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Made in gb
Rough Rider with Boomstick



Wiltshire

 Super Ready wrote:
pantsonhead wrote:
People have said this many times over the years, but saves work in deeply weird ways.


Back in 2nd ed, it worked very differently. Cover reduced your BS, so reduced your chance to hit to begin with. AP reduced your save rather than the yes/no mechanic we have now... and Invulnerable saves worked more or less the same, but weren't called Invulnerables yet and only came as special rules or wargear, so they were much less common.
Terminators still had a 3+... but on two dice. So they still had a chance to save against weapons as strong as even lascannons, which were a whopping -6 AP (enough to knock out anything else bar Invulnerables).

This made more sense - but trying to apply it to the sizes of armies we have now would just make things take way too long. You'd have to split wound pools according to each weapon and *then again* for mixed saves if it applied... a lot of the time you'd be taking saves individually. It was one of the biggest changes moving from 2nd to 3rd ed, and all things considered I'm kind of glad about it.

I started a thread a while ago in proposed rules talking about cover saves and how they make no sense at all People got very angry

Note to the reader: my username is not arrogance. No, my name is taken from the most excellent of commanders: Lord Castellan Creed, of the Imperial Guar- I mean Astra Militarum - who has a special rule known only as "Tactical Genius"... Although nowhere near as awesome as before, it now allows some cool stuff for the Guar- Astra Militarum - player. FEAR ME AND MY TWO WARLORD TRAITS. 
   
Made in ca
Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon





Tied and gagged in the back of your car

This entire book could be a lot better.

   
Made in au
Regular Dakkanaut




Challenges are another thing that i hate.

Whats that? You've got an awesome hq that you charged into combat to kill a group of my dudes? Nah, my sergeant will challenge you, and if you say no, you sit in the back whimpering. Better waste that 250 points even more!

Now when given the option, i dont take any characters in a squad, just to ignore challenges.
   
Made in ca
Evasive Pleasureseeker



Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto

Dragonzord wrote:
Challenges are another thing that i hate.

Whats that? You've got an awesome hq that you charged into combat to kill a group of my dudes? Nah, my sergeant will challenge you, and if you say no, you sit in the back whimpering. Better waste that 250 points even more!

Now when given the option, i dont take any characters in a squad, just to ignore challenges.


Bring a Sergeant of your own. Laugh as your blender lord still gets to swing away...

Not seeing the issue here at all.
Seriously, the challenge rules are a nice little tarpit you use to catch silly people who think running a blender lord into your unit on their own is a smart move...

 
   
 
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