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 Troike wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
What? The digital codex was an iBooks best seller? No, that must be a mistake. No one's interested.

I think you're laying it on a tad too thick with the cynicism, bud. I think it's highly doubtful that GW is going to ignore sales out of some sort of spite. This is definitely something in favour of the Sisters, it ain't all bad.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

I would like to see Sisters, also Adeptus Arbites, and many other Imperial Agents. I just don't think it's likely.

In an Ideal world, I would love to see some specialist FW Imperial Agents Books, with rules for Rogue Traders with massive Retinues. To be Honest if I was a Rogue Trader - I would have a ship with it's own Airforce, Company of Mercs and drop ships, Rhino's, Xeno Tech etc etc. I would be a One man Military dictator out on the fringes, defending my interests and running my own little empire and two fingers to everyone.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Now I'm looking at late 2015 at the soonest I can expect it.

I'm kinda relieved, in a way. I'm damn slow at painting models up. If there was a model update before I finished painting my Order, is have to but the new plastics and the models wouldn't be consistent.

Yes, because Necrons never got popular in 5th when they weren't as good as they are now, and Dark Eldar weren't as popular because they never became OP....

Seriously Johnnytorrance, I think you're underestimating the public's ability to get behind an army they like and support it as long as it's playable.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
What? The digital codex was an iBooks best seller? No, that must be a mistake. No one's interested.

I think you're laying it on a tad too thick with the cynicism, bud. I think it's highly doubtful that GW is going to ignore sales out of some sort of spite. This is definitely something in favour of the Sisters, it ain't all bad.

I would LOVE to be proved wrong.

I'm not saying that you're entirely unjustified in taking a less optimistic outlook. Just no need to see bad news where there is none.

 Troike wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Now I'm looking at late 2015 at the soonest I can expect it.

I'm kinda relieved, in a way. I'm damn slow at painting models up. If there was a model update before I finished painting my Order, is have to but the new plastics and the models wouldn't be consistent.

We get plastics and I'm buying a whole new 3k+ army of Sisters and using the metal ones for beefing out my Army for Apoc Games.

 MWHistorian wrote:
Is making a paper copy of the SOB codex "jumping back into it?" I know pressing the "print" button is hard work. Gotta give them a year for that project. GW does love the "Ctrl C, Ctrl P" buttons though.

do you actually know how the print environment works, its sure as hell isn't just hitting a big red shiny print button, and with some of their latest artwork in the codex's although I've not looked closely enough at them, i wouldn't be surprised if they printed the images stochastic.

Also the time taken from the artworkers creating the codes, to making it print ready on a codex would take more then a few mins, mostly likely a few days work just in getting it print ready. ( and before you ask, no the codex's are not created in word)

cammy wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:
Is making a paper copy of the SOB codex "jumping back into it?" I know pressing the "print" button is hard work. Gotta give them a year for that project. GW does love the "Ctrl C, Ctrl P" buttons though.

do you actually know how the print environment works, its sure as hell isn't just hitting a big red shiny print button, and with some of their latest artwork in the codex's although I've not looked closely enough at them, i wouldn't be surprised if they printed the images stochastic.

Also the time taken from the artworkers creating the codes, to making it print ready on a codex would take more then a few mins, mostly likely a few days work just in getting it print ready. ( and before you ask, no the codex's are not created in word)

I was using hyberbole. Yes, I know how the print world works. I'm a published author. What I'm saying is that GW has shown the ability to release paper versions of codexes in the past and also a slight jab at how minor supplements get printed versions and this codex does not. My point was: if they wanted to, they would have. But they don't want to.

It's an un-funny, sarcastic sense of humor I have, but it was still meant to be a joke. Don't take everything so literal.

sorry - I don't normally take things so literally -I work as a Print specialist for an insurance company so i work a lot with print houses, print management and paper merchants and the such i just get tetchy, as it annoys me when the marketers in the company still think we just print things on a giant office printer somewhere!

cammy wrote:
sorry - I don't normally take things so literally -I work as a Print specialist for an insurance company so i work a lot with print houses, print management and paper merchants and the such i just get tetchy, as it annoys me when the marketers in the company still think we just print things on a giant office printer somewhere!

Ah, understood. I get that way about certain things as well. We all have our "pet peeve buttons."

 MWHistorian wrote:

cammy wrote:
sorry - I don't normally take things so literally -I work as a Print specialist for an insurance company so i work a lot with print houses, print management and paper merchants and the such i just get tetchy, as it annoys me when the marketers in the company still think we just print things on a giant office printer somewhere!

