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 alienvalentine wrote:
I don't know, I think that $50 is a pretty fair price for a hard back, full color, 100+ pages worth of Codex. It's actually cheaper than most similarly produced "coffee table" art books. Some of their model kits on the other hand are horribly overpriced.

Most coffee table books are like 9$ at barnes and nobles. The 300 page 40k RPG books are of much better quality and cost 10$ more. No reason to try to justify the price when it cannot be justified.

I am very happy about supplements for various specific factions being released. However, having to pay €78 to play one army is a bit excessive, I wonder why they could not put all the rules to play the army in that one book, same as with say, uuuhm, Blood Angels, Dark Angels or Space Wolves. As it stands now it's just to damn expensive to buy both, a shame really.

Here's the thing. They could have left Wraithguard and Wraithblades as Elite only in the main codex. They could have left the Spiritseer as a unit found only in this supplement. That truly WOULD have forced Iyanden players to buy this thing in order to play their army the way they expect to. But they didn't.

All of the Craftworlds (barring Biel-Tan, poor buggers) can be played in a way that's very fluffy to their choice of craftworld without any supplements. The Iyanden book looks to have just a little bit more flexibility to polish up an already playable Iyanden list made from the main book.

In short, they could have been real donkey-caves about this, but if you're playing Iyanden and don't want to shell out, it's not a big loss, and you can still field your Wraith army.

Ugh, GW continues to give me pause once again about buying their product. I wish they would finally tank so someone else can try and run this tub better.

A lot of people are acting like you can't play Iyanden with just the Eldar Codex...this is clearly not true.

 Kirasu wrote:

 alienvalentine wrote:
I don't know, I think that $50 is a pretty fair price for a hard back, full color, 100+ pages worth of Codex. It's actually cheaper than most similarly produced "coffee table" art books. Some of their model kits on the other hand are horribly overpriced.

Most coffee table books are like 9$ at barnes and nobles. The 300 page 40k RPG books are of much better quality and cost 10$ more. No reason to try to justify the price when it cannot be justified.

GW does not make those games, therefor the price can not be doubled. FFG makes them and they don't live inside the looney bin called GW.

First off, I totally get the appeal for the gamers as well as GW with suppliments.

Maybe it is just me, but I prefer to have one codex in my hands when playing. The thought of having to have two books on the table and flipping between the two is just not that appealing to me.

I swear the only reason I play this game anymore is because I collect so much stuff to paint that I can field it and might as well do it and round out my modeling experience by doing so.

This is great news, there are actual rules in it! I hope this model is successful and we'll see supplements to cover all sorts of variant armies.

 shamikebab wrote:
A lot of people are acting like you can't play Iyanden with just the Eldar Codex...this is clearly not true.

Ofcourse you can play an Iyanden army with the main codex and not use the supplement. I agree that there's no reason to have to buy the extra book, it's just a shame they didn't go all the way with it and completely finished it imho. It looks like a great addition but it's just to damn expensive to justify getting them both I think. That is all there is to it, and I do find that a bit sad. I was thinking about going Iyanden but I'll just stuck to the main codex with an emphasis on wraith guard/lords and a yellow paint job. No one is forcing me to buy it after all. I was just hoping it would be a full list that would mean not spend money for 2 books on one army.

So with a Wraithknight as a Warlord, maybe he can take and fire all 4 guns.

Glad to see my flavor of Eldar getting a book, not so happy about the additional expense.

I look forward to devouring the contents.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 deathholydeath wrote:
I hope they release more books like this. Maybe I'll finally get my CSM Legions book.

Codex: Legions
Author: Matt Ward

A man can dream

As a die hard CSM player, this would make me stupendously sad.

~Vryce

shade1313 wrote:
Textbooks are a poor comparison. Captive group of consumers, who MUST BUY it

This is a bad comparison to rulebooks?

 Manchu wrote:

shade1313 wrote:
Textbooks are a poor comparison. Captive group of consumers, who MUST BUY it

This is a bad comparison to rulebooks?

There's quite a difference between a hobby that you engage in recreationally and a class towards your degree.

shade1313 wrote:
There's quite a difference between a hobby that you engage in recreationally and a class towards your degree.

