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This needs to be investigated and fixed

the Ocala News (Florida) reported that a seventh VA office in Gainesville had discovered a secret wait list that had 200 veterans waiting for medical care.
Three mental health administrators at the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville have been placed on administrative leave after U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs officials found a “secret” waiting list of more than 200 patients, a local union president said Thursday. …

News recently surfaced of alleged secret waiting lists and falsified records at VA hospitals around the country, including reports of allegations that some veterans on such a list at the Veterans Affairs Health Care system in Phoenix had died while waiting for appointments. Reports have said the secret waiting lists were meant to hide delays and could have been used so management executives could get bonuses related to shorter wait times.

Muriel Newman, union president for the local chapter of the American Federation of Government Employees, told The Sun that the VA administration had placed chief psychiatrist Dr. Rajiv Tandon, administrative officer Karen Chin and Peter Durand, the chief of the mental health service call line, on administrative leave after the discovery of the list at the Gainesville VA hospital.

Wisnieski confirmed those three employees have been placed on paid administrative leave while a review is conducted into the list and the circumstances surrounding it.



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Let me guess, this was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati branch.... oh wait, wrong scandal.

 
   
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Well... the first head to roll is:

Top U.S. veterans' health care official resigns amid scandal
...
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki said he accepted the resignation of his top health official on Friday, a day after the two testified before Congress about a growing scandal over deadly healthcare delays for veterans.

“Today, I accepted the resignation of Dr. Robert Petzel, undersecretary for health in the Department of Veterans Affairs,” Shinseki said in a statement.
...

Let's hope this is just the beginning and some actual fething effort to address these things... instead of the usual whitewash.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Let me guess, this was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati branch.... oh wait, wrong scandal.

Well... to be fair, we now have more accountability at the VA than we did at State with Benghazi, or at Treasury with the IRS scandal.

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Well... to be fair, we now have more accountability at the VA than we did at State with Benghazi, or at Treasury with the IRS scandal.


Well vets are related. People have a special place for vets. Cross them and pay the price of the rage.

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Since support for their veterans seems to be such a big part of the US military's 'sell', perhaps they should think about bringing the services 'in house' and dump the VA completely

They'd be better placed to see what was going on, if those working within it were under the military chain of command it should be easier to remove weak links and since services would also be available to serving personnel they should have higher buying power and thus get goods & services cheaper


Honestly, this is a horrible idea... See, for anything other than papercuts, the Army (not sure about the other branches) will simply send you off to a specialist. Depending on your base/hospital, that specialist will most likely be off-post. And since you're being sent to a civilian health clinic for care, they generally don't report back (well, that's not really true... they do, just to TRICARE, but having an army doc that looks at the TRICARE paperwork is like finding real grass inside Dallas Stadium). This situation is how I had been diagnosed with RA for over 2 years, and been on certain meds for over a year, but my doc didn't notice until well after it was time for him to initiate a Med Board (even though I'd told him I wasn't taking it any longer).

Since I'm now out, and there seem to be some VA types here, do any of you guys know about the medical center at American Lake in Washington?
   
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This is just a mess... o.O

Exclusive: Texas VA Run Like a ‘Crime Syndicate,’ Whistleblower Says
For years, employees at a Texas VA complained that their bosses were cooking the books. For years, the VA insisted there was no widespread wrongdoing.
Editor's Note: This story has been updated with new information.
Last week, President Obama pledged to address allegations of corruption and dangerous inefficiencies in the veterans’ health-care system. But before the president could deliver on his pledge, the scandal has spread even further. New whistleblower testimony and internal documents implicate an award-winning VA hospital in Texas in widespread wrongdoing—and what appears to be systemic fraud.

Emails and VA memos obtained exclusively by The Daily Beast provide what is among the most comprehensive accounts yet of how high-level VA hospital employees conspired to game the system. It shows not only how they manipulated hospital wait lists but why—to cover up the weeks and months veterans spent waiting for needed medical care. If those lag times had been revealed, it would have threatened the executives’ bonus pay.

What’s worse, the documents show the wrongdoing going unpunished for years, even after it was repeatedly reported to local and national VA authorities. That indicates a new troubling angle to the VA scandal: that the much touted investigations may be incapable of finding violations that are hiding in plain sight.

“For lack of a better term, you’ve got an organized crime syndicate,” a whistleblower who works in the Texas VA told The Daily Beast. “People up on top are suddenly afraid they may actually be prosecuted and they’re pressuring the little guys down below to cover it all up.”