Ah, understood. I get that way about certain things as well. We all have our "pet peeve buttons."

No problems! - Any way back to the topic - I would prefer not to have SOB as a FW army.

My preferance would be for 40k as a whole to be trimmed back to some more core books and then have suppliments from there.

In an ideal world i would love to see (obviosuyl not with better names)

Codex: Eldar - containing Eldar, Exodites, Harelquins, DE and Craftworld Eldar
Codex Inquisition - containing GK, SOB, Inquisitiors, assasins
Codex Adaptus Mechanicus - containing, Skittari, Knight Titans,
Codex Imperial Armies - SM, Guard
Codex Chaos - Chaos Daemons, Chaos SM, traitor guard
Codex Tau Empire - Tau, Kroot, indoctrinated humans and other various tau empire supporting casts
Codex Necrons
Codex Nids
Codex Orks

and apologies if I have forgotten any other army! and im sure someone else would proberbly be able to group them better, but you see the idea. I loved being able to have the option for inquisitors and ST in my SOB army even if i didn't use them much, i felt it added another dimention of flavour to them, other than being nuns with guns

SOB aren't part of the Inquisition and shouldn't be lumped in with them.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
They've had "studio support" (we got to see Cruddace's half complete army! -_-) , but that doesn't mean the actual decision makers care about them.

It's not Cruddace that I'm talking about for "Studio Support". Needless to say that he's not a lone individual in the army's corner and the response I got was that there is a feeling that the setting (if not the game) needs more female protagonists than it currently has. So there is support, even if it's just along the lines of "we need more awesome chicks doing awesome stuff".

 streamdragon wrote:
I'm reminded sharply of the exec who "has a personal vendetta with Genestealers" or somesuch. I can imagine that the studio is all about them, but that doesn't mean the number cruncher isn't sitting there going "little boys won't buy these, we won't make as much as if we update (insert other army here)".

And that's possible.

Sorry, I guess my cynicism and sarcasm weren't clear. When Cruddace wrote the White Dwarf Dex, they did a feature on his "army". His incomplete, half painted and marginally playable army. It basically showcased to some, myself included, how little SoB seemed to matter to GW that they couldn't even use the painted studio army for the SoB showcase.

Edit: Believe me, I'd be exstatic to see updated models and more "awesome chicks doing awesome stuff". I bought up a couple hundred bucks of Escher to convert to Inquisitorial Stormtroopers all to get that theme. Part of why "Codex: PRIESTS (and some chicks)", as I call it, annoyed my like it did.

I'd vote against FW taking over SOB. Then you'd get people saying "No FW stuff!" And there'd be no end to the debate of SOB were legal or not.

 streamdragon wrote:
Sorry, I guess my cynicism and sarcasm weren't clear. When Cruddace wrote the White Dwarf Dex, they did a feature on his "army". His incomplete, half painted and marginally playable army. It basically showcased to some, myself included, how little SoB seemed to matter to GW that they couldn't even use the painted studio army for the SoB showcase.

That was also about the time they started using personal armies and not studio armies or the battle reports IIRC. But yes, I know Cruddace didn't really relay the love that we were hoping for, that's why I mentioned that the support I was referring to wasn't him .

 streamdragon wrote:
Edit: Believe me, I'd be exstatic to see updated models and more "awesome chicks doing awesome stuff". I bought up a couple hundred bucks of Escher to convert to Inquisitorial Stormtroopers all to get that theme. Part of why "Codex: PRIESTS (and some chicks)", as I call it, annoyed my like it did.

I think a lot of players would be in that boat honestly. I don't know too many people so hateful towards women to not want to see more cool female characters instead of the stag party the game tends ot be.

This does make me laugh.
GW has a ton of "instant cash" things floating about.

The knight was one of these.
Sisters, IMO, will sell even better than that.

I finally gave in and went for a sisters army, but GW had pulled alot from the sight at the time, so i decided to wait.
Units then hit £50 each so ive ignored it.

If GW were to release them even as a plastic version of the current ones (or a more reasonable price) i would happily splash out for a 2,000 point army.


I just find it funny that GW try to milk money from people, yet they have great ways of doing so that would also make people happy and they miss them.
They dont seem to see they have a ton of profit sat there waiting.

FW was a good example of this with the pre-heresy armour they started.
The day it was released they had severe issues keeping up with demand, and they still struggle now from time to time.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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And Dark Eldar suffered that fate but with their last codex before the current one being from second edition and they actually became pretty popular for a bit in 5th. So popular that they actually got a second wave of models almost immediately instead of a year or so later.

