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Apologies mod,

Just take it to vassal and let this become /thread, this is just causing needless arguments and it's not even a YMDC thread

I've played against henchman. They didn't have the firepower to stop my BA from breaking their face. Of course, Tau neuter BA by ignoring all my saves and my cover and doubling me out with Riptides. Eldar neuter me by moving very fast as shooting a huge amount of S6/7 with high accuracy.

I'm pretty sure I could survive the plasma and stormbolters in this list. I've done it before. I usually get two 5+ saves against plasma. Unless, of course, you get some ignore cover in this list.If I were using mech BA, it would be all about killing the space monkeys. Again, I feel like I'd have a shot.

champagne_socialist wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
Ok so it appears you do not even understand how your own army works very well.

Plasma cannons are 20 points (including the guy), and only function well in squads with inquisitors....

Your BS is too low with no way (unless you spend more on psykers) of improving your accuracy, or ignoring cover.

Your models are not durable, so in an attrition war you will lose out.

I would argue (but not post lists)
That the following armies can outshoot you
Orks
Tau
Eldar
IG
Necrons


Essentially you seem to be trying to set up a scenario where no discussion can take place other than people agreeing with you.

nope posts like this are ones that I was looking for rather than army lists. When I said PC were 10 pts I meant they cost 10 pts (as in the weapon).

You named armies that could outshoot me but you have never played against (I'm guessing) a henchmen army so all of your theories on how I would lose are based on nothing.

I do not believe I would be outshot and as I said previously I have won a tournament using a henchmen army.

Have played against, and with Henchmen armies...have beaten them...winning a tournament is meaningless in the larger picture unless it was a large GT. I've won tournaments with lists that (in the large picture) were absolute garbage. What this comes down to is you saying "well I've won with this so obviously it's good, and you guys don't know anything." and the rest of us quoting mathematics, lists, experiences etc...about how in large part it is not better than other armies. Maybe it's a local meta thing....maybe it is that you won a 1k tournament...I cannot say. But even the post you said you were looking for got a response of "you don't know what you are talking about so your opinion/theories don't matter" See my point....your thread reads as...."LOOOK AT MY AWESOME LIST!!!!!! ISN"T IT SUPER AWESOME...NOTHING COULD BE MORE AWESOM!!!!!" "if you disagree get off my thread because you are wrong."

For instance if this thread was....hey look at this list I took to some Big GT and won....here is how I use it and why it works. Here is how I handled y army. It would be meaningful...but the thread asks a question about could this list outshoot other armies....and mathematically if other armies build super shooty lists....is NO.

Poly Ranger wrote:
Psykers test on ld 10 with an attached inquisitor. A st 8 ap1 large blast for 60pts is pretty snazzy tbf. Even at its lowest end the 7/12 chance of a st3 ap6 large blast for 10pts is a bargin! Psychic barrage is a very nice weapon if used correctly.

Actually, no, they don't. Check page 34 ("Brotherhood of Psykers") and page 67 ("Psychic Test") in your 40k rulebook. Psykers (or brotherhoods thereof) can never use an attached IC's LD for psychic tests.

Regardless, if it's pie plates you want, there are much better ways to get them. A Vindicator costs only 125 points for a S10 AP2 large blast, which sounds worse until you factor in the psykers failing their test 27.78% of the time, actually self-destructing 5.56% of the time, and being BS3 rather than BS4.

Breng77 wrote:

champagne_socialist wrote:

Breng77 wrote:
Ok so it appears you do not even understand how your own army works very well.

Plasma cannons are 20 points (including the guy), and only function well in squads with inquisitors....

Your BS is too low with no way (unless you spend more on psykers) of improving your accuracy, or ignoring cover.

Your models are not durable, so in an attrition war you will lose out.

I would argue (but not post lists)
That the following armies can outshoot you
Orks
Tau
Eldar
IG
Necrons


Essentially you seem to be trying to set up a scenario where no discussion can take place other than people agreeing with you.

nope posts like this are ones that I was looking for rather than army lists. When I said PC were 10 pts I meant they cost 10 pts (as in the weapon).

You named armies that could outshoot me but you have never played against (I'm guessing) a henchmen army so all of your theories on how I would lose are based on nothing.

I do not believe I would be outshot and as I said previously I have won a tournament using a henchmen army.

Have played against, and with Henchmen armies...have beaten them...winning a tournament is meaningless in the larger picture unless it was a large GT. I've won tournaments with lists that (in the large picture) were absolute garbage. What this comes down to is you saying "well I've won with this so obviously it's good, and you guys don't know anything." and the rest of us quoting mathematics, lists, experiences etc...about how in large part it is not better than other armies. Maybe it's a local meta thing....maybe it is that you won a 1k tournament...I cannot say. But even the post you said you were looking for got a response of "you don't know what you are talking about so your opinion/theories don't matter" See my point....your thread reads as...."LOOOK AT MY AWESOME LIST!!!!!! ISN"T IT SUPER AWESOME...NOTHING COULD BE MORE AWESOM!!!!!" "if you disagree get off my thread because you are wrong."

For instance if this thread was....hey look at this list I took to some Big GT and won....here is how I use it and why it works. Here is how I handled y army. It would be meaningful...but the thread asks a question about could this list outshoot other armies....and mathematically if other armies build super shooty lists....is NO.

How many times do I need to repeat myself that I believe it can outshoot other armies, why are yous till posting the same nonsense over and over again? I heard you the first time, I disagree with you so get over it and stop repeating yourself.

Point Proven....I'm out

If you're not prepared to take the time to read the perfectly valid contributions from other users then the thread serves no purpose.