“I see it in the executives’ eyes,” the whistleblower added. “They are worried.”

The current VA scandal broke in Phoenix last month, when a former doctor at a VA hospital there became the first whistleblower to gain national attention. The doctor's allegations of falsified appointments—and veterans dying while they waited for treatment—unleashed a wave of similar claims from VA employees nationwide. In Cheyenne, Wyoming, Chicago, and Albuquerque, more VA whistleblowers came forward claiming that the same fraudulent scheduling was being used in the hospitals where they worked. At last count, the VA inspector general’s investigation had expanded to 26 separate facilities.
The torrent of claims led to Senate hearings, calls for VA Secretary Eric Shinseki to resign, multiple investigations and President Obama’s own public statement last week. Paul Rieckhoff, founder and chief executive officer of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), believes that even more revelations are coming.

“This newest case just further illustrates that the scandal is much more far reaching than most people realize,” Rieckhoff said, “Phoenix was just the tip of the iceberg. Scandal has become the new normal, it’s the status quo at the VA right now.”

But, despite the political uproar and the growing investigations, the root causes of the VA crisis have remained murky. New documents and whistleblower testimony obtained by The Daily Beast shed light on exactly how fraud is being perpetrated in the VA and its underlying causes.
There’s enormous pressure to report favorable wait times for VA patients, the Texas whistleblower explained, even if those wait times are completely false.

“If [VA] directors report low numbers, they’re the outlier. They won’t stay a director very long and they certainly won’t get promoted. No one is getting rewarded for honesty. They pretty much have to lie, if they don’t they won’t go anywhere,” the whistleblower added. Weighted more heavily than other performance measures, the wait time numbers alone “count for 50% of the executive career field bonus, which is a pretty powerful motivator.”

Though VA hospitals may be struggling with increasing patient loads and inadequate resources—including too few medical providers—they are punished for acknowledging those problems. The VA’s current system appears to reward executives’ accounting tricks that mask deep structural issues and impede real solutions.

The whistleblower—who will alternately be called “the clinician,” referring to the job they have held with the Texas VA for almost a decade—asked to remain anonymous due to fear of losing their job or being otherwise punished for speaking out.

ANATOMY OF A FRAUD

The clinician has been alerting authorities to the wrongdoing at their facility for years but the corruption has persisted despite multiple reports and investigations by the VA’s inspector general.

The case of Dr. Joseph Spann, a recently retired doctor who reported malfeasance in the Texas VA system, where he worked for 17 years, raises the possibility that official investigations may only be hiding the problems they were charged to root out.

After retiring in January of this year Spann sent a letter to VA investigators accusing a VA employee of manipulating patient wait lists to hide treatment delays for veterans. The rigged reporting scheme Spann described in his letter, which threatens veterans’ lives by delaying their treatment, is the same method that has been exposed in Phoenix, Cheyenne, Albuquerque, and scores of other VA hospitals across the country.

According to Spann, Dr. Gordon Vincent, chief of radiology at Olin E. Teague Veterans Medical Center in Temple, Texas, didn’t just break VA policy by manipulating veterans’ appointments himself. He ordered VA employees across central Texas to engage in the same fraudulent practice.

The VA said it investigated Spann’s charges, and, after, finding nothing to substantiate the claims, cleared Vincent and the Texas VA.

But documents obtained by The Daily Beast appear to show Dr. Vincent doing precisely what Spann accused him of—the activities the VA said it could not substantiate.
< see link for actual documents >

In the above document, taken from the VA’s internal record system, you can see Dr. Vincent cancel an ultrasound appointment for a veteran suffering from cirrhosis. Vincent tells the doctor who submitted the original order to change the desired date—the day the provider selected for the procedure based on their diagnosis and clinical judgement—citing the facility’s patient backlog.

Veterans are supposed to be seen within 14 days of their desired date, according to VA policy.
By changing the desired date, Dr. Vincent, a VA section chief, was violating well-established scheduling rules detailed in an official VA memo from April 2010 and re-emphasized in a separate policy directive from June of that year. But forging veterans’ desired dates seems to have been widely considered a low-risk, high-reward form of cheating. Changing the dates made it seem as if patients were being seen within the prescribed 14-day window, which reflected well on the hospital and put its staff in line for bonuses.

For the veterans seeking care, however, it had no such benefits.

