any particular indication in the photos that his stuff is recast, most of my FW stuff has similar levels of flashing and I only ever order it direct from them.

Do you have pictures that you've taken yourself of the parts you ordered which indicate they aren't genuine?

Well, the void dragon hes selling is one piece. One solid piece. Not kidding: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-VOID-DRAGON-PHOENIX-/171015571684?pt=Games_US&hash=item27d15288e4

Also, Tyberos should have the FW trademark, not the GW one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-TYBEROS-THE-RED-WAKE-/171015571676?pt=Games_US&hash=item27d15288dc

Lucarikx

Why would a recaster change the company name on the tab? Far more likely that the whole thing is recast with no changes (hence REcast) and that tab is exactly how it should be.

I think the Eldar flier is epic scale, and generally agree with Yodhrin that the pics look fine, but the description rings alarm bells.

The problem with Finecast, is that it's often so ropey that you can't tell if it's a recast or not. The Gamesday example above, well I don't see what makes that a recast.

Also I think I've have FW stuff with 'gamesworkshop' on the tabs, not 'forgeworld', so that's not conclusive either.

Stuff looks good to me! Seems i have a new source.

 fire4effekt wrote:
Stuff looks good to me! Seems i have a new source.

It's clearly gonna end badly for you if you go this route, it looks like rubbish.......and it will e worse when it turns up on your door.

Do yourself a favour and just buy from forgeworld directly.......this guy should e shut down

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Also I think I've have FW stuff with 'gamesworkshop' on the tabs, not 'forgeworld', so that's not conclusive either.

I'm at work right now so I can't check, but I think I agree with you. I'm fairly sure I've also gotten FW models that are stamped GWS.

I'm guess the Void Dragon uh, doesn't normally come all in one piece?

On the other hand, look at how it's stamped on some of them.

It's like he's trying a little too hard. I've never seen the stamp on there diagonally like it is on the right gate. Plus it looks like the gates were glued onto something else before molding, look at the left one. I think he probably cut the GWS imprint off a brass etch and used that. Also I think I can see a double mold line on the right gate.

The real crime, of course, are those prices.

I think the 20 day handeling is a big heads up too :/

Mod mode on:

Thanks for the alerts on this thread, also for the warnings and opinions given in the thread.

It isn't our site's role to investigate sellers on eBay, so I won't take an official action about it.

In my personal opinion, I think these probably are recasts however without convincing evidence I couldn't say for sure.

Therefore I would simply advise users to be careful and make up their own minds.

I don't think FW made the Void Dragon for Epic/Aeronautica. Regardless, I'm not impressed with his stuff.

I'm a re-seller and NOT familiar with the game this item concern, so I cannot help you if this is an authentic or not. I try to take good pictures as possible, so look closely to the picture because what you see is what you will get.

It comes without any base(s) or original packing.

Caveat Emptor

I just checked my pile of FW resin gates. I started saving them ever since Kanluwen mentioned they're great for making jersey barriers and tank traps*.

The GWS stamping is pretty common as it turns out - about a quarter of the gates have them. The only model I know for sure that I can tie to a GWS stamped gate is the Boarding Marine; because it's still attached, and probably the Imperial landmine pack (since of the the gates were in the baggie it came in). The others, not sure, probably Chaos Renegade conversion kits; those were a pretty recent purchase.

That being said, I didn't find a single one with that diagonal stamp. I'd be curious if anyone can find a gate, presuming they save them, that came from Nottingham with such a stamp.

I still think these are recasts.

*He was right, they do.

The description is the same on all of them, claiming "The item was bought on the Internet". The resin is also much more see through than the stuff FW uses.

 progreen10 wrote:
The description is the same on all of them, claiming "The item was bought on the Internet". The resin is also much more see through than the stuff FW uses.

Could be bog standard PE resin with a grey pigment added.

Looks far too clear to start with.
Also, since when was the GW tag on a slant?
They are allways straight (well, they are on everything ive got)

Also, the quality of those is pure crap, i think it even goes past finecast standards.

Funny to see the eldar flyer in 1 part aswell lol.

Just seems odd to me that he claims to know nothing about the models he is making plenty of money from.
The long shipping times and the really sketchy bio.

The biggest red flags to me are the Void Dragon and also the Hell Blade...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-Hell-Blade-Chaos-Fighter-/310641330858?pt=Games_US&hash=item4853aa8aaa

Both of those have to be recasts because they didn't come with resin canopy glass and they aren't 6mm scale.

I thought the strike fighter looked legit... then I noticed a grey resin flight stand -_-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-AVENGER-STRIKE-FIGHTER-/310641330853?pt=Games_US&hash=item4853aa8aa5

Guys I can't take pictures and upload them from my house.

I have forwarded pictures to FW and I scanned them in at work and you can tell - huge chunks missing from the underside of the arms and bodies.

FW's QC slips sometimes - but if these are FW - they hired the lighthouse of the blind (no insult is intended towards these guys - they have jobs and a re trying to make a go of life) and or Homer Simpson to the inspection line.

FW has responded they will look into the matter.

I filed fake claims on these auctions and left negative. Funny thing is he has offered to buy them back - violating his own policy - along with a note not to threaten him. He is not familiar with the items, buts has dozens of recent sales.

The quality is so bad - he should be paying people to get these.

I'll post the pics as soon as I can find the cable for my camera to transfer them.

Nice tank traps, Ouze . Good use of what is otherwise waste.

Ouze is correct. It seems that one in every twenty resin gates I own has the "Games Workshop" logo on them.
The event models I own (Arbites Enforcer and Hound, Boarding Marine) both had them on a slant as well.

