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**Moopy**

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:
Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Moopy wrote:
Agreed. It's very different than SW.

How? Both are berserker warriors dead-set on killing the enemy at all costs. Not much difference there, other than space wolves realize how useful such a person can be and give him the pick of the armory apparently.

There's a fairly massive difference. In addition to Lone Wolves retaining their mental faculties rather than being consumed by insane delusions like Death Company are, if a Lone Wolf succeeds in killing something suitably impressive, they're welcomed back into their Great Company and promoted to Wolf Guard status. If a Death Company member lives through doing something suitably heroic, he still gets put down.

Thank you! Work got busy and I didn't get to responding to much of anything.

**shabbadoo**

pretre wrote:
[url=http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/10/blood-angels-and-space-wolves_19.html]There has been no Finecast releases for quite some time, so if this is going to happen, it would mean the rumors of Finecast being phased out were incorrect.

Um, no, it only means that GW is not currently ready to convert EVERYTHING from Finecast to plastic....yet, not that such rumors are incorrect. Just because the plastic characters (well, the named ones at least) are mostly confined to WFB at this point does not mean that we won't be seeing some in 40K releases too. Eventually.

**timetowaste85**

xxvaderxx wrote:
timetowaste85 wrote:
I could see a LR tank in the SW codex, easily. It IS named after their Primarch, after all. It's daft that it wasn't in the fifth edition codex. That's something I've never understood, actually.

I already see it, in fact i see hole squadron of it, its called allying with IG.

I assume you're having a good joke at GW's expense for ally rules. Lol. Well played. The other option is that you're serious, which would require a

for missing the point. So I'll assume the joke is in order

**Bonde**

Red__Thirst wrote:
Here's my viewpoint on the BA fluff, retconns and everything in between.

I'll preface by saying I've been playing Blood Angels since 3rd Edition, and have the 3rd edition mini-dex, White Dwarf 'codex', and of course the newest codex as well. I also have the Angels of Death codex where they, along with the Dark Angels, were first introduced as a stand alone army back in 2nd edition I believe. I also have all of the newer Blood Angels novels released so far by James Swallow (Good books all, I enjoyed them for what they were anyway).

Blood Angels are, at their core, noble and proud (as any Space Marine is proud of their chapter, obviously) but that pride is tempered and they are more humble in their pride than some. Hence why I use the word noble first in my description. Every Blood Angel, or Son of Sanguinius for that matter, fights a battle with the Black Rage every day of their lives. That's the source of their Nobility, the struggle to fight their baser instincts and the daily pride of triumphing over such a terrible curse within their own minds until the day they finally do lose themselves to the Rage, and the knowledge that even in madness, they can still be of service to Sanguinius, and the Emperor.

The Red Thirst is a different beast all together. That channeling of the battle lust, the culmination of desire to see the enemies of mankind slain and torn apart in visceral hand to hand combat. That is the Red Thirst, and I love the duality of that, and the Black Rage, coupled with the 'normal' method of quiet, serine nobility that the Blood Angels practice when not engaged in combat.

That's why they are the epitome of nobility, and one of the reasons why I love the chapter so much.

Lastly, I'll speak to why the Death Company are not typically given suits of Tactial Dreadnought Armor.

It isn't because they are more precious (though TDA is very rare and precious in any marine chapter to be sure!) but because of one very simple point: Mobility.

TDA, while being very stout and hardy, protecting the wearer from most any harm, it is not known for it's mobility. Blood Angels are a very fast moving, hard hitting, mobile force. Most Blood Angels assaults are rapid, fast-moving affairs in the lore, and having your spearhead unit plodding along in TDA does not lend itself to this kind of attack pattern. Also, the Death Company are resilient to wounds already, so the sacrifice in protection while wearing power armor vs. TDA is somewhat offset, and gives the Death Company the mobility it needs to cover ground more effectively and continue to spearhead the often rapid assault of the rest of the force behind it.

Just my .02 cents worth. Thanks for reading and I'll catch you guys later.

-Red__Thirst-

Great post, you just described perfectly why BA is the only SM chapter that I like.