Is there any new significant background from the latest Tyranid Codex?

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**VampireDeLaVega**

If only the Lord of Change didn't retreat and instead fought alongside the other two daemon lords than i think the daemons would had won the planet.

**Tyran**

At that point the battle was to stacked in favor of the nids.

**VampireDeLaVega**

Tyran wrote:
At that point the battle was to stacked in favor of the nids.

The Lord of charge got bored that they don't give emotions so he left. The daemons weren't even trying to really fight, if they were the alien bugs would had got roflstomp.

**Unyielding Hunger**

VampireDeLaVega wrote:
Tyran wrote:
At that point the battle was to stacked in favor of the nids.

The Lord of charge got bored that they don't give emotions so he left. The daemons weren't even trying to really fight, if they were the alien bugs would had got roflstomp.

Demons don't need to be eaten by Tyranids. In fact, in seems that the warp materials that make up demons is actually volatile with their biology. That being said, all Tyranids have to do is force you to waste your energy, weakening yourselves, before finally overwhelming you and destroying the material form to send the daemons back to the warp.

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

StarTrotter wrote:
Can't read it for several months. Did they change anything to ymgarl? I think I heard that they still have a small excerpt in maybe (the doom does I know that). Does it change the fluff in any way?

The Ymgral infestation is recorded as wiped out ~750.M41 in the last SM codex

**TiamatRoar**

Tyrannids can kill daemons the same way everyone else kills them in the material realm (note that killing a daemon in the material realm just sends it back to the warp, but hey, at least you got rid of the bugger)

By slashing, burning, crushing, shooting, exploding, stomping, pounting, eviscerating, or any other variation of extreme physical duress. Starving counts, too, just like everything else, although what daemons "eat" is significantly different from most material beings (but still applies. In this case, the tyrannids can starve them out because there are not enough mortals around to feed them energy)

It's the immaterial realm where you're inevitably screwed against daemons (Note that Draigo is explicitly stated to be achieving NOTHING when he kills a daemon or chaos structure in the warp. It just reforms anyways. So it's a war he, as well as anything else, will never win in there). But the Battle of Shadowbrink wasn't that.

**Kovnik Obama**

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
StarTrotter wrote:
Can't read it for several months. Did they change anything to ymgarl? I think I heard that they still have a small excerpt in maybe (the doom does I know that). Does it change the fluff in any way?

The Ymgral infestation is recorded as wiped out ~750.M41 in the last SM codex

Probably just going with the whole ''The Imperium has tried to eradicate them many times, and often thought they had succeeded, but in every cases the Ymgral re-emerged many years later..." thing, IMHO.

**the shrouded lord**

TiamatRoar wrote:
Tyrannids can kill daemons the same way everyone else kills them in the material realm (note that killing a daemon in the material realm just sends it back to the warp, but hey, at least you got rid of the bugger)

By slashing, burning, crushing, shooting, exploding, stomping, pounting, eviscerating, or any other variation of extreme physical duress. Starving counts, too, just like everything else, although what daemons "eat" is significantly different from most material beings (but still applies. In this case, the tyrannids can starve them out because there are not enough mortals around to feed them energy)

It's the immaterial realm where you're inevitably screwed against daemons (Note that Draigo is explicitly stated to be achieving NOTHING when he kills a daemon or chaos structure in the warp. It just reforms anyways. So it's a war he, as well as anything else, will never win in there). But the Battle of Shadowbrink wasn't that.

thank you.

**StarTrotter**

So I read it. I do wish they didn't go for poetry with the ichor blood for Khorne. Khorne not getting emotions can explain it but ichor blood would fuel him if the spilling of blood fills somebody. That or there are probably some xenos races that don't feed him and even some marines that bleed ammo and fuel. So if they continue making books, I'd enjoy a revenge of the 4 daemons striking back at nids but making it far more horrific mwahahaha. The kind where the Imperium really doesn't want either to win. If chaos daemons win hurray the warp breaks out! And if the nids when the climactic battle.....

let's just say some nasty gribblies will be crawling out bashing right into an imperial fleet.

Oh, and thank you for explaining the ymgarl part! So I assume that nids accepted the biomass again?

