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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I know I will get pounced on for this but It would be nice to at least restrict the use of automatic weapons for hunting, the area around my farm sometimes sounds like fething normandy landings.

Hunters also love to try and get around private property laws by saying they were "threatened" by a wild animal and "had" to flee into your farmland.

Forgive my ignorance, but how common is it for an automatic weapon to be used when hunting?

According to the Game Wardens I've meet, it's actually rare.

Although, poachers is ALWAYS an issue.

As to OP: Deers are a fething pest where I live. (it's my fault I've moved there I guess). I can't do any landscaping w/o fearing whether or not the deers would eat the plants.

Interestingly... today is the last day of archery Deer hunting in MO. I can just open up my back door and plink a deer right in my yard....

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Not common in other areas, as my uncle is a game warden in colorado and I myself have been hunting before.

In my home area though there's a big overlap of gun "collectors" and "hunters" we find a lot of corpses that were obviously sprayed with bullets in a fashion you would only think an Ork on the waaaghh path would be capable of.

So is it an issue that needs regulation if it is such a small number? Are licenses issued that state automatic weapons may not be used?

There is no state in this country that allows hunting with automatic weapons. Most (maybe all) states won't allow you to hold anymore then 4 bullets in your gun when hunting.

 whembly wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
One problem that can show up with "hunting to supplement food" is the cost of processing the deer. It's something that can be subsidized by the state, but it's something to think about. Maybe give out vouchers for processing together with deer tags.

Processing deer isn't really all that hard to do yourself, and it's a safe bet that most who'd "welfare" hunt would process it themselves.

I know that I've been interested in hunting, but I've never done it so far. So I wouldn't know that much about processing or wouldn't have all the tools needed for it (no way to make ground meat for example). For somebody like me that would be a road block and processing would be helpful.

@Relapse: I can see the "no deer jerky" rule and other rules for "snack" type processing options similar to some WIC restrictions.

Now I'm really confused...

Why couldn't you "jerky" them? Isn't that a good way to stretch out the meat?

My guess is either:

- a nutritional thing (maybe too much salt and stuff)
- making Jerky goes beyond processing the meat (since now you are actually making food, and some WIC programs don't allow for pre-packaged meals and only let you get ingredients)
- Meat has to be turned into a meal (with sides), and Jerky isn't a 'meat dish' (aka: You're not going to have Jerky or potatoes)

Probably a mix of the above though...


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 kronk wrote:
Pony meat is best horse meat.

Edit: That was not an MLP jab...

Horse meat is pretty tasty, and makes for great sausage.

I don't get the taboo here...

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I know I will get pounced on for this but It would be nice to at least restrict the use of automatic weapons for hunting, the area around my farm sometimes sounds like fething normandy landings.

Hunters also love to try and get around private property laws by saying they were "threatened" by a wild animal and "had" to flee into your farmland.

Forgive my ignorance, but how common is it for an automatic weapon to be used when hunting?

According to the Game Wardens I've meet, it's actually rare.

Although, poachers is ALWAYS an issue.

As to OP: Deers are a fething pest where I live. (it's my fault I've moved there I guess). I can't do any landscaping w/o fearing whether or not the deers would eat the plants.

Interestingly... today is the last day of archery Deer hunting in MO. I can just open up my back door and plink a deer right in my yard....

There is a number of things you could do. If you have flowers and plants for scenery, you could spray some cayenne pepper on the plants. Deer will not touch them. If you've got a vegetable garden their messing with, post stakes around it, and tie some plastic bags, or police tape to them. The movement and sound will spook them and keep them away.

 Alexzandvar wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
We have had several pet deaths in the area thanks to overzealous and unregulated hunting.

Its really sad and annoying. Freaked my little brother out after our dog almost got shot.

Yeesh, that's bad.

I know I will get pounced on for this but It would be nice to at least restrict the use of automatic weapons for hunting, the area around my farm sometimes sounds like fething normandy landings.

Hunters also love to try and get around private property laws by saying they were "threatened" by a wild animal and "had" to flee into your farmland.

