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I have a follow up question on Nightspear. his ability to allow outflankers deep strike next to him. Does this only work on rangers or can my War Walkers use this ability as well? If so this could be very useful.

jbunny wrote:
I have a follow up question on Nightspear. his ability to allow outflankers deep strike next to him. Does this only work on rangers or can my War Walkers use this ability as well? If so this could be very useful.

Specifically states Rangers and Pathfinders only.

Thanks, My book is at my house.

Ok, so I have a scenario regarding Illic and Infiltrate shennanigans:

I plan on bringing an Imperial Bastion (but I think any of the buildings would work as well). If Illic is within the building, and a squad of Rangers/Pathfinders come in (Via Deepstrike) would that squad be able to deploy anywhere within 6" of the building?

Even more interesting, wouldn't that give Illic a way to survive being in enemy territory? Being in a high armored building, able to fire a heavy bolter if he so chooses instead of his rifle, and now having an 18" x 18" area to deploy rangers and pathfinders from?

As stated in the Deployment rules, you may not Infiltrate or Scout into an enemy building. However, neutral buildings....

OK, so let me restate what I was thinking: If you as a player pay for an Imperial Bastion, or Fortress of Redemption, it could be assumed that you could place Illic within the building. Yes, after looking at the deployment rules, the building itself must be 12" from your opponent. If he is within the building, as if he was within a dedicated transport, would it also be assumed that he technically wouldn't be on the table.

With that information, if you used Illic's special rule to deep strike in Rangers or Pathfinders, would you have nominate one specific location as being where he is located, or would the entire building count as where he is located? Thus, if two squads came in on the same turn, could they come in on opposite sides of the building?

Thanks,

Treated as a transport vehicle, so it would be within 6" of the "hull" of the "vehicle"

Insacrum wrote:
OK, so let me restate what I was thinking: If you as a player pay for an Imperial Bastion, or Fortress of Redemption, it could be assumed that you could place Illic within the building. Yes, after looking at the deployment rules, the building itself must be 12" from your opponent. If he is within the building, as if he was within a dedicated transport, would it also be assumed that he technically wouldn't be on the table.

With that information, if you used Illic's special rule to deep strike in Rangers or Pathfinders, would you have nominate one specific location as being where he is located, or would the entire building count as where he is located? Thus, if two squads came in on the same turn, could they come in on opposite sides of the building?

Thanks,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to deploy your fortifications in your own table half?

The assumption is that 12" away from your opponent would be your table half. You have 24" of neutral ground in most set-up maps.

That is a really good idea!

Also you could use Illic as a solid distraction unit with his infiltrate capabilities.*DO NOT MAKE HIM THE WARLORD* Go second. Hope the enemy deploys as far forward as possible. Deploy Illic behind enemy lines. Place all rangers/pathfinders in reserve. If they ignore Illic, then deepstrike all rangers onto his position. If they do go after him, then hope that he can pull as much of the enemy off of the main attack as possible. There are only so many turns after all. Then bring the rangers in through normal reserves or with outflank.


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It may be possible to attach Maugan Ra to the Ranger/Pathfinder squad, which would up their firepower and allow them to pew pew on deep strike thanks to his relentless special rule.

Kind of doesn't work. You're supposed to declare which units are in "Deep Strike Reserve" when declaring what is in reserve and what isn't. So they'd have to DS, even if he died.

kaisshau wrote:
Kind of doesn't work. You're supposed to declare which units are in "Deep Strike Reserve" when declaring what is in reserve and what isn't. So they'd have to DS, even if he died.

Not quite with Illic. Rangers/Pathfinders can't Deepstrike normally. Their only special deployment option is Outflank. Illic allows you to take any Rangers/Pathfinders who are Outflanking and, instead, Deepstrike them when they arrive. So it does work, but the options would be either Deepstrike on Illic or Outflank.

 warpspider89 wrote:

It may be possible to attach Maugan Ra to the Ranger/Pathfinder squad, which would up their firepower and allow them to pew pew on deep strike thanks to his relentless special rule.

This bit, here, is the bit that doesn't work. Relentless is per model, Slow and Purposeful is "a unit with a model". Maugan Ra will not give Relentless to the Rangers.

I know this thread is a bit old, but since my question is still on topic... Can Illic use Walker of the Hidden Path to infiltrate say, Scorpions (which HAVE infiltrate) closer than they normally would be able to?

No. Nothing in his rule allows this.

I think the consensus with how it's worded is no, but it seems like something they could clarify in an FAQ.