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Puscifer wrote:
Oh right, so it's a model that is being released then?

Awesome.

Yeah she's got two stabby sticks, sprint, and a few other odds and ends. And FOC 4. She'll have 2 models though, one will be the Kickstarter exclusive one, then after that there'll be the regular release one.

We also get a new caster And so do Cryx. No one else.

Just made my first Cygnar list:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/570529.page#6383283

Please tell me if I'm going about this the wrong way.

Mordekiem wrote:

But eventually all arguments lead to the conclusion of why not let the caster run the stormwall? They can usually do it the most efficiently. In fact the stormwall is a very efficient use of focus compared to other jacks. Jr. is still a good idea. AS is a great spell and JR can be of use simply as a solo.

I'm looking to do a assassination list that uses sloan and 2 stormwalls [with jakes controlling the other colossal]

Grimtuff wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
But you would certainly want to hide Jakes [who would be much better at controlling a stormwall than the normal JR] behind the colossal so they're unlikely to be hit with any serious shooting.

But then you're not using them to their full potential as all you're doing is hiding them. All it takes is one lucky scatter from an AOE and/or your opponent to have Taryn di la Rovissi for example and they're a gonner.

Good point, but 4 focus points mean that I could really hide Jakes in a unit of sword knights "8" away from the stromwall. Besides Taryn is easy to kill.

 sing your life wrote:

Mordekiem wrote:

But eventually all arguments lead to the conclusion of why not let the caster run the stormwall? They can usually do it the most efficiently. In fact the stormwall is a very efficient use of focus compared to other jacks. Jr. is still a good idea. AS is a great spell and JR can be of use simply as a solo.

I'm looking to do a assassination list that uses sloan and 2 stormwalls [with jakes controlling the other colossal]

I admit I don't know much about Sloan, but isn't her feat and one of (or more than one?) her best spells battlegroup only?

And there are many other ways of ignoring models than just Taryn. MHSF will make Jakes cry. Siege can foxhole the colossal. Incorporeal can go right thru it. ghostwalk or parry will allow them to run right past it as well. Among many other things.

All in all, it sounds dangerous. And with 43 points tied up in 2 stormwalls, Jakes and reinholdt you won't have many other points for swordknights or anything else.

I heard the Stormwall is good with Sloan (good with just about anyone, hehe) but two of them set up like you are saying seems like a lot of eggs in one basket and a severe skew list. But if you try it out let us know how it goes. I am always interested in new tactics and ideas. I just have a few concerns.

Part of Sloan's feat affects her whole army. It is basically an army-wide deadeye plus a few extra battlegroup shots.

 Dais wrote:
Part of Sloan's feat affects her whole army. It is basically an army-wide deadeye plus a few extra battlegroup shots.

And an awesome assassination Feat if you can get your troops lined up. Like most of Cygnar's power moves it is highly situational but if you do pull it off it is devastating and gratifying.

Well, after picking up a great deal of stuff from my FLGS, I can safely say, after testing, I do not like pStryker all that much.

He's too middle of the board. Like Ryu and Ken, he's average at everything, but has no significant weaknesses.

I've tried eHaley and I'm really liking her as a caster. Really easy to build a list around her and she is actually really powerful. I still forget to use her feat though, but nonetheless, a lot of fun.

In a Steamroller list, who would make a good caster for the second list and how do you go about taking named units?

I've found Arlan to be good and the Black 13th too, so how do I replace them in the other list?

I have in list one:

eHaley.
-Squire.
-Stormclad.
-Thorn.

JWC.
Arlan Strangewayes.

Black 13th.
Stormblade Infantry.
-UA.
-3 WA.

The other models I have are:

Kraye.
pStryker.
Sylys.
Ol' Rowdy.
Charger.
Lancer.
Ironclad.
Stormblade Captain.

It's really tough to build two 35 point lists with the pool of units I have.

Any pointers?

B13 can usually be replaced by atgm with ua or perhaps the blazers. Arlan is cool but plenty of lists can do without him.

