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 hiveof_chimera wrote:
You've got a couple of marines hiding behind a wall hoping for their cover save, you have no anti deathstar power (seerstar, screamerstar) but you should be protected from the likes of heldrakes. Anyway good luck, remember to have fun

Why is Screamer star or Seerstar the one brought up? Neither are anywhere near as dangerous in terms of output as a farsight bomb, they're just a lot harder to kill.

Waaaghpower wrote:

Nevzara wrote:

Waaaghpower wrote:

Nevzara wrote:
I'd play a Necron gunline and drop pie-plates on your defense line form 72 inchs away while sending out full warrior squads to capture objectives. That way I can keep your troops in hiding whilst still hitting your Rune Priest.

What gun do Necrons have with 72" range and large blast? What is it mounted on? What is the Strength, and AP? Is it barrage? Does it ignore cover?

The Doomsday ark; st9 ap1 large blast with AV13 all round. It's not barrage and doesn't ignore cover.

Doomsday Arks are 11/11/11 with Quantum Shielding, not 13/13/13.
Either way: Meltaguns in pods. Short Work made of.

koooaei: Exactly the kind of advice I'm looking for, thanks.

I dont think quantum shielding works on the back armor either does it?

An Aegis Lascannon with Nightspear at the turret. S:9 AP: 2, I place the shots. Unless those HQ's have EW, they'll be mincemeat. That'll also give me a solid counter to the incoming StormRaven. Aside from that, regular anti Speece Mahreen tactics. Two Fire Prisms w/Holofields dropping their pie plates every turn on your Castle, and shoot drop pod units as soon as possible to minimize their damage capability.

You've got a fairly solid anvil with those Long Fangs, Psykers, and Scouts, but you're relying on three sets of 10 guys with 2 meltaguns to be your hammer. You need something with more hitting power. I'd suggest a Battle Leader with outflank and a team of Wolf Guard Terminators to go put some hurt on the enemy.

 Will1541 wrote:
An Aegis Lascannon with Nightspear at the turret. S:9 AP: 2, I place the shots. Unless those HQ's have EW, they'll be mincemeat. That'll also give me a solid counter to the incoming StormRaven. Aside from that, regular anti Speece Mahreen tactics. Two Fire Prisms w/Holofields dropping their pie plates every turn on your Castle, and shoot drop pod units as soon as possible to minimize their damage capability.

You've got a fairly solid anvil with those Long Fangs, Psykers, and Scouts, but you're relying on three sets of 10 guys with 2 meltaguns to be your hammer. You need something with more hitting power. I'd suggest a Battle Leader with outflank and a team of Wolf Guard Terminators to go put some hurt on the enemy.

With 2+ LOS And 4+ Cover, I'm not particularly worried about a simgle shot sniping my characters.

Why use the WGBL to Outflank when I could buy a Drop Pod for literally half the points?

220 sorry, It was a typo. I just cant justify spending 430 points on something that gets glanced to death by bolters.

Edit: BAD AT MATH

It.....cant

OOPS. well fire warriors would, and they have a 30" range to your 36"

No, fire warriors couldn't. S5 to AV12. And even is they could glance it there is still the 4++.

Okay, taking all your advice into account and adding some modifications, how is this list?

Skyshield Landing Pad

Coteaz

Hereticus Inquisitor - Power Armor,Psycollum, Mastery Level 1, 3 Servo Skulls

2 Rune Priests - Terminator Armor

Wolf Guard - 1 Terminator w/ CML, 5 Power Armor w/ 5 Combi-Flamers and 3 Combi-Meltas

3 units of 10 Grey Hunters, Drop Pod, 2 Meltaguns

3 units of 2 Hyperios Air Defense Batteries

6 Long Fangs w/ Missile Launchers

6 Long Fangs w/ Plasma Cannons


Will this do any better? The Hyperios add a lot of AA to make up for losing the Stormraven and Icarus Lascannon, the Wolf Guard form a retinue for the Rune Priests (If they want to Deep Strike,) and the Skyshield gives much better protection.

That looks pretty good.

