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Orks. They just look decidedly boring. There doesn't seem to be any dynamism in the models.

~Vryce

Storm troopers. Not the Kasrkin models.

Tyranids.

This might just be me wanting them to be the zerg, but their troops just look way too humanoid.

They're meant to be this super adaptive bug/virus species, but they still need to hold guns. What's the deal with that? Seriously, if GW were to meld those guns into the Tyranid models, they would be perfect.

Special mention to Spess Mehreen tanks.

... have you seen Tyranid models past 2nd edition?

There's only two weapons that are held - the lashwhip and bone sword. Everything else is melded to the Tyranid. Fleshborers and Devourers are borderline - if you look closely, the hands are melded in, but are positioned in a way to make them look held (and the hands 'holding' the barrel area actually hand visible fingers melded through the gun itself, people just don't paint them like that probably because it's an easily missed detail). The reason they also look most distinctly different to the Tyranid is most studio schemes have the gun as a completely different colour to the Tyranids. if you do them the same colour, you can't see where the Tyranid ends and the gun begins.

They actually talked about this with the 3rd edition redesign of Tyranids. They made weapons melded to the Tyranid, but still identifiable as a type of gun or melee weapon simply for gameplay. An opponent looking at an army should be able to see if they're armed with ranged or close combat weapons, and what type of ranged or close combat weapon.

If they went Zerg style, that ease of identification is gone, and opens up to easily cheating by simply stating they have something else.

 Troike wrote:

Daniel_Holmes wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I want a SoB army so bad but to me the SoB should be beautiful, graceful, etc, and the current (if you can even use 'current' and SoB in the same sentence) models are just... hideous.

I look forward to the day they redo the SoB... if ever.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters. Their normal troops look fugly.

Nah. Sisters aren't supposed to be pretty. They're dedicated soldiers who see a lot of combat, it makes sense for them to not be attractive.

Anyway, my vote goes to the Nurgle Daemons. But in a good way. Their models do a great job of representing what a plague god's forces would look like.

Plaguebearers creep me out.

I agree with you about the sisters but I am sure a lot of the male fans fantasize about the sisters so need them to be "pretty"

I think they should be harsh looking because of their fanaticism and scarred up from their wars

-Loki- wrote:if you look closely, the hands are melded in, but are positioned in a way to make them look held (and the hands 'holding' the barrel area actually hand visible fingers melded through the gun itself, people just don't paint them like that probably because it's an easily missed detail).

Can you show us a picture of this? Everything I can find on the internet is either a picture of the right side of the gaunt, or it has the "fingers" painted as such.

I going to take a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing those who say Orks have never assembled Orks. Especially after seeing:

 Vryce wrote:
Orks. They just look decidedly boring. There doesn't seem to be any dynamism in the models.

 Wilytank wrote:
I going to take a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing those who say Orks have never assembled Orks. Especially after seeing:

 Vryce wrote:
Orks. They just look decidedly boring. There doesn't seem to be any dynamism in the models.

Agreed. Orks have TONS of bits. I find it hard to believe that you can think that and not think that marines are boring, especially since they all look the same (except for GK) and re just painted differently

Or people just find the junkyard look boring, because people have different opinions?

JWhex wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Daniel_Holmes wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I want a SoB army so bad but to me the SoB should be beautiful, graceful, etc, and the current (if you can even use 'current' and SoB in the same sentence) models are just... hideous.

I look forward to the day they redo the SoB... if ever.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters. Their normal troops look fugly.

Nah. Sisters aren't supposed to be pretty. They're dedicated soldiers who see a lot of combat, it makes sense for them to not be attractive.

Anyway, my vote goes to the Nurgle Daemons. But in a good way. Their models do a great job of representing what a plague god's forces would look like.

Plaguebearers creep me out.

I agree with you about the sisters but I am sure a lot of the male fans fantasize about the sisters so need them to be "pretty"

I think they should be harsh looking because of their fanaticism and scarred up from their wars

Gritty and battle-hardened is fine. The problem is (at least for me) that the porportions are all wacky. They look like really poorly animated cartoon characters.

Definitely Tau. They're a anime fan's wet dream

Dragonzord wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:
On the whole Ork thing though, if people hate Ork Boyz, why not run a ton of Gretchin instead?

...really? You expect people to run around with a ton of T2?

well, considering you can have 180 of them for about 700 points, if you have the patience for painting it, sure

And at the end of the day, one thing remains the same. I'm not stupid enough to hate boyz THAT much.

I don't like the looks of a lot of the daemons units, but dark eldar are worse looking in my opinion.