I treat B13 as an elite kill team as they should be and for 4 points they certianly pay for themselves.

ATGM + UA marhsalling a warjack is a solid strike team depending on the situation. Usually the UA is marshalling a Defender, Avenger or a Cyclone heavy warjack. These are by far the most focus effecient to make the most of the marshalling ability IMO.

The Tempest Blazers...they are a Morrowsend. They are becoming my goto harasser unit with casters such as Kraye. They're a real treat when I have the points. They're fast, squirmy and hit like a ton of bricks.

Which jack are you planning to bond with eHaley?

If you are running the Blades and as you don't own Rhupert then I would stick the Stormblade Captain in instead of Arlan, normally he would be better if you are running multiple Stormnoun units but the Blades need access to Pathfinder and with Deceleration up and Arcane Shield on them they will be able to get across the board.

As for your other list,

Well for the other casters you have I think you are missing some pieces to be able to make a 35pt list
Considering picking up Gun Mages, their UA, Rhupert and both versions of Eiryss which should allow to make the following 35pt list

pStryker +6
Ol' Rowdy 9
Lancer 6
Squire 2
Stormblades & UA 8
Gun Mages & UA 8
Rhupert 2
JWC 3
Eiryss 3

Ahhhhh, I have Eiryss all painted up for my RoS force which will soon be up for sale.

I'm looking at a Stormwall ATM as I don't think I want to field ATGM. Stormwall does everything the Stormclad and the ATGM do.

Was thinking of going with pNemo as I have tons of Jacks.

Is he viable?

Puscifer wrote:
Ahhhhh, I have Eiryss all painted up for my RoS force which will soon be up for sale.

What version is eyriss?

Prime.


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So I take it that pStryker is actually better when adding Rhupert.

Puscifer wrote:
Ahhhhh, I have Eiryss all painted up for my RoS force which will soon be up for sale.

I'm looking at a Stormwall ATM as I don't think I want to field ATGM. Stormwall does everything the Stormclad and the ATGM do.

Was thinking of going with pNemo as I have tons of Jacks.

Is he viable?

Stormwall and gun mages are very different and do different things. I don't really see them fighting for the same types of duties.

ATGM w/ UA can deal with stealth, are more accurate, better range and harder to hit, can push and cause knockdown. They also are more independent so can range father from the warcaster. Also much cheaper in points. Generally the things gun mages deal well with you wouldn't want to dedicate a19 point Stormwall to. Wage of points.

About all they have in common is they both have guns.

The Stormwall and ATGM do two completely different things. ATGM with UA and caster that has access to Deadeye clears High Def infantry and with the UA it allows them to deal with Stealth.

No Cygnar infantry is better when adding Rupert as he can give out Pathfinder, Tough, Def Buff and Fearless.

PNemo only wants 3 jacks at most with one being a Lancer or Thorn. eNemo out of the three will run multiples better because of his Feat

Well, I picked up the Stormwall and Rhupert.

Looking forward to testing out that monster.

It gives me a couple more options in regards of what to take in Steamroller.

Are there 50pt Steamroller or just 35?

I still think it is a bad idea to marshall something big and expensive like a Stormwall to a UA.

But that's just me being overly cautious. Another reason I like Cygnar is you can afford being cautious with them.

Heavy Metal wrote:
I still think it is a bad idea to marshall something big and expensive like a Stormwall to a UA.

But that's just me being overly cautious. Another reason I like Cygnar is you can afford being cautious with them.

What are you talking about? You can't Marshal a Colossal...

I believe he meant "assign the stormwall to a journeyman caster", which I also disagree with. Soon enough all factions will have the option to take a colossal on a journeyman though, so it should be interesting to see how that develops.

 Dais wrote:
I believe he meant "assign the stormwall to a journeyman caster", which I also disagree with. Soon enough all factions will have the option to take a colossal on a journeyman though, so it should be interesting to see how that develops.

I was about to say...

Still Journeymen warcasters are too squishy to have something like colossal at the helm.