I know for a fact these are legitimate models and not recasts(D-Usa picked up the Arbites Enforcer+Hound for me from Adepticon of last year and the Boarding Marine was from Forge World directly, placed as a birthday present in a bits order I made for Deathwing shoulderpads), so I think that is pretty definitive.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Ouze is correct. It seems that one in every twenty resin gates I own has the "Games Workshop" logo on them.
The event models I own (Arbites Enforcer and Hound, Boarding Marine) both had them on a slant as well.

I know for a fact these are legitimate models and not recasts(D-Usa picked up the Arbites Enforcer+Hound for me from Adepticon of last year and the Boarding Marine was from Forge World directly, placed as a birthday present in a bits order I made for Deathwing shoulderpads), so I think that is pretty definitive.

Did you look at the Hell Blade and the Void Dragon? There's no way those are legitimate models unless Forge World made some 1 piece models with solid resin canopies. The Void Dragon also looks like a terrible cast, some of the lines and smeared as you would expect with a poor recast.

 progreen10 wrote:
I thought the strike fighter looked legit... then I noticed a grey resin flight stand -_-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-AVENGER-STRIKE-FIGHTER-/310641330853?pt=Games_US&hash=item4853aa8aa5

Some of the models do look rather legit. I've seen GW and FW models just as bad as some of those, but then a couple of them are dead giveaways, like the Void Dragon, Hell Blade and now that you mention it, the resin flight stand with the Avenger. Also the fact the resin for many of the models doesn't look like the same resin FW uses.

 RiTides wrote:
Nice tank traps, Ouze . Good use of what is otherwise waste.

Can't imagine why FW leaves the gates on the models. Absolutely dumb... Might use less labor, but it makes it a LOT easier for a recaster to copy a piece.

Tim

 PanzerTC wrote:

FW's QC slips sometimes - but if these are FW - they hired the lighthouse of the blind (no insult is intended towards these guys - they have jobs and a re trying to make a go of life) and or Homer Simpson to the inspection line.

So what you are saying is that you are not 100% sure that these are fakes?

Why even bother? This is GW's job and they seem like they are a little too good at IP enforcement.

So what you are really doing is:
#1. Accusing someone of re-casting who might not be.
#2. Giving free advertisement to this guy so people will see these items and buy them.

 Blackmoor wrote:

 PanzerTC wrote:

FW's QC slips sometimes - but if these are FW - they hired the lighthouse of the blind (no insult is intended towards these guys - they have jobs and a re trying to make a go of life) and or Homer Simpson to the inspection line.

So what you are saying is that you are not 100% sure that these are fakes?

Why even bother? This is GW's job and they seem like they are a little too good at IP enforcement.

So what you are really doing is:
#1. Accusing someone of re-casting who might not be.
#2. Giving free advertisement to this guy so people will see these items and buy them.

Can you honestly look at the Void Dragon and Hell Blade and tell me those aren't recasts?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-Hell-Blade-Chaos-Fighter-/310641330858?pt=Games_US&hash=item4853aa8aaa

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Forgeworld-VOID-DRAGON-PHOENIX-/171015571684?pt=Games_US&hash=item27d15288e4

Some of the others may not be, but those two definitely are dodgy in one way or another.

Of course it's GW's job to go after recasters, but I see no problem with pointing out that a recaster is a recaster to inform buyers that buying from them is legally sketchy and they may not get the product they expect.

Actually... No, no I can't tell if those are recasts...



The clearest part to me that shouted, "recast" was the resin canopy... Why would I want a guy sitting in there if it could just be covered up? But wait! The FW model gives you that option.

My mistake, I never saw the pictures of the FW models with solid resin canopies. In that case, rather than recasts, they could simply be extremely poor quality casts.

Here's a Void Dragon, you can see the lines are sharp and clear compared to the ebay one which has soft and smeared lines...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cX2vH_6Soa8/UAmpJXtCq2I/AAAAAAAABy8/-PS2Brj2xo8/s1600/20120719_133659.jpg

So maybe the Void Dragon is authentic and is just an EXTREMELY bad cast.

I'm not saying they are or they aren't recasts, I'm simply stating that I don't have enough knowledge to tell if they're recasts simply because I don't know enough about the cast itself (I had to look up that image that I linked) to be able to tell...

The one item he has with the resin cast stand makes me think yes, he might be recasting, the Chaos fighter makes me think he's not (because the offical FW model also comes with resin canopy glass), but again the void dragon makes me think he recasts because the official FW version doesn't come with that type of canopy (it doesn't have anything if I'm looking at this properly.

BUT we're not the ones to police people... That's GW's job...

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm not saying they are or they aren't recasts, I'm simply stating that I don't have enough knowledge to tell if they're recasts simply because I don't know enough about the cast itself (I had to look up that image that I linked) to be able to tell...

The one item he has with the resin cast stand makes me think yes, he might be recasting, the Chaos fighter makes me think he's not (because the offical FW model also comes with resin canopy glass), but again the void dragon makes me think he recasts because the official FW version doesn't come with that type of canopy (it doesn't have anything if I'm looking at this properly.

BUT we're not the ones to police people... That's GW's job...

While I agree wholeheartedly that we aren't the police, I also don't think there's anything wrong with saying "Hey, watch out, there's a cliff over there." either.

I agree, but the open not only said, "hey there is a cliff over there." He also called the local department of transportation to let them know drivers might be falling off the cliff.

It's a good thing.he did inform us about this bit.its not our job to call forge world... but different strokes and what not.