 -Loki- wrote:
Or people just find the junkyard look boring,

Screw that noise! Twisted Metal in space FTW!

 Wilytank wrote:
I going to take a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing those who say Orks have never assembled Orks. Especially after seeing:

 Vryce wrote:
Orks. They just look decidedly boring. There doesn't seem to be any dynamism in the models.

I can see that people may not like the junkyard look and the shambled together image of the orks, but saying they lack dynamism, I'm not sure. They definitely have a lot of options and a lot of details on the models.

But on a separate note concerning eldar. I like a lot of the eldar models, but the idea that each unit has its own color scheme, but all have a united color somewhere on the armor makes them look like a hot mess. I love to see eldar armies all painted in the same color. It goes against their fluff but it looks sooo much better. At least IMO

JWhex wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Daniel_Holmes wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I want a SoB army so bad but to me the SoB should be beautiful, graceful, etc, and the current (if you can even use 'current' and SoB in the same sentence) models are just... hideous.

I look forward to the day they redo the SoB... if ever.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters. Their normal troops look fugly.

Nah. Sisters aren't supposed to be pretty. They're dedicated soldiers who see a lot of combat, it makes sense for them to not be attractive.

Anyway, my vote goes to the Nurgle Daemons. But in a good way. Their models do a great job of representing what a plague god's forces would look like.

Plaguebearers creep me out.

I agree with you about the sisters but I am sure a lot of the male fans fantasize about the sisters so need them to be "pretty"

I think they should be harsh looking because of their fanaticism and scarred up from their wars

I wasn't sure if I should bring that point up since it might not go down well, but since you've said it anyway yeah I agree that they do get that sort of thing sometimes purely because they're a mostly female army, which is a shame.

I really hope that GW will keep them "harsh and scarred" if they decide on a redesign.

 asimo77 wrote:


Gritty and battle-hardened is fine. The problem is (at least for me) that the porportions are all wacky. They look like really poorly animated cartoon characters.

Could you be more specific? What 're you seeing on them that makes them look cartoony? Not seeing it myself.

The colour schemes look terrible on some of the codex chapters I've seen, not too keen on Tyranids though either, too hard to find a colour scheme that looks organic and appealing at the same time.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
Tyranids.

This might just be me wanting them to be the zerg, but their troops just look way too humanoid.

They're meant to be this super adaptive bug/virus species, but they still need to hold guns. What's the deal with that? Seriously, if GW were to meld those guns into the Tyranid models, they would be perfect.

Special mention to Spess Mehreen tanks.

This.
Why are they holding guns? They aren't even guns!

I think my least favorite models are the Space Marine flyers from GW (I actually like the FW Storm Eagle and Thunderhawk much better).

 Troike wrote:

JWhex wrote:

 Troike wrote:

Daniel_Holmes wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I want a SoB army so bad but to me the SoB should be beautiful, graceful, etc, and the current (if you can even use 'current' and SoB in the same sentence) models are just... hideous.

I look forward to the day they redo the SoB... if ever.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Sisters. Their normal troops look fugly.

Nah. Sisters aren't supposed to be pretty. They're dedicated soldiers who see a lot of combat, it makes sense for them to not be attractive.

Anyway, my vote goes to the Nurgle Daemons. But in a good way. Their models do a great job of representing what a plague god's forces would look like.

Plaguebearers creep me out.

I agree with you about the sisters but I am sure a lot of the male fans fantasize about the sisters so need them to be "pretty"

I think they should be harsh looking because of their fanaticism and scarred up from their wars

I wasn't sure if I should bring that point up since it might not go down well, but since you've said it anyway yeah I agree that they do get that sort of thing sometimes purely because they're a mostly female army, which is a shame.

I really hope that GW will keep them "harsh and scarred" if they decide on a redesign.

 asimo77 wrote:


Gritty and battle-hardened is fine. The problem is (at least for me) that the porportions are all wacky. They look like really poorly animated cartoon characters.

Could you be more specific? What 're you seeing on them that makes them look cartoony? Not seeing it myself.

Hmm, this may be hard for me to articulate but they all look kind of "stubby". Often the arms and legs look wider than they should be long, also they seem to have large hands, big heads, and short torsos. All this isn't in the sense that they are "not pretty" enough, but it's more that it looks plain unrealistic. The faces don't have to pretty but they went too far in the other direction, you can have a female proportioned head/face but still look grizzled and scarred, for example the noses seem oddly long and the chins and jaws a little too wide.