Check your sarcasm detector.

wufai wrote:I'm completely calling bs on this one! Am I the only sane one here that feels this 'suppliment' should be bundled to the new eldar codex? I'm not an eldar player but I feels sorry for the elder player to have to buy TWO books to play their army to the full extent. Don't buy both books? then you don't get the 'awesome' rule to use for your Eldar army.

I would actually fell better if they would make it a standalone codex, like dark eldar.

This codex suppliment has the taint to the dreaded video games DLC or in app purchase format.

If this gains acceptance. I can already see the new Codex: Space Marines will definitly contain suppliments for Black Templars and even other chapters like Imperial Fist, Salamadar etc. I pity the SM player who needs to keep buying 'suppliment' codex to play with slightly different varations of SMs

I agree. I'm not on board with supplements. The information should be rolled into the main book or left alone entirely. I plan on doing a small allied contingent of Eldar and even plan on doing Iyanden, but I will not be purchasing this supplement. I do not wish to contribute to its success and ultimately the precedent it may set for future releases.

Iracundus wrote:One concern I have is whether GW will suffer from changes in its policy and design vision. It had supplemental Codices and WD army lists previously, then decided to fold them back into the main Codex. Now it seems Iyanden is going to be the first in a new series of supplements, showing a change back to the old vision of many variations. However it could be in a few years they will change yet again and swing back to 1 Codex per race. GW can't seem to make up its mind and changes before they have gone through one cycle of the whole range of Codices.

It's clear that this is a gimmick to get more sales. GW can go in and out of differing sales models from edition to edition to drive sales and as a business it's fantastic in that regards. However, as a consumer it's horrible and I'm left feeling abused.

shamikebab wrote:A lot of people are acting like you can't play Iyanden with just the Eldar Codex...this is clearly not true.

Correct, but a lot of people (Eldar players) will be left feeling uninformed if they don't purchase the book. They'll not know all the available options to them when building their Eldar army. This is probably the biggest failing of supplements.

I suddenly want this and a wraithknight... damn you gw for making me want things I previously didn't, damn you!

Ill have to flip through it when its released and see if its worth my time.

shade1313 wrote:
There's quite a difference between a hobby that you engage in recreationally and a class towards your degree.

Not really. The initial premise is the same: you are captive as a matter of choice. If you want X, you must also do Y.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Check your sarcasm detector.

No, I was being sincere -- well, halfway at least. (Because it doesn't seem like you need the Iyanden book to play Eldar.)

 Kroothawk wrote:

Codex: Iyanden

From Dan Harden, White Dwarf Daily

The children of Asuryan are truly blessed, for today the iPad Edition of Codex: Iyanden goes on pre-order. As the first supplemental Codex for Warhammer 40,000, this is a very exciting time to be a hobbyist.

LMFAO

You know what my favorite armies were when I was actively playing 40k?
Dark Angels (supplemental codex)
Black Templars (codex: armageddon, compilation of several supplemental codecies)
Steel Legion (codex: armageddon, compilation of several supplemental codecies)
Catachan blah blah blah (supplemental codex)
Armageddon Ork Fighters (WD supplemental army list)
Feral Orks (WD supplemental but nearly complete army list)
Ulthwe (craftworld eldar, compilation of several supplemental codecies)
Death Guard (originally a WD supplemental army list)
Lost and the Damned Black Templars (codex: Eye of Terror, compilation of several supplemental codecies)
Ulthwe again, as a strike force (codex: Eye of Terror, compilation of several supplemental codecies)

...yes, I did also like a few from vanilla codexes, but I've always liked the niche armies. Really screwed me in 4th edition.




I believe what Dan Harden, White Dwarf Daily meant to say was

The children of Asuryan are truly blessed, for today the iPad Edition of Codex: Iyanden goes on pre-order. As the first $50 supplemental Codex for Warhammer 40,000, this is a very exciting time to be a hobbyist.

Curious that they decided to restart sub-codex books with an Iyanden book, which, while caracterful, seems like it would otherwise have been far below other options like a CSM, IG, or even other eldar options (I'd have figured Ulthwe or Alaitoc would have been more in line with something like that, though I guess they also didn't have a bunch of new unit kits come out that fit really well like Iyanden did).

