Heldrake Arc of Fire

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**Inquisitor Lord Cuthbert**

Kommissar Kel wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
It doesn't mean that the drake can't shoot in a 360 arc.

Q: How do I determine the Arc of Sight for a Heldrake’s ranged
weapon? (p52)
A: Treat the Heldrake’s ranged weapon as a Turret
Mounted Weapon, measuring all ranges from the edge of
the Heldrake’s base nearest to the target unit.

Your underlined is not what matters, the half of the sentence after it does.

Just being a turreted weapon does not mean it has a 360* arc of fire; the Arc of fire is determined by turning the gun towards its target, or where it looks like the gun would be capable of turning, or in this case following the directions given to you to use the edge of the base nearest the target(giving it a 360* arc with a bit further range fore and aft).

It is a simple case of reading the actual rules that will help you understand this: Ignore the pretty pictures on that page, they are not the rules.

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grendel083 wrote:
deviantduck wrote:
Kommissar Kel wrote:
Obscured by hull means that it has less than a 360* arc of Fire now doesn't it?

It still has a 360* arc. It just has some of the arc's line of sight blocked.
Thgere's a difference between the Hull Obscuring the weapon, and the hull stopping the weapon from physically rotating. The Land Raider turret physically cannot rotate 360*.

And the Heavy Bolter turret on the Baneblade cannot.

And the Turret Ball mount of the Night Scythe does not look like it can traverse more than 45*

The turret on the Storm Raven cannot traverse 360*

What is your point?

Or do I need to go on?

Deviant Duck: The Arc Of fire is the LOS

Why would you get worked up over the semantics of turrets and their AoF? Then you question someone's ability to understand the rules when you clearly do not understand how the shooting phase properly works yourself.

**BlackTalos**

grendel083 wrote:
BlackTalos wrote:
My bad, i just knew we had decided it was not a turret.
Because someone 3 years ago from 5th Edition said it wasn't?

It most certainly is a turret.

I would disagree by quoting a definition from a dictionary: Turret - 3. a domelike structure, usu. revolving horizontally, in which a gun is mounted, as on an armored vehicle, ship, or aircraft.
It needs to be just like the Predator, Leman russ and Stormraven turrets: a relatively large block-like structure possibly housing a Gunner.

Not an assault cannon on a stick, which is closer to the chimera HB or Leman Russ LasCannon (both Hull-mounted weapons).
Also if you check your older codexes, the LandRaider weapon was previously RaW Hull-mounted (even if it no longer applies, why would that change)

My 2 cents...

On the Hellturkey subject, the FAQ is pretty clear:

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**grendel083**

BlackTalos wrote:
grendel083 wrote:
BlackTalos wrote:
My bad, i just knew we had decided it was not a turret.
Because someone 3 years ago from 5th Edition said it wasn't?

It most certainly is a turret.
I would disagree by quoting a definition from a dictionary: Turret - 3. a domelike structure, usu. revolving horizontally, in which a gun is mounted, as on an armored vehicle, ship, or aircraft.

The Land Raider turrets fits that description perfectly.

It needs to be just like the Predator, Leman russ and Stormraven turrets: a relatively large block-like structure possibly housing a Gunner.

Size isn't everything dude.
And the definition doesn't call for a gunner.

Edit: Bare in mind the the mounting in question is the EXACT SAME one used for the Razorback. Are you saying this is also Hull Mounted?

**nosferatu1001**

Erm, no, the turret assault cannon is nothing like the lascannon on a chimera. One is affixed to the hull and cannot move, the other is on a rotating, turret-like structure.

**Wagguy80**

Bottom line the weapon has to be able to point at the target.

If it is glued in place but could have pointed at the target it can still shoot.

Helldrake is FAQ'd so no point in even discussing it further.

So if when properly assembled it's not possible to rotate the weapon to point at the target it cannot shoot at the target.