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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 03:13:59
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The price is insane. Recently I found myself happy that I got Tyrant guard kit used for 40$ equivalent, how broken in you have to be to think like that.
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tyrannosaurus wrote:The GW Knight blows PP, Dreamforge, and Tamiya out of the water in my opinion. Very subjective obviously, but the GW is a far superior kit to everything else that is out there, and for a comparable price. I'll buy at least one, from a discounter, S0 yes £85 is too much for me, but why would anyone buy direct from GW?
Yes people bash GW for their best models in the world claims but when it comes to their plastics it is actualy truth. Those are first and foremost solid, take dust tacics model in hand you could smash it with little pressure but GW kits are resistant, detailed and ooze quality.
Still, the prices are nuts, other companies just ride on the insanity.
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From the initial Age of Sigmar news thread, when its "feature" list was first confirmed:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
It's like a train wreck. But one made from two circus trains colliding.
A collosal, terrible, flaming, hysterical train wreck with burning clowns running around spraying it with seltzer bottles while ring masters cry out how everything is fine and we should all come in while the dancing elephants lurch around leaving trails of blood behind them.
How could I look away?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 04:25:26
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Stalwart Space Marine
Squamish BC
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PrehistoricUFO wrote:I feel the kit is worth it. I can get it for $137.00 CAD, which is 74 GBP. Considering the size of the kit, the weapons, and the amount of detail, and most importantly the amount of time I'll sink into it, makes it well worth the cost. Can't wait to paint this bitch.
Please share where you can get it for 137, all i see on GW website is 170, and it'll be a very very long time before i pay that much
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Nearly 3k and Counting
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 04:59:01
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Loopstah wrote:Nice looking mecha, looks nothing remotely like something belonging in 40K though.
We'll differ on that opinion. The same might be said for the riptide and wraith knight as they would fit well with many manga/anime themes....
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Six mistakes mankind keeps making century after century: Believing that personal gain is made by crushing others; Worrying about things that cannot be changed or corrected; Insisting that a thing is impossible because we cannot accomplish it; Refusing to set aside trivial preferences; Neglecting development and refinement of the mind; Attempting to compel others to believe and live as we do |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 05:31:25
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Powerful Pegasus Knight
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It’s hard to say if the Imperial Knight is worth it or not. I really want one so I am going to buy it. I don’t have a so called disposable income, and I’m no GW fan boy anymore. I know I can get cheaper models elsewhere, but I really like the way GW models look and go together. So in that way I think it’s worth it. On the other hand, I think I get more out of a Baneblade or Shadow sword kit than I do with the Imperial Knight. I like tanks a lot more and would buy a new tank any day. Plus the Baneblade kit is cheaper so I don’t think the IK kit is worth the extra money.
All hobbies are expensive, some are cheaper than others, and some are way more overpriced. For me, I would rather pay the slightly higher price to get something of the same style and brand as my other models so they all look uniform.
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"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 06:33:05
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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I'm still not certain why it's $35US more than the Wraithknight, other than an excuse to price things higher.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 06:56:02
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
Adelaide, South Australia
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Because it costs more points and comes with lots stickers?
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Ailaros wrote:You know what really bugs me? When my opponent, before they show up at the FLGS smears themselves in peanut butter and then makes blood sacrifices to Ashterai by slitting the throat of three male chickens and then smears the spatter pattern into the peanut butter to engrave sacred symbols into their chest and upper arms.
I have a peanut allergy. It's really inconsiderate.
"Long ago in a distant land, I, M'kar, the shape-shifting Master of Chaos, unleashed an unspeakable evil! But a foolish Grey Knight warrior wielding a magic sword stepped forth to oppose me. Before the final blow was struck, I tore open a portal in space and flung him into the Warp, where my evil is law! Now the fool seeks to return to real-space, and undo the evil that is Chaos!" |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 07:50:43
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Using Inks and Washes
St. George, Utah
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140 - 115 = 25. It's $25 dollars more expensive than a wraithknight.
People have said several things that weren't 25 when talking the price difference between the two and I just thought I'd clarify.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 08:07:32
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Argh, dangit!
*makes Kirk fist*
Maaaaaath!
For some reason I keep thinking $150 instead of $140.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 19:48:50
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Gundam model kits come with lots of stickers and cost a lot less. And they are multicolour moulded so they don't need to be painted.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 19:55:33
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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There needs to be an "indifferent" option. Is it too much? Entirely relative. I'm going to buy 1, maybe 2. If they were only 60 pounds (or the Australian equivalent), I'd definitely buy 2 and maybe 3.
So, on the one hand, yes, they are too much, because I'd buy more if they were cheaper. On the other hand, no, because I'm still buying one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:10:31
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Heh if you were "indifferent" i don't think you would bother replying to the poll, i did say its interesting to hear people's opinions rather than just a poll.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:18:02
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Never said I was indifferent to the discussion of the price  Just there's a few more shades of grey than "yes" and "no".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:18:41
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Avatar of the Bloody-Handed God
Inside your mind, corrupting the pathways
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Yes. £40 would be closer to the mark.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:27:03
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
The Ruins of the Boston Commonwealth
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I want to see the actual size of the thing before I pass judgement
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:33:40
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
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GW pay pennies for each sprue (around 2-5 pence depending on the size per sprue) so if you look at it that way all of the kits are absurdly priced... But yeah £50 would be more reasonable
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1000 points 80% painted
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:39:04
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Fixture of Dakka
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Is spending a $1000 a year on coffee expensive? How about a few thousand on smokes? Another grand on alcohol or what not.