Sorry for being that guy and not contributing anything of substance to the discussion, but if couldn't let I go past withou comment.

Dark Eldar didn't exist in second edition, they were introduced with third.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
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And Dark Eldar suffered that fate but with their last codex before the current one being from second edition and they actually became pretty popular for a bit in 5th. So popular that they actually got a second wave of models almost immediately instead of a year or so later.

Sorry for being that guy and not contributing anything of substance to the discussion, but if couldn't let I go past withou comment.

Dark Eldar didn't exist in second edition, they were introduced with third.

Well than I was misinformed. Still doesn't change things too much, they were unloved and all metal and did well after being updated.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Well than I was misinformed. Still doesn't change things too much, they were unloved and all metal and did well after being updated.

Absolutely, your point remains the same!

Which is why I apologise for being such a nerd as to correct you...

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Well than I was misinformed. Still doesn't change things too much, they were unloved and all metal and did well after being updated.

Absolutely, your point remains the same!

Which is why I apologise for being such a nerd as to correct you...

No harm, no foul. Besides, I learned something thanks to that!

 ClockworkZion wrote:


And how long ago was the last Finecast model released? I think it was with the Tau codex if I'm remember correctly?
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Unless the tau were released last month(which it wasn't) then no.(The hobbit gundabad orcs and a few others models.)

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:


And how long ago was the last Finecast model released? I think it was with the Tau codex if I'm remember correctly?
.

Unless the tau were released last month(which it wasn't) then no.(The hobbit gundabad orcs and a few others models.)

I meant for 40k as the Hobbit seems to be doing it's own weird thing.

 MWHistorian wrote:
GW does love the "Ctrl C, Ctrl P" buttons though.

Ctrl+P ? Not Ctrl+V ?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Which frankly I think sucks a little because I wanted to see it come out late 2014.

Really, you did ? Oh you, so hopelessly optimist !
I expect them go come out in the thirties.

Johnnytorrance wrote:
Even if there were plastic models, unless it was OP like Tau and elder, it would still most likely be the least played army.

Well, when they will release new model, we will see if you were right. So we will never know. Hence I bet one billion dollar that they will be extremely popular .

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Seriously Johnnytorrance, I think you're underestimating the public's ability to get behind an army they like and support it as long as it's playable.

No, he just think people do not like Sisters of Battle. Because men do not like to play an army of women. Because gender ! If you play Sisters, you must be a “mangina” (yeah, they made worse than feminazi; look for the definition of this word on the internet and despair !).

 MWHistorian wrote:
I'd vote against FW taking over SOB. Then you'd get people saying "No FW stuff!" And there'd be no end to the debate of SOB were legal or not.

Well, in France there are a bunch of tournament that ban stuff that has not been released in French. And, afaik, ALL of them have made an exception for Sisters of Battle, because… well, because contrary to GW, they do not want to be TFG. I am pretty confident that it would be the same if they went over to Forgeworld.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Well than I was misinformed. Still doesn't change things too much, they were unloved and all metal and did well after being updated.

You are still wrong . Dark Eldar had plastics. Actually, the third edition starter box included a bunch of plastic dark eldar warriors. You can see pictures of the box and of the unassembled models here :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40-000-Starter-Set-1998-Unpunched-w-extras-Marines-Dark-Eldar-40k-/121311640835?pt=Games_US&hash=item1c3ebcbd03
The trees are all long dead now, but those ruins are still pretty popular at my FLGS !

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I expect them go come out in the thirties.

I expect them to come out on fire and covered with manure, but I still expected them to come out.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
No, he just think people do not like Sisters of Battle. Because men do not like to play an army of women. Because gender ! If you play Sisters, you must be a “mangina” (yeah, they made worse than feminazi; look for the definition of this word on the internet and despair !).

I don't know, carrying that army is a good work out.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
You are still wrong . Dark Eldar had plastics. Actually, the third edition starter box included a bunch of plastic dark eldar warriors. You can see pictures of the box and of the unassembled models here :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-40-000-Starter-Set-1998-Unpunched-w-extras-Marines-Dark-Eldar-40k-/121311640835?pt=Games_US&hash=item1c3ebcbd03
The trees are all long dead now, but those ruins are still pretty popular at my FLGS !

And Sisters have a plastic tank.

Still doesn't change Dark Eldar being a mostly metal army that sat unloved until 2011.