In his letter to the VA’s Inspector General’s Office, Spann wrote, “I cannot categorically say that I ever saw a patient die from such manipulated scheduling, but I did see several cancer patients have their possible surgery or chemotherapy treatments delayed awaiting the required radiology tests.”

The VA whistleblower, who provided The Daily Beast with the records implicating Dr. Vincent, works as a medical provider for sick veterans. “It’s plain and simple common sense,” the clinician said. “Every delay in a patient’s diagnosis is an injury. The more severe the veteran’s condition, the worse the injury caused by the wait as the disease is allowed to progress.”

Now that the VA has exonerated Dr. Vincent, there may be no one left to evaluate the injury caused by the appointments he canceled.

NOTES ON A SCANDAL

This document described is only one piece of evidence in a larger docket against Vincent, which is itself part of a larger record of corruption in the VA that extends far beyond Vincent or any one individual. In 2011, the VA’s inspector general investigated the Central Texas health-care system in response to complaints it had received. The inspector general found that manipulated appointments were widespread and hid significant delays, but the report doesn’t seem to have led to a single VA official being disciplined or officially held responsible for gaming the system.
This internal VA email chain from 2011, provided exclusively to The Daily Beast, clearly instructs medical providers to falsify their schedules in the same manner that was exposed in Phoenix three years later. Though a VA executive warns that the original message is encouraging fraud, by the email’s conclusion two other doctors have written suggesting that it’s a common occurrence. The email was originally sent to every medical provider in the Central Texas VA health-care network.

The first message in the chain comes from a scheduling coordinator, James Anderson, who tells doctors across the state to use January 2 as the desired date for veterans. The Central Texas VA Chief of Staff, William Harper, then reproaches Anderson, saying, “You cannot do this!!!! This is essentially fraud. The desired date is what it is and if we don’t meet the standard then we will work to improve.”

(The Central Texas VA referred all questions to the national Department of Veterans’ Affairs office in Washington, D.C. Representatives at the national VA declined to comment on the record for this story.)

After the warning from Harper and questions about scheduling from several other doctors, including Spann, the final comment in the thread concerns Dr. Vincent. The message reads: “It doesn’t help if you insist on a date that doesn’t meet their 30-day criteria. Vincent just cancels the order. End of story. ”

In other words: it never mattered what was entered to show the “desired date” requested by the patient or the medical provider treating them. Despite Harper’s protestations, if the entry didn’t help meet the VA’s performance objectives it never made it into the system.

Nevertheless, the VA recently cleared Vincent of wrongdoing and, while acknowledging scheduling malpractice, blamed it on mistakes made by lower-level clerks.

“I saw the press release saying it wasn’t Vincent or any of the executives, that the schedulers were entering the desired dates incorrectly but they were not directed to do so by management. That’s just not true and we’ve got mountains of evidence proving it,” the clinician told The Daily Beast.

PERFORMANCE INCENTIVES

On the ultrasound request form, Dr. Vincent writes that he canceled the order because it was “entered in error.” But that would have come as news to the medical provider who actually interacted with the veteran and entered the date based on their evaluation of the patient’s needs. The real reason for canceling it, according to both Dr. Spann and the whistleblower who spoke with The Daily Beast, was to meet the VA’s performance objectives—whatever the cost.

Meeting the performance objectives, which made executives eligible for bonuses and put them in line for promotions, became the overriding imperative among VA executives, according to both Spann and the whistleblower.

The VA’s 2012 performance plan, provided to The Daily Beast by the whistleblower, contains five critical elements to evaluate success, each one containing multiple sub-criteria. But critical element No. 5, the “Results Driven” component that contains the “wait time” criteria, is worth 50% of the overall score. That’s as much as all the other elements combined.

And scoring high on the performance measures is of paramount consideration in a VA hospital. “This is what your bosses, the executives, are being evaluated for,” the whistleblower said. “So if you work for them you must support this because that’s how they’re prioritizing their evaluation of your job.”

The VA’s performance measures were originally established to provide uniform criteria for evaluating employees. The idea was to use the grading system to reward those who met the standard with bonuses and identify those who were lagging behind. But over time, VA executives realized that the wait time numbers they reported were almost more important than anything else—including the actual care they provided veterans—in how they were judged by the VA’s leadership. At that point the measures became a perverse incentive, encouraging VA facilities across the country to hide problems by cheating their numbers. Eventually, cooking the books became an alarmingly regular procedure—a standard that might have remained if it hadn’t been exposed in Phoenix and unraveled over the past month.