So we can say about $3000 a year we just eat, drink and piss away. Is it worth it? They are one time use and can be without, but yet we still buy those $5 or $7 coffee from Starbucks and what not.
It's all to the individual person. Said it before, will say it again, we pay $100 for something that basically costs GW $1. (or maybe not the exact price but something like that. Only if GW didn't piss away all that money on legal costs.  )
So we are already paying too much, even if you buy discount you are still overpaying it.
For me, $170 Canadian, do I get this, or get the Tyranid Horde box? 1 mini compared to 90 or so. Now for me, that is where the value lies.
Reason I want one, is it's Battletech (the one with the real Warhammer  ) got me into 40K. So this would be the closet thing I can use that would give me the Battletech feel to 40K that I wished for, for so long.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 20:46:16
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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The Daemon Possessing Fulgrim's Body
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Greenwingf_ftw wrote:GW pay pennies for each sprue (around 2-5 pence depending on the size per sprue) so if you look at it that way all of the kits are absurdly priced... But yeah £50 would be more reasonable
No, they don't.
The cost of the plastic in each sprue is probably in that ball park (but likely higher) but those aren't the only associated costs with manufacturing a model.
The true cost, using GW's own financial report to calculate it, is around £19-20.
Given that, and conventional wisdom in retail is to try and double your money, the likely "correct" cost would be £50 after VAT, I suspect it isn't entirely coincidence that that is the figure you feel would be more reasonable.
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 21:06:17
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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I like the offer on the GW website. But one for £85, but five for £425. That's five for only the price of five!
Seriously GW, reward some loyalty. Someone shelling out hundreds on preorders deserves some sort of discount. Why should people order from GW at all when independent retailers will offer a discount? Unless they're likely to suffer 'supply shortages' come release day.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 21:23:51
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Using Inks and Washes
St. George, Utah
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@Howard: God yeah, hahaha. The "one click collection bundles" are such a joke. The first time I saw one I thought "oh cool GW providing bundle discounts!" Then I added everything up individually and it was the exact same price.
It's such a useless addition to a webstore! "For the price of our models, you can buy all our models with ONE click fo a button instead of having to get everything for the exact same price but you pick what you want instead!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 21:58:14
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/23 22:55:01
Subject: Re:Is £85 too much.
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Fixture of Dakka
West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA
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Is spending a $1000 a year on coffee expensive? How about a few thousand on smokes? Another grand on alcohol or what not.
So we can say about $3000 a year we just eat, drink and piss away. Is it worth it? They are one time use and can be without, but yet we still buy those $5 or $7 coffee from Starbucks and what not.
It's all to the individual person. Said it before, will say it again, we pay $100 for something that basically costs GW $1. (or maybe not the exact price but something like that. Only if GW didn't piss away all that money on legal costs. )
Unfortunately the same logic lets people pay $75US for a Land Raider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/24 10:13:15
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Sneaky Lictor
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SRSFACE wrote:@Howard: God yeah, hahaha. The "one click collection bundles" are such a joke. The first time I saw one I thought "oh cool GW providing bundle discounts!" Then I added everything up individually and it was the exact same price.
It's such a useless addition to a webstore! "For the price of our models, you can buy all our models with ONE click fo a button instead of having to get everything for the exact same price but you pick what you want instead!"
I think it's perfectly reasonable. They're saving people the time of clicking buy multiple times.
GW is as evil as Tesco i tell ya.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/24 11:11:48
Subject: Is £85 too much.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Howard A Treesong wrote:I like the offer on the GW website. But one for £85, but five for £425. That's five for only the price of five! To be fair, on that one you do get something - some pieces of artwork, which they (assuming its the A4 pieces you find in WHW) usually sell for £10+ each. So its something Howard A Treesong wrote:Seriously GW, reward some loyalty. Someone shelling out hundreds on preorders deserves some sort of discount. Why should people order from GW at all when independent retailers will offer a discount? Unless they're likely to suffer 'supply shortages' come release day.
Deserves, yes. Are GW allowed to discount? No*. The old M& MC (think its now competition commission) found, in the late 90s, that they held a dominant position in the market, and cannot therefore discount goods they themselves sell - stops them putting smaller entities in trouble by discounting below the price they sell wholesale, which given they can double dip the margin is entirely possible (and used to happen) *Whether that ruling would / should still hold or not is another matter. They CAN create a new SKU which is 5 (or 3) Knights and sell that cheaper than buying them individually, but that is generally not worth their time and money to do - you then have logistics issues etc, to deal with. I did try to find this ruling about 3 years ago, but the information around on the net from that period is woeful.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/24 14:15:05
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Interestingly, GW changed the knight entry on the site.
Apparently they are 6" tall now instead of 8"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/02/24 17:43:43
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Prophetic Blood Angel Librarian
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What I always fail to understand with GW is why does the boxed set of 3 knights cost 3x more and why does the boxed set of 5 cost 5x more? Its the same with almost all apocolypse formations. They refuse to even give a pound in savings.
Where is the incentive to get more in one go? Get one. See if you like it. Get another if you do... Absolutely no reason to get three at once. Bad business sense! Imagine if a bar sold a treble vodka and mixer for £4 but had a deal for 3 for £12... where is the incentive to buy 3 at once? Its ridiculous. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sorry - already been mentioned...
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