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Oh the irony.

It would have been the Fast Attack I would have backed this for, and I would happily have thrown some money at a fixed funding campaign.

Alas, it does not look like it will happen this time, but I await the next campaign eagerly.

So why again is a fixed funding campaign with a low 2,000$ safer, when the other already got 4000$ ?
And what does the official "no production below 25k$" announcement mean, when a fixed 2k campaign is started immediately after the announcement?

azreal13 wrote:And I speak real English.

Blimey!

Wehrkind wrote:Please, there's what, 65 million of you? We have 5 times the votes in favor of American being the "real" English

But 30% of those votes were done out of politeness, because the Chinese and Mexicans didn't know what was asked

That's right, we have more people voting for Spanglish and Chinglish than those Brits even have for their own language I think the proverbial ship has sailed

 Kroothawk wrote:
So why again is a fixed funding campaign with a low 2,000$ safer, when the other already got 4000$ ?
And what does the official "no production below 25k$" announcement mean, when a fixed 2k campaign is started immediately after the announcement?

Agreed, it's pretty confusing here! Two campaigns running simultaneously, and the funds have already come out from the first.

Can you try contacting IndieGoGo and asking them to cancel one of the campaigns, DarkHammer? 2 going at once is not good...

Yeah, I feel stupid being the only backer in the other one!

I'm confused now, is this still a thing? Are both campaigns avalaible still? I'm tempted because of an Asian mythology themed RPG I wanted to run, but this doesn't seem to get any further?

I would be all for this as a kickstarter. As an Inidgogo I will probably wait until they hit stores.

Well, this was a curious project to follow. Although it started out as a well-conceived campaign to expand the portfolio of a small but tested miniature producer, insufficient knowledge of Indiegogo as a crowd funding platform or at least bad internal communication led it to stumble over the starting line and again when it came to crisis management. Bad press brought on by the first stumble and by an audience not familiar with the limits on Kickstarter made matters worse.

The first choice, to go on Indiegogo with a US$25 000 campaign sounded like an ambitious but reasonable one. Relying on freelancers for their 3D masters, (the last three being made by the great Ni-Vanuatu-turned-French artist Fancagne Didier) I’m guessing that getting the masters are the single most expensive part of their operation with their wide range of models, necessitating them to rise all before they could hope to get the bundles into production.

As it seems this was not known by the guy responsible for initiating the Indiegogo campaign as he went with the flexible funding option which was both more expensive than the fixed one (9 % if you don’t succed + 3 % credit card fee + PayPal fee vs PayPal fee only) and left the audience with the impression that something was odd. Despite this, money was running and by day two and about $ 4000 in they started crisis management by stressing that it was in fact a fixed funding campaign.

By day three they decided to step up the crisis management with a second fixed funding campaign with a limited number of sculpts, and by day four it was up and running with a $ 2000 limit. With a few of the masters probably already under way, this looked like a conservative and prudent move in an uncertain environment.

But then the initial mistake was topped by a second one. The only reasonable thing to do would have been to do damage control by declaring the first campaign to be de facto cancelled (as Indiegogo did not allow it to be cancelled on their platform), remove all links from their homepage and go public with a statement that a mistake had been made and would be rectified. Instead they decided to abort crisis management, riding both horses with the inevitable result that both campaigns were lost and increasing the money lost on the first one.

Hopefully the combination of the failed Indiegogo campaign and a way too heavy discount won’t set them back too much and that we can expect the rest of the concepts turned into sculpts eventually. As I write this, I see that Didier is still working on the Soul Reaper. That, at least, is a good sign.

Cool to know who the sculptor is, thanks havre!

Amazing models, I would definitely donate if the campaigns were still running.

Real shame, as there were definitely some stunning looking sculpts in this project. Hopefully it will still manage to get off the ground in one form or another.

Wow, Indiegogo really sucks, I haven't had a single message regarding the project even finishing yet a crapload of their stupid Indiegogo spam!
So what happens with the pledges now? I went the fixed funding one, yet received no refund?

No money is charged from your credit card in a fixed one unless the goal is reached. So you don't receive a refund since no money should be charged.

It was charged at the time of pledging.

Joyboozer wrote:
It was charged at the time of pledging.

Have you tried messaging the campaign creator directly, or IndiGoGo?

How long ago did the campaign end ? this is what indiegogo says

Fixed Funding campaigns

Contributions made to any fixed funding campaign will be refunded in full if the campaign has not met its funding goal by its deadline. Contributors will receive these refunds in their PayPal account within 5 days after the campaign's end.

Ah, cheers missed that bit. Looks like the minis i pledged for are now available for sale anyway. Oh no, a proper retail purchase, how do they work again!

Is it the same range that was available from the shop previously (on this link? http://www.darkhammerminiature.com/shop.html)

That Undead Samurai looks lovely, hopefully the Light infantry unit will be available soon.