Also it could be the way they are painted on the GW website. They seem to like to highlight cheekbones which just gives everyone a far too harsh look, but at the the same time they have this bright red lipstick which is just silly. Also I should say after rexamining the line, it's not nearly as bad as I remembered. Hmm, I feel like I'm not explaining my dislike very well you might just have to entertain my intuition I'm afraid. Fwiw I'm ok with the Dark Eldar Wyches and other female models they have (and as aside I'm really surprised some people have picked them as the worst range!). The proportions and scale look more realistic and feminine (not necessarily pretty) and at the same time they look like tough gladiators. I would compare Wyches and SOB to maybe get a better idea of what I think Sisters should look like.

Most boring range: Space Marines. You have your pick of Space Marines with small guns, big guns or chainswords. Pick a color and spray.

Most ugly: Daemons. 3rd and 3.5 Daemons were awesome. The Horrrors were fantastic, the Daemonettes were sexy and the Bloodletters had AXES!!!!!

The current models are terrible. They look like Pokemon. The Plaguebearers are the only exception. Though they look terrible they seem to fit the description better.

The new Daemonettes are garbage. I just can't fathom why anyone would prefer them to the older ones. I really can't. I suppose you could say that they represent Slaaneshs "excess" of sculpting.

For those of you who think Orks are boring.... you've never painted them or are constantly playing against someone who can't paint well. The Orks have more detail and character than any other range.

The new Chaos stuff is a joke. The new Necrons are fine... lacking in something but fine. The Dark Eldar are wonderful.

Anyone making jokes about spikes hasn't built a DE army (they're not all that spikey and most are optional).

The Grey Knights are just... terrible. But I just hate GK in general. Eldar have some good models but are becoming dated. I'm not looking forward to the new release. The new Waithtide is... .

Tyranids are a mixed bag. Some things look cool others look awful. Flying Tyrant is so awesome.

Chaos Marines are also a mixed bag. I really feel they need to go back and fix them up. It would have been so much better if they had made new basic kits instead of Zoids and hellturkeys.

Guard are fine but lack anything that really makes me want to collect them. Same goes for Sisters (I don't understand the dislike. They look fine to me).

All blood angels armys.

Daniel_Holmes wrote:
Sisters of Battle. I want a SoB army so bad but to me the SoB should be beautiful, graceful, etc, and the current (if you can even use 'current' and SoB in the same sentence) models are just... hideous.

I look forward to the day they redo the SoB... if ever.

Beautiful? Graceful? I disagree they should look like soldiers not super models.

 -Loki- wrote:
Or people just find the junkyard look boring, because people have different opinions?

Thats not what I was referring to. I dont care if you think they are boring or not, im just refuting that they dont have any "dynamism", especially compared to other armies.

 Ailaros wrote:

-Loki- wrote:if you look closely, the hands are melded in, but are positioned in a way to make them look held (and the hands 'holding' the barrel area actually hand visible fingers melded through the gun itself, people just don't paint them like that probably because it's an easily missed detail).

Can you show us a picture of this? Everything I can find on the internet is either a picture of the right side of the gaunt, or it has the "fingers" painted as such.

The right side is where you see it.



See the 3 ridges at the bottom of the gun, the two at the top and the single red one near the front, behind the striation (not the eye at the back)? Those are the Termagants fingers. The single red one is the 'thumb'. The trigger hand itself is grown into the gun. It's just given the illusion of being a held gun for ease of recognition.

It's easy to miss - I only just realized it now, and I'm in the process of going back and fixing my Termagants.

JWhex wrote:
The problem with the Diaz demonette models is that GW has always represented the hermaphroditic nature of the demonettes with one male and one female breast, with occasional multiples on one side or the other. His models failed at the conception stage to represent slaanesh despite their appeal to young boys because they have tits on both sides.

The Seeker steeds have a line of boobs down their bellies. ^^

I noticed while I was painting my first Seeker...

Edit: Typo.

Demons. I just don't really care for any of the units. Especially that wannabe defiler thing.

Werewalrus wrote:
Orks. More specifically, the regular Ork Boyz. The Gorilla butt poses have to go.

Orks are fantastic, but I admit their troop poses suck hard. If your local Orks look bad, they're doing Orks wrong.

Or I simply dislike the Orks in general and that includes their looks.

Given your sig I'm not sure I care what you think of Ork asthetics...

 -Loki- wrote:

I really get excited thinking about doing an Ork army, then I remember the Ork Boyz kit and immediately scrap the idea.

Bro, Grot rebels then. Or Nob-only bad boys lists. Or Dread Mob ~ none of these have much in the way of fugly boys poses.