**TiamatRoar**

StarTrotter wrote:
So I read it. I do wish they didn't go for poetry with the ichor blood for Khorne. Khorne not getting emotions can explain it but ichor blood would fuel him if the spilling of blood fills somebody. That or there are probably some xenos races that don't feed him and even some marines that bleed ammo and fuel. So if they continue making books, I'd enjoy a revenge of the 4 daemons striking back at nids but making it far more horrific mwahahaha. The kind where the Imperium really doesn't want either to win. If chaos daemons win hurray the warp breaks out! And if the nids when the climactic battle..... let's just say some nasty gribblies will be crawling out bashing right into an imperial fleet.

The last time that happened in the fluff, the Imperium said "Screw this." and exteriminatus'd the whole thing (they had to send in a bunch of Marines and Grey Knights to retrieve some holy artifacts first, though. Needless to say, the mission was quite hellacious)

**StarTrotter**

Breaking news: First Space Marines to ever retire from duty. Space Marine: I've seen things things you could never believe man!

**TiamatRoar**

StarTrotter wrote:
Breaking news: First Space Marines to ever retire from duty. Space Marine: I've seen things things you could never believe man!

That's very close to what happened, actually. The non-Grey Knights space marines (the Sky Sentinals chapter) submitted to a voluntary mind-wipe afterwards. At least according to the wiki, it was actually due to the horrors they saw (as opposed to having to get mind-wiped because they gained knowledge of the Grey Knights, maybe?). Which would go to show just how horrifically traumatic getting into that mess was if it could make even space marines say "Pass the brain bleach, please."

**StarTrotter**

Yeah grey knights you all can enjoy those memories personally I don't want to be scrubbing my eyes with soap every day *brain bleach*

**clively**

I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

**BrianDavion**

clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

I've noticed a few cases where codexes outright clash with the novels. for example the 6e SM codex says Cassus lead the SM forces at Taris Ultra

**the shrouded lord**

clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

**Mr Morden**

the shrouded lord wrote:
clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

Is that the one about where it begins with the crash landing ? If so IIRC they found an ancient Hive ship but not that the whole galaxy had been invaded before - unless its in the Tau one as not got that one yet.

**the shrouded lord**

I meant the game franchise. There's a book called halo?

**Mr Morden**

the shrouded lord wrote:
I meant the game franchise. There's a book called halo?

Sorry I meant the Cain books - wrong quote I think

**Noctem**

Stormphoenix wrote:
It's pretty poor. Bear in mind I've not read 'Nid fluff since 2nd ed but :

The Tyran invasion is really sketchy and not nearly as good at conveying the sheer scale of a Nid invasion. Was much better in the older versions. Unsure why they changed putting the data codex into space too.

The Hivemind is now much more of a calculating, intelligent being, whereas before it was literally just a term for the Nid superconciousness, that didn't think about much other than eating.

The Swarmlord is a stupid piece of fluff, its meant to be a race of anonymous swarms, there should not be some character that magically gets "reuploaded" every time he died and spawned out again, its stupid. The Nid's don't have a supreme commander, thats the while point, its a hive.

They removed all mention of Nids adapting using DNA from our galaxy (Biovores being made from Orks, Zoanthropes being made from Eldar , Guard being made from Marines), none of these bio-forms are supposed to exist until after the Nids have had a chance to accrue biomass from our galaxy.

They removed the fluff about Genestealer cults emitting a psychic beacon which attracts the Nids. Now they lurk in the sewers and don't do very much. They also fail to mention that Genestealers were around way before the rest of the Nids showed up.

Actually, every single Hive Tyrant and perhaps other synapse creatures get their memory "uploaded", so that's not a stupid piece of fluff heh although having one special Hive Tyrant that gets made differently in dire times is kind of meh.

**Tyran**

the shrouded lord wrote:
clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

What it has to do with Halo?

**CthuluIsSpy**

Tyran wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

What it has to do with Halo?

Iirc, there was a plot element that a long time ago, the galaxy suffered a flood endemic.

However, considering that Black Library (and especially Mitchell - See his portrayal of the SoB) tends to take several "liberties" with the background, that is hardly a credible source of information.

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the shrouded lord wrote:
I meant the game franchise. There's a book called halo?