2 inquisitors with conversion beamers and divinations in seperate units but inside the same imperial bastion with 3 exorcists sitting out front being buffed with prescience, jokearo weaponsmiths and daemon hosts in both units, that would be my main chunk, the other being an imperial knight errant running at you to force you to choose to shoot 1 nasty thing to kill it quick while leaving you open to the other nasty thing providing the same issue.

I think i could give that list a run for its money, but i have to say, that is a really nice list. No overpower in it, but just an incredibly nice well rounded list.

 QuincyMontenegro wrote:
2 inquisitors with conversion beamers and divinations in seperate units but inside the same imperial bastion with 3 exorcists sitting out front being buffed with prescience, jokearo weaponsmiths and daemon hosts in both units, that would be my main chunk, the other being an imperial knight errant running at you to force you to choose to shoot 1 nasty thing to kill it quick while leaving you open to the other nasty thing providing the same issue.

I think i could give that list a run for its money, but i have to say, that is a really nice list. No overpower in it, but just an incredibly nice well rounded list.

That seems like it'd be a bit of a challenge, but not a major threat. Turn one, I can cause a pretty big threat to the Knight *And* the Bastion, (3 Combi-Meltas behind the Knight, 13 S8 and 5 S7, all of which is twin linked, in front of it, so you have to lose your Invuln against something,) and I can very easily kill the Bastion too. (Each Meltagun has about a 2/5ths chance to hit, and a 50/50 to blow the building up.) More importantly, every single pen I get is causing AT LEAST D6 S6 hits against both squads. Allocated Randomly. That will ID your Inquisitors, and both Jaekaro and Daemonhosts have crappy armor. 9 or 10 hits on each squad would be devestating.

And, I really don't care about the Exorcists. An average of 5 dead marines per turn, (Assuming no cover) really isn't anything to write home about. Against light tanks or MCs they are great, but my entire army is easy infantry.

A nice cozy squad of dark reapers sitting 48" away with a Tau-Dar buff commander giving them twin-link and ignore cover would turn by turn remove your army. If you fire at it the Commander will be tanking wounds on 2+ / 4++ / 5+ fnp on 4 wounds. This is what I run. It makes jelly out of long fangs squads. You need invul saves.

 CorpseCommander wrote:
A nice cozy squad of dark reapers sitting 48" away with a Tau-Dar buff commander giving them twin-link and ignore cover would turn by turn remove your army. If you fire at it the Commander will be tanking wounds on 2+ / 4++ / 5+ fnp on 4 wounds. This is what I run. It makes jelly out of long fangs squads. You need invul saves.

Dark Reapers are fragile and expensive, and easily flanked by 2 Squads of Grey Hunters. Or my Wolf Guard, whom with flamers will devestate you. (Even with your 3+ armor, you're only T3 and I can force lots of saves.)

Its one unit. They have 3+ armor. If you thing your getting through 4 wounds at T5 2+ and FNP your silly. Thats the tank of a buffmander. But its common to see uneducated players underestimate a reaper unit. They will simply return fire and remove your 10 man marine squad. Ive been playing with reapers a LONG time.

Waaaghpower wrote:

 Will1541 wrote:
An Aegis Lascannon with Nightspear at the turret. S:9 AP: 2, I place the shots. Unless those HQ's have EW, they'll be mincemeat. That'll also give me a solid counter to the incoming StormRaven. Aside from that, regular anti Speece Mahreen tactics. Two Fire Prisms w/Holofields dropping their pie plates every turn on your Castle, and shoot drop pod units as soon as possible to minimize their damage capability.

You've got a fairly solid anvil with those Long Fangs, Psykers, and Scouts, but you're relying on three sets of 10 guys with 2 meltaguns to be your hammer. You need something with more hitting power. I'd suggest a Battle Leader with outflank and a team of Wolf Guard Terminators to go put some hurt on the enemy.

With 2+ LOS And 4+ Cover, I'm not particularly worried about a simgle shot sniping my characters.

Why use the WGBL to Outflank when I could buy a Drop Pod for literally half the points?

Foremost, cool little FAQ about Illic Nightspear (and Vindicare Assassin) since we allocate the wounds, it ignores LOS because even if you move the wound, we move it back. As for the outflanking,
1) I wasn't aware you could drop pod terminators, and
2) I like outflank better, no chance of mishaps and less random in placement.