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 Frazzled wrote:
Superman. Outside of Kryptonite, can that cat even die?

See Comic book named "Death of Superman"

 chapgrimaldus wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Superman. Outside of Kryptonite, can that cat even die?

See Comic book named "Death of Superman"

He didn't actually die you know.

On earth, normal day: Thor would smoke Supes, if only because of his unlimited use of magic. One huge blast of lightning, conducted through Mjolnir, would incapacitate Superman with or without the yellow sun. He'd get back up faster with the yellow, but all it would take is another blast to take him back down.

No yellow sun: Thor hands down, even without lightning.

No Mjolnir (barring the "60 seconds to Blake" thing), yellow sun: Supes has it. He'd be too fast for Thor to keep up with.

No Mjolnir, no yellow sun: That would be one heck of a fight, but I still think Thor would take it.

Really, it all depends on the writer and the story they're telling, like scanners and midi-chlorians all things are abstract ideas used to entertain and communicate.

But if you want to imperialise the characters:
Actually, I am of no help whatsoever here, but I would pick Chris Hemsworth over Henry Cavill any day of the week.

So Thor.

 Ouze wrote:
Superman was able to beat the Hulk pretty easily during the DC/Marvel crossover.

Although Thor has defeated the Hulk before, generally speaking when they have fought the Hulk wins.

As such, I feel Superman would defeat Thor, generally speaking.

Of course, Thor has handedly beaten the Hulk without his hammer and also proven more than both the Hulk and the Submariner can handle.

Thor would kick the crap out of Superman. One of Superman's weaknesses is magic, and Thor's hammer is completely magical. One hit or one lightning bolt would at least wind Superman, and after a whole fight, Superman would be down for the count for sure.

It's a problem with "Is there Kryptonite or not". I'm sure Lex Luthor would get involved to ensure there was, as he zapped Superman with a "red Sun beam" to depower him so Spider-Man could fight him. But then again, if Loki knew Thor was going to be fighting Superman one-on-one, he'd get involved to curse him.......blah blah blah

So I have to go off of concept to determine the winner since the story could easily be written for either to win:

Superman is one of the WORST concept characters ever created. He is a casual favortie more then a fan-favorite (traditionally. Haven't read too many comics recently, but have picked up a few newer books). The whole Phonebooth and glasses thing were rediculous. Thank god for Spider-man conpletely setting a new standard for storylines and how to handle juggling a secret identity with your real-life(this could be applied to virtually all comic charaters, including marvel characters, pre-spiderman). But he also yields the most recognizable symbol on the planet. Outside of one's own country, do you think the average person would recognize your country's flag or the superman symbol? Luckily people have already done the pollings and the answer is the Superman Symbol. Gotta give DC Comics props for pulling that off. The fact that he has so much power but holds so much restraint IS a continual testament that not every being is corrupted by power and is a concept we should all strive to achieve.

Thor is a completely unoriginal character directly stolen from Scandinavian Folklore. But that's also what makes the whole Norse mythology tie-in to Marvel comix awesome. Thor is a God that does have character flaws and has far more variable story-lines he's been apart of. He has a warrior's pride and ethos that keep him grounded from pummeling anyone he wants when they get his order wrong at a resturaunt, but gets him into trouble constantly as well as his arrogance really is beyond that of the worst of atheletes.

I have to give it to Thor to be written to win the fight. His undaunting Warrior Spirit should be written to overcome that of an opponent who isn't always the most resourceful, or intelligent when using his own powers (partly since they are nearly limitless in too many aspects). But before one could possibly finish off the other, their both smart enough to realize that they are essentially the same thing: Outsiders with phenominal powers who have taken it upon themselves to protect the planet from anyone who would mean to do it, or it's inhabitants, harm.



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I'd also like to add that Superman beating Hulk should NOT be counted as evidence in any manner.

That was a fan vote, and thus a self-fulfilling proficy. As we all know, voters will often vote for who they like more, not always who is more likely to win the fight, and since it was not a controlled vote (gathering 101 people who would vote in an educated manner) and if you look at the last two presidents of the United States, the average Joe's opinion shouldn't count for sh**

Neither would win, only I would win. As I sit there watching, with drink in hand. Pure win

Clearly it's... AQUAMAN the best super hero ever! He can talk to fish and talk to fish and... oh yeah talk to fish! Sure superman can fly and thor can teleport, but aquamanhas got Southwest! So in the end it's clearly aquaman.

Just kidding all that above is bs and don't believe a word of it. In reality it would be thor kicking superman around with mjolnir.

 epicwalrus wrote:
Clearly it's... AQUAMAN the best super hero ever! He can talk to fish and talk to fish and... oh yeah talk to fish! Sure superman can fly and thor can teleport, but aquamanhas got Southwest! So in the end it's clearly aquaman.

Just kidding all that above is bs and don't believe a word of it. In reality it would be thor kicking superman around with mjolnir.