Hunting with automatic weapons is illegal anywhere I know of. Aside from that, anything shot with one wouldn't be worth eating. If those really are machine guns you hear, you have some truly whacked out individuals stalking about that should be reported.

People have horses for pets, and enjoy riding them, etc. Not a hard taboo to understand, I think. Just like pet owners think eating dogs and cats is taboo.

 djones520 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
I know I will get pounced on for this but It would be nice to at least restrict the use of automatic weapons for hunting, the area around my farm sometimes sounds like fething normandy landings.

Hunters also love to try and get around private property laws by saying they were "threatened" by a wild animal and "had" to flee into your farmland.

Forgive my ignorance, but how common is it for an automatic weapon to be used when hunting?

According to the Game Wardens I've meet, it's actually rare.

Although, poachers is ALWAYS an issue.

As to OP: Deers are a fething pest where I live. (it's my fault I've moved there I guess). I can't do any landscaping w/o fearing whether or not the deers would eat the plants.

Interestingly... today is the last day of archery Deer hunting in MO. I can just open up my back door and plink a deer right in my yard....

There is a number of things you could do. If you have flowers and plants for scenery, you could spray some cayenne pepper on the plants. Deer will not touch them. If you've got a vegetable garden their messing with, post stakes around it, and tie some plastic bags, or police tape to them. The movement and sound will spook them and keep them away.

If you didn't put out so many salt licks...

 kronk wrote:
People have horses for pets, and enjoy riding them, etc. Not a hard taboo to understand, I think. Just like pet owners think eating dogs and cats is taboo.

That's the main drive behind my not wanting to eat horse. In our culture/society, they are a pet. I'd be no more likely to eat horse then I would dogs or domestic cats.

Now I have eaten horse before. Was in a sushi house in Japan and I wasn't paying attention and mistook it for Tuna.

 d-usa wrote:


My guess is either:

- a nutritional thing (maybe too much salt and stuff)
- making Jerky goes beyond processing the meat (since now you are actually making food, and some WIC programs don't allow for pre-packaged meals and only let you get ingredients)
- Meat has to be turned into a meal (with sides), and Jerky isn't a 'meat dish' (aka: You're not going to have Jerky or potatoes)

Probably a mix of the above though...

Hmmm... good point.

I'm in the camp if someone wants to hunt food, especially since they're poor... I wouldn't want anything to stop them.

 Frazzled wrote:
You know an "automatic weapon" is a machine gun right? I've never heard of hunting with a machine gun.

I know what an automatic weapon is. I just doubt very much that they are used in hunting so often that they need to be regulated beyond the current legal position

 djones520 wrote:
There is no state in this country that allows hunting with automatic weapons. Most (maybe all) states won't allow you to hold anymore then 4 bullets in your gun when hunting.

Yeah, that fits in roughly with the little I know about hunting in IN.

Relapse wrote:
Hunting with automatic weapons is illegal anywhere I know of. Aside from that, anything shot with one wouldn't be worth eating. If those really are machine guns you hear, you have some truly whacked out individuals stalking about that should be reported.

And hunting with a firearm on fully automatic strikes me as a great way to waste bullets.


So what I'm hearing is that we need more regulation to make an illegal action, more illegal.

I think he's likely confusing semi-auto with auto actually.

 djones520 wrote:

There is a number of things you could do. If you have flowers and plants for scenery, you could spray some cayenne pepper on the plants. Deer will not touch them. If you've got a vegetable garden their messing with, post stakes around it, and tie some plastic bags, or police tape to them. The movement and sound will spook them and keep them away.

Yeah, my neighbors do that... but, the fething critters/deer always mess them up.

One nieghbor actually built a huge pen just for their garden... ugly assed setup.

I live right next to this place:
http://www.stlouisco.com/ParksandRecreation/ParkPages/SiouxPassage

See this map:
https://maps.google.com/?q=38.860433+-90.273760+(Pelican+Island,+St.+Louis+County,+MO)&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14&ll=38.860433,-90.273760&source=embed
I live next to that big assed Island... the water is shallow on the MO side... that's where we get the "herd".

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

 Alexzandvar wrote:
Not common in other areas, as my uncle is a game warden in colorado and I myself have been hunting before.