I've longed for this moment since Codex: Craftworld Eldar. And now i'm 21... GW has certainly taken its sweet time. Glad Iyanden is getting the attention it deserves!

 Vaktathi wrote:
Curious that they decided to restart sub-codex books with an Iyanden book, which, while caracterful, seems like it would otherwise have been far below other options like a CSM, IG, or even other eldar options (I'd have figured Ulthwe or Alaitoc would have been more in line with something like that, though I guess they also didn't have a bunch of new unit kits come out that fit really well like Iyanden did).

It really is simple.

Eldar needed a new big model to follow the trend for every single new release. The big model for Eldar is a construct so it fits the Iyanden theme perfectly. So they decide that since the first wave to boost sales will include the big Wraith, they might as well release the new Wraithguard and the Wraithseer in the same time, and since all of them are thematically Iyanden units, the first supplemental Eldar codex might as well be Iyanden. There's nothing about Iyanden deserving anything. It just happens to be the craftworld that fits the new big gribblie the best.

It's just a shame that the Wraithknight is overpriced in game and thus not particularly effective. They'd have ~1000$ of my money if it was good (potentially more if I go crazy). I wonder when they'll learn. They were so close. Just a points cost fix away. Mat Ward would've made it good and GW would've made money. Fire Phil Kelly

@spiralingcadaver: the price has been up since Friday on iBooks...
it's $40, not $50...

i guess Dan meant the first supplemental Codex for 6th edition, since we have had plenty of supplements in the past, as you pointed out...
one was even FREE in WD, Codex: Assassins...

cheers
jah

 Therion wrote:
It's just a shame that the Wraithknight is overpriced in game and thus not particularly effective. They'd have ~1000$ of my money if it was good (potentially more if I go crazy). I wonder when they'll learn. They were so close. Just a points cost fix away. Mat Ward would've made it good and GW would've made money. Fire Phil Kelly

So we'd get a truly OP Mary Sue fluffed killingmachine with incredibly lame powers that in NO way fit with the background of the army?
No thank you, I prefer an almost hit better than a misfire

PK may not be the sharpest tool, but he's way better than Ward IMHO

Perhaps we'll get a supplement for World Eaters & Some alternate Necron supplement next month, what with the Apocalypse releases.

Which ones are the other craftworlds do you think deserve a supplemental codex? I think it's pretty obvious but:
Alaitoc: Rangers focused. Pathfinders same price as rangers?
Ulthwé: Psychic powers. Choosing powers instead of rolling?
Saim-Hann: Fast movement. +1 Jink Save?
Biel-Tan: Elite army. Assault after running?

Any other suggestions to the wishlist?

So we'd get a truly OP Mary Sue fluffed killingmachine with incredibly lame powers that in NO way fit with the background of the army?
No thank you, I prefer an almost hit better than a misfire

PK may not be the sharpest tool, but he's way better than Ward IMHO

Well, Jeremy Vetock did the Tau? That guy's so obviously a gamer. The codex is filled to the brim with tools for all 6th edition challenges. All of them cost points but you get to decide which ones you want. Riptide is rather awesome for its points but yet balanced enough that some people actually tried to argue its' bad when the codex came out.

Phil Kelly on the other hand is anything but a gamer and his latest Eldar are a brilliant example of it. A codex that doesn't have answers for any of the 6th edition problems, and on top of it all he probably cost GW hundreds of thousands of dollars by completely dropping the ball on the Wraithknight by making it awful.

 sphynx wrote:
I've longed for this moment since Codex: Craftworld Eldar. And now i'm 21... GW has certainly taken its sweet time. Glad Iyanden is getting the attention it deserves!

My God, you are old! Better get that zimmer ordered, its all downhill from here

Man....reading this thread I totally understand why GW utterly ignores the sentiments of the internet.....nothing will ever make many of you happy and all you want is something to complain about.

#1 - Thank you 4chan (as a supplement "may" show up there)

#2 - I just want a reason to build a dual ghost-sword wielding HQ choice