All lovely sculpts, but I keep wondering why they will not fix their wonky translations and myriad of typos. I can't be the only one who thinks that if they are not professional enough to avoid selling a "limilted edtion", how could I expect them to be professional enough to send me their products quickly and securely? If they can not be bothered to proof-read their site, can they be bothered to control the quality of the products they send out? Also, a word of explanation regarding the outcome of their two kickstarters in the places they advertised on (e.g. here) would not have hurt, either.

I would have liked to pledge but was slightly sceptical before - now I'm VERY sceptical. Not sure they're doing themselves a service here.

They're not writing in their first language, so while it doesn't excuse typos and misspellings, it might go somewhat towards explaining why they're happening.

As for the product, I can only speak as I find in that regard, but my Blood Tyrant arrived well packaged, well cast and, perhaps more unusually for some of the smaller manufacturers, with apparently some thought put into how the components were broken down for assembly, minimising any visible joins between pieces etc.

I shared a number of your reservations about the crowd funding, which is why I didn't back it, despite there being some concepts in the first project I would dearly have loved (the 'Fast Attack' unit if you're reading DHM, you can produce them as soon as possible please!) but my experiences with dealing with them directly means I pre ordered the Soul Reaper without hesitation or reservation.

I'm really sorry for the necro, but does anyone know what the feth has happened to Dark hammer miniatures?

Their website is completely dead, and i just checked the Indiegogo page along with their Facebook and it appears they never bothered refunding the $5,000 they raised. They had such an amazing and promising range, that I'm just completely shocked that they decided to screw over the people who supported them.

This is all based on my own speculation, but I know enough to read between the lines a little bit. Apply salt as you feel fit.

I very much doubt they decided to screw anyone over. Despite the way many posters react on here when a company goes out of business, deliberate fraud is, thankfully, relatively uncommon in the grand scheme, and it is far more frequently incompetence or outside forces that cause a business to close it's doors.

That said, the warning signs were there in the first Indiegogo campaign, if you apply the standard "if it looks too good to be true, it usually is" mantra. They were offering ludicrous deals to backers, and that was after offering some extraordinary deals to existing customers around this time last year (again, pay us now for something in a few months.) Now many, myself included, did get our models from that offer but it was a difficult birth, they were much later than promised and there was no outgoing comms from DH towards the end of that.

All this behaviour suggests that they had terrible cash flow, and we're doing stuff to try and get money ASAP in the hope that they'd be able to catch up with increased orders etc.. further down the line.

Trading on the basis of orders you might receive in the future is a horrible way to do business, and I suspect it caught up with them. The fact is, I doubt they had the $5000 to give back, because I suspect that it went to pay some rather pressing bills as soon as it got pledged.

Like I say, all speculation on my part, but they way they acted was far from unique, so it is quite easy to follow.

They shouldn't be criticised for trying and failing, but they really shouldn't have acted the way they have in going dark, even an announcement to say "we are now out of business, sorry" would be something.

I have got a bunch of their minis going spare if anyone wants some though!

How big were these figures? They looked pretty cool.

I'll admit, I almost jumped on this one, but I caught this thread and decided to wait until more figures were released.

Maybe I'll go track some down to check them out. A shame really.

I actually ended up receiving my "dark hammer bag" deal, which was rather shocking, as did quite a few posters on here. I was thrilled with the models... but yeah, the company was so sketchy regarding communication (i.e. none) and timelines that I would never risk dealing with them directly again.

Although, Paypal's new 180 filing window will help dealing with a foreign company with a long preorder window like this one used... but for those who backed the IndieGoGo I think there is probably no chance at restitution. That's why I stayed away from the campaign, it was too confused and didn't seem plausible.

But they did deliver great models to quite a few of us, for a very low price... high risk high reward, I guess

There were still some minis doing the rounds on auctioneering websites when I last looked recently, and I think there were even some vendors that had some for sale.

Shame they didn't carry on, there were some really nice ideas. The characters were great, of course there is nothing to stop someone getting some of those and then making up 'rank and file' using the Wargames Factory samurai and skeleton kits mixed up, or something similar.

Yeah, a few of the concept sketches from the first indiegogo really caught my attention, I guess not having the cash to back it at the time was a blessing.

@Highlord The models are a decent size - I'm using their Undead Samurai as Plague Drones counts as and they fill a 60mm base quite comfortably, the more monstrous stuff is roughly equivalent to the GW Daemon Prince without wings, and then things like the Monk are a large 30mm infantry size, would make a good unit leader type in the right squad.

Good to know.

The hunt shall begin!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Good to know.

The hunt shall begin!

I know of a few unreputable places to find a few of these.

A shame they went under - the sculpts were pretty unique!

Just picked up the Monk with a Thousand Hands and Soul Reaper for $25 total delivered on ebay. Anyone know a good spot to get the samurai and blood tyrant on the cheapish?

I also got one of the long-waited-for bags. So, that means I have more of the minis than I need. I'm totally willing to offer them to a couple people at a fair rate. Hit me up.