In my home area though there's a big overlap of gun "collectors" and "hunters" we find a lot of corpses that were obviously sprayed with bullets in a fashion you would only think an Ork on the waaaghh path would be capable of.

So is it an issue that needs regulation if it is such a small number? Are licenses issued that state automatic weapons may not be used?

I think it just stems more from the fact noone in my area really cares. Sure some people do, but theres a reason were selling that house......

My thoughts on hunting have been spoiled by my old scout buddies. They where the guys who where the kindd to kill and not eat. I remember one of them complaining about his uncle, how made him eat everything he killed and he considered that crazy. Then came the thing I hated the most. They ran up with a giant fish, cool nice catch. They then bash it with a stick, shove a stick in it. Cool eat it, poor fish though. I head to bed, wake up, fish is still there, not eaten. I dont mind hunting, but i hate hunting for pure sport.

See, that line of thinking makes no sense.

"I know people who did it wrong, so I just don't like it."

I mean me personally hunting. Seeing that just put me off it. I dont care if you hunt for food, even if you dont need it. but killing an animal for pure joy and to prove something is just wrong. Hell I still fish from time to time. I just take a pic real quick and throw them bacl

Relapse wrote:
A co worker has a brother who is on welfare in Kentucky or Tennessee, I can't remember which, but the state gives him and others like him that know how to hunt about 12 deer tags a year and lets them begin hunting before deer season.

Who says government can do nothing good? This is an excellent policy. That means the legislators who crafted it will be doomed to obscurity.

 Seaward wrote:
I'm pretty sure we're one of deer's natural predators.

Exalted.

 d-usa wrote:
One problem that can show up with "hunting to supplement food" is the cost of processing the deer.

A lot of folks still know how to do this and do it. I suppose it could be incorporated into a hunter safety courses, too

 d-usa wrote:
So I wouldn't know that much about processing or wouldn't have all the tools needed for it (no way to make ground meat for example).

We used to do it with a simple hand crank grinder.

All you need to process an animal is a good sharp knife really. Pruning shears are also adequate for any bones that need to be cut through(the big ones for cutting small branches)

 Frazzled wrote:
I think he's likely confusing semi-auto with auto actually.

See, I went immediately to "fib."

 Seaward wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
I think he's likely confusing semi-auto with auto actually.

See, I went immediately to "fib."

I can't say that you were the only one with that reaction

@Manchu: those all seem like pretty good solutions. So possibly a course for welfare recipients interested in supplementing with hunting, making sure that they know how to process the animal (testing them and/or training them) and providing them with the basic tools if needed (and maybe a chest-style freezer).

 kronk wrote:
People have horses for pets, and enjoy riding them, etc. Not a hard taboo to understand, I think. Just like pet owners think eating dogs and cats is taboo.

I've had pet dogs and cats for most of my life, I'd still try the meat if I ever got the chance.

Then... you're weird!

 Soladrin wrote:

 kronk wrote:
People have horses for pets, and enjoy riding them, etc. Not a hard taboo to understand, I think. Just like pet owners think eating dogs and cats is taboo.

I've had pet dogs and cats for most of my life, I'd still try the meat if I ever got the chance.

I think if you offered me dog meat I'd pistol whip you for awhile.

People also keep cows for pets...and pigs...

That's dumb. Cow and pig are tasty!

Yep, I'd love to have a pet pig. Doesn't mean I'll stop eating bacon.

Cows as pets, that's just weird though.

 kronk wrote:
That's dumb. Cow and pig are tasty!

My mother-in-law had one of those tiny pet-pigs that would run around the house.

We would always feed it ham and bacon...

 d-usa wrote:

 kronk wrote:
That's dumb. Cow and pig are tasty!

My mother-in-law had one of those tiny pet-pigs that would run around the house.

We would always feed it ham and bacon...

That's not right...

 d-usa wrote:

 kronk wrote:
That's dumb. Cow and pig are tasty!

My mother-in-law had one of those tiny pet-pigs that would run around the house.

We would always feed it ham and bacon...

I wonder if that would concentrate the flavour?