Heavy Metal wrote:

Still Journeymen warcasters are too squishy to have something like colossal at the helm.

Definatly to squishy to stick with Jr./Jakes on a normal game, but you can always grab Gastone Crosse and bring a Galleon along with the Stormwall your caster brought.

Heavy Metal wrote:

 Dais wrote:
I believe he meant "assign the stormwall to a journeyman caster", which I also disagree with. Soon enough all factions will have the option to take a colossal on a journeyman though, so it should be interesting to see how that develops.

I was about to say...

Still Journeymen warcasters are too squishy to have something like colossal at the helm.

Not necessarily. I have a pHaley list that uses a Stormwall piloted by a Journeyman in it.

In the right formation the Journeyman is protected by the bulk of the Stormwall, by pHaley's spear and by a Sentinel and if my opponent manages to get past all of that and still kill the Journeyman, all I have to do is get pHaley into btb with the Stormwall to reactivate it.

In same faction lists there isn't much of a problem assigning Colossals to Jr Warcasters because if they die then the main warcaster can easily restart the Colossal without any problem. The real trouble comes if you choose to assign a Galleon to Gastogne in a non-Merc army because if Gastogne gets killed then the Galleon is lost as well (unless you take a Merc Jack Marshall in the same list).

Reactivating a warjack does not put it into your battlegroup. You would have to spend an additional turn in b2b forfeiting your action to add it to your battlegroup. That's 2 turns of limited options for your caster and colossal means you're losing the game badly and that's if you're still alive.

Reactivating a Warjack does put it into your Battlegroup if the person who is reactivating the Jack has the Battle Commander Rule. You forfeit your action to activate it. So move into B2B and sacrifice your action to re-actvate. Warcasters can still use spells and their Feat while doing this.

 Surtur wrote:
Reactivating a warjack does not put it into your battlegroup. You would have to spend an additional turn in b2b forfeiting your action to add it to your battlegroup. That's 2 turns of limited options for your caster and colossal means you're losing the game badly and that's if you're still alive.

I think you must be misremembering or misunderstanding something because this:

gobbo76 wrote:
Reactivating a Warjack does put it into your Battlegroup if the person who is reactivating the Jack has the Battle Commander Rule. You forfeit your action to activate it. So move into B2B and sacrifice your action to re-actvate. Warcasters can still use spells and their Feat while doing this.

Is the way that reactivating a warjack works.

Has anyone tried N3mo and Finch yet?

My local gaming group consider him as one of the top casters in all Jack 35pt and Electric based at 50pts.

Puscifer wrote:
Has anyone tried N3mo and Finch yet?

My local gaming group consider him as one of the top casters in all Jack 35pt and Electric based at 50pts.

He seems a bit overpriced due to be much better than nemo2 at 2X the cost [though I haven't tried him in a game yet]

PhantomViper wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
Reactivating a warjack does not put it into your battlegroup. You would have to spend an additional turn in b2b forfeiting your action to add it to your battlegroup. That's 2 turns of limited options for your caster and colossal means you're losing the game badly and that's if you're still alive.

I think you must be misremembering or misunderstanding something because this:

gobbo76 wrote:
Reactivating a Warjack does put it into your Battlegroup if the person who is reactivating the Jack has the Battle Commander Rule. You forfeit your action to activate it. So move into B2B and sacrifice your action to re-actvate. Warcasters can still use spells and their Feat while doing this.

Is the way that reactivating a warjack works.

Um no it doesn't. pg 68 does not state that reactivating adds it to your battlegroup, it is simply no longer inert. pg 80 states that a warcaster or jack marshal may take control of an autonomous warjack by forfeiting their action.

Nemo3 only wants 2 or 3 Jacks even with Finch. Nemo2 is a better jack caster out of the 3 versions IMO.

gobbo76 wrote:
Nemo3 only wants 2 or 3 Jacks even with Finch. Nemo2 is a better jack caster out of the 3 versions IMO.

At 35 pts, you take 2-3 on him and then take a couple with JWC/Arlan/Stormblades.

I think it could work.