Yes, actually. There have been some novelizations of the Halo game.

**Tyran**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Iirc, there was a plot element that a long time ago, the galaxy suffered a flood endemic.

However, considering that Black Library (and especially Mitchell - See his portrayal of the SoB) tends to take several "liberties" with the background, that is hardly a credible source of information.

Yes I know that, it is a basic element of Halo's plot. Still the Flood is one thing and the Tyranids are another different thing.

Yes, actually. There have been some novelizations of the Halo game.

There are 11 novels, several short stories, some comics and some videos.

**the shrouded lord**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Tyran wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

What it has to do with Halo?

Iirc, there was a plot element that a long time ago, the galaxy suffered a flood endemic.

However, considering that Black Library (and especially Mitchell - See his portrayal of the SoB) tends to take several "liberties" with the background, that is hardly a credible source of information.

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the shrouded lord wrote:
I meant the game franchise. There's a book called halo?

Yes, actually. There have been some novelizations of the Halo game.

Yes I know, I own several of them including
Halo: fall of reach, halo: evolutions, halo: cole protocol, halo: the Thursday war, halo: contact harvest, halo: glass lands, and halo: primordium, halo: cryptum.

**Kain**

The only major new fluff piece is a battle between the Tyranids and a major Daemonic incursion. The fluff is otherwise rather lazy and I wish they put some more effort into it. But I suppose we can wait for the supplements to start trickling in and providing us with new material.

I also can't really picture how the Hive Crone is in anyway competitive against Star Furies or the like in space.

Those things are 70 meter long (by comparison, Godzilla has, until the new movie, ranged from 50-100 meters in height) bricks with nuclear level firepower and more guns than the entire battle of Britain and you're expecting me to believe that a harpy modification can do diddly to stop them?

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the shrouded lord wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Tyran wrote:
the shrouded lord wrote:
clively wrote:
I think it was the last Cain novel where they claimed to have figured out that the galaxy had been Over run by nids once before.

I was really hoping a blurb about that would have made it into the codex. You'd think GW would have enough control over their own people to keep some of the fluf even halfway straight.

didn't that happen in halo?

What it has to do with Halo?

Iirc, there was a plot element that a long time ago, the galaxy suffered a flood endemic.

However, considering that Black Library (and especially Mitchell - See his portrayal of the SoB) tends to take several "liberties" with the background, that is hardly a credible source of information.

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the shrouded lord wrote:
I meant the game franchise. There's a book called halo?

Yes, actually. There have been some novelizations of the Halo game.

Yes I know, I own several of them including
Halo: fall of reach, halo: evolutions, halo: cole protocol, halo: the Thursday war, halo: contact harvest, halo: glass lands, and halo: primordium, halo: cryptum.

The only Halo books worth reading are the Forerunner saga and a handful of early books. Everything else ranges from poor to inhumanly terrible, If it's written by Traviss, assume it's C.S Goto level scheisse where she gets to spank to her anti-transhumanism boner.

**JeffVimes**

Main change? No mention to Narvhal. And that's a good thing, because it was an idiotic change.

**Kain**

JeffVimes wrote:
Main change? No mention to Narvhal. And that's a good thing, because it was an idiotic change.

Gravitic FTL was actually kind of cool.

**the shrouded lord**

Kain wrote:
JeffVimes wrote:
Main change? No mention to Narvhal. And that's a good thing, because it was an idiotic change.

Gravitic FTL was actually kind of cool.

It was stupid. Fullstop. you see that, full stop. Thats right .<that's a full stop. This is too .
And these .....>

**JeffVimes**

Not even talking about the gravitic FTL, but how are you suppose to invade half the galaxy in 200 years when you rely on a slower than light vessel to travel between systems?
Tyranids going in the warp just make more sense.

**Kain**

JeffVimes wrote:
Not even talking about the gravitic FTL, but how are you suppose to invade half the galaxy in 200 years when you rely on a slower than light vessel to travel between systems?
Tyranids going in the warp just make more sense.

The Narvhal system says that the Tyranids create gravity corridors that let the Tyranids go faster than light. It's slower than warp travel, but it's still faster than light.

What you should really ask is how you mesh the Tau "near light" drives with their timeline which requires FTL all over the damn place.