PS, Aquaman has been getting badass lately: Flashpoint, Injustice and there was one other thing I forgot...hmmm. Point is, he's not such a pansy anymore. I've heard he's making waves in The New 52.

I think Captain Marvel and Black Adam are scarier for superman than Thor when it comes to lightning magic.

 Vincentz0r wrote:
I think Captain Marvel and Black Adam are scarier for superman than Thor when it comes to lightning magic.

Well they definitely have him beat when it comes down to theatricality, nothing makes you gak your pants more from a thunder-clap than when either shout "SHAZAM!" at the top of their lungs and they're holding you up by the neck in the sky.

This actually happened in Marvel vs JLA.

Not going to say what exactly happened, but Supes ended up with Mjolnir and Cap's shield.

Thor no question . Super man can't stand up to magic .and is powerless against it hence why black Adam is such a terrible pain in his butt... Thor has a magic hammer ..ie Thor wins

Although Superman is weak to magic, Thor is not exactly skilled in the arts of sorcery.

Hollywood would win or possibly the IP lawyers.

I believe that Superman wins, so long as there is a yellow sun. Thor only really has power cause of a hammer, which he can lose grip on. Now, if both lost their powers:i.e. Thor has no Hammer and Superman no yellow sun. Well... that would be a different matter entirely.

Supes. If no access to yellow sun though... maybe Thor, supes would still have the charge left over from the sun
Look at Death Battle: Goku vs Superman. I don't think Thor would understand the hurling him onto the sun would only make him stronger.
Also remember: Super Man is Super Fast. Thor is not. Thor's lighting is still just lighting. There's a difference between a Magic Weapon and a Magic spell.

Thor is a god. Enough said..

And superman is a bit too ''American'' for me.

Provided he has access to a yellow sun - Superman. Without kryptonite Thor has nothing on him. The JLA/Marvel comics showed us Superman can block (if not pick up) Mjonir. And whilst Thor's got lightning it won't do any lasting damage.
As for the arguments of Thor's a god and Superman's just an alien, it's kind of irrelevant if the alien's more powerful than the god...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here...

As for this, the fight pretty much got it, except that Superman's suit is made of kryptonite so it would get all shredded.
So yeah, hands down Superman


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Also on the magic arguments - it's his mind that's weak to magic (ie. hypnosis and and all that), the fact that Mjonir is magic is irrelevant. On that note Professor X might have a chance...

Thor has many other gods to help him for one. (Unless your of the newest generation where Superman has tons and tons of lil friends) that makes Superman about equal or less to a actually in REAL LIFE worshiped god. So add Thor to his other IN REAL LIFE worshiped gods and their stories. Then you can count Super Man ass a tight wearing alien pansy. For instance his eyes and nearly indestructible form would pale against the Gods eyes and their TRULY immortal forms. According to people that worshiped them

If you are going on comic books, then Super Man, because everything in his story is fictional and the only who actually believe in him, make the cast of Big Bang Theory look like your average dude from brooklyn. then well yea, Superman is the big winner....Even saying that in sarcasm makes me sad.

PoisonWood wrote:
Thor has many other gods to help him for one. (Unless your of the newest generation where Superman has tons and tons of lil friends) that makes Superman about equal or less to a actually in REAL LIFE worshiped god. So add Thor to his other IN REAL LIFE worshiped gods and their stories. Then you can count Super Man ass a tight wearing alien pansy. For instance his eyes and nearly indestructible form would pale against the Gods eyes and their TRULY immortal forms. According to people that worshiped them

If you are going on comic books, then Super Man, because everything in his story is fictional and the only who actually believe in him, make the cast of Big Bang Theory look like your average dude from brooklyn. then well yea, Superman is the big winner....Even saying that in sarcasm makes me sad.

For 1) it's Superman vs Thor, not Superman vs Asgard and 2) we are going by the comics, it's the Marvel Thor not the actual Thod from Norse mythology...

I've never read any superhero comic, but Thor wins because he is a Viking.
Also, he has wings on his helmet. That is an auto-win.

Depends primarily on where they fight. Superman has a lot of home-turf advantages, and the forces of mystical whatnots that empower Thor are less friendly in Supes' backyard.

In neutral ground? Batman.

But Thor.

As Thor is the god of the thunder he will just summon his thunderclouds, thereby terminating the yellow sun shining upon Superman.

I think we all know what will happen then...

Superman is probably worthy enough to wield Moljnir like Beta Ray Bill.

Thor throws it he catches, Supes wins because he has both sets of powers.

Thor wins for the simple fact that Superman is not willing to do what it takes to win.

 Aix'Nyre wrote:
Thor wins for the simple fact that Superman is not willing to do what it takes to win.

I think that just ended the conversation...

 Aix'Nyre wrote:
Thor wins for the simple fact that Superman is not willing to do what it takes to win.

Depends on the writer.

For example, Superman in Whatever Happened to Truth, Justice, and the American Way is a billion times more clever and ruthless than Thor ever was, while still upholding his own moral standards.

Biff Thundersaur would fry both of them with his guns pew pew