COVER-UP?

The problems in the Central Texas VA system outlined here may be new to most readers, but they have been on the record for years. They are certainly no surprise to the VA’s Office of Inspector General (OIG), which has received multiple complaints about the facility and investigated it in 2011.

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Well since the thread was brought back, this seems apropos.

VA To Improve Veterans’ Health Care With New $500 Million Waiting Room



WASHINGTON—Responding to recent allegations concerning agency misconduct and an overall lack of quality treatment for the nation’s servicemen and women, Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki announced plans Tuesday to improve health care for American veterans with a new $500 million state-of-the-art waiting room.

In a press conference held at the White House, Shinseki revealed details of the sprawling, 150,000-seat complex, which will reportedly be capable of comfortably accommodating veterans for periods ranging from 90 minutes to several hours each day. The secretary emphasized that his department is “One hundred percent committed” to enhancing medical care for American soldiers by providing them with the most modern amenities, ranging from a high-tech ceiling-mounted sound system that pipes in a continuous stream of soft music, to flat-screen televisions playing at low volume on every wall, to water coolers that offer both hot and cold options.

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That's great news! (d-usa should like working in a spiffier ED)

I hope this isn't an attempt to deflect real reforms though...

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That's great news! (d-usa should like working in a spiffier ED)

I hope this isn't an attempt to deflect real reforms though...



It's from DuffelBlog (for those who don't know, it's basically the military version of the Onion)
   
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 whembly wrote:
That's great news! (d-usa should like working in a spiffier ED)

I hope this isn't an attempt to deflect real reforms though...



It's from DuffelBlog (for those who don't know, it's basically the military version of the Onion)

Oh... dammit. Thanks.

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So far it seems like my VA has not been touched, I'm really hoping this stays this way.

If this many VA systems have been involved then there seems to be really only two explanations:

1) If it is a true single-office leadership issue, then this goes up pretty high. Since the problem spans multiple VISNs it could be something that originated above the VISN level. This would mean that somebody at the national level would have been the source.

2) It really originated at individual VA systems and the idea and technique spread via word of mouth at conventions and regional/national meetings. I really hope it is #2.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
So far it seems like my VA has not been touched, I'm really hoping this stays this way.

If this many VA systems have been involved then there seems to be really only two explanations:

1) If it is a true single-office leadership issue, then this goes up pretty high. Since the problem spans multiple VISNs it could be something that originated above the VISN level. This would mean that somebody at the national level would have been the source.

I actually think that's highly unlikely... unless those executives are also under that performance-based bonus scheme.

2) It really originated at individual VA systems and the idea and technique spread via word of mouth at conventions and regional/national meetings. I really hope it is #2.

To me... this is the most probable. However, the only thing that really concerns me is that the VA’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) seemingly didn't investigate this well. Why not?

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1,700 veterans weren't even on the list

CNN) -- At least 1,700 military veterans waiting to see a doctor were never scheduled for an appointment and never placed on a wait list at the Veterans Affairs facility in Phoenix, Arizona, raising the question of just how many may have been "forgotten or lost" in the system, according to an agency report made public Wednesday.

Describing a "systemic" practice of manipulating appointments and wait lists at the Phoenix facility, the VA's Office of Inspector General called for a nationwide review to determine whether veterans at other locations were falling through the cracks.

The preliminary report sparked outrage from all corners, with Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki calling the findings "reprehensible" and ordering the 1,700 veterans be immediately "triaged" for care, while at least one prominent lawmaker called for the agency's chief to resign.

The VA is under fire over allegations of alarming shortcomings at its medical facilities. The controversy, as CNN first reported, involves delayed care with potentially fatal consequences in possibly dozens of cases.

CNN has reported that in Phoenix, the VA used fraudulent record-keeping -- including an alleged secret list -- that covered up excessive waiting periods for veterans, some of whom died in the process.

The big questions remain under investigation, according to the report: Did the facility's electronic wait list omit the names of veterans waiting for care and, if so, at who's direction?

And were the death of any of these veterans related to delays in care?

"To date our work has substantiated serious conditions at the Phoenix facility," said the report, which also found another 1,400 veterans at the Phoenix VA who did not have a doctor's appointment but were on the VA's formal electronic wait list.

The report also found "numerous allegations" of "daily of mismanagement, inappropriate hiring decisions, sexual harassment, and bullying behavior by mid- and senior-level managers."

Overall, there are 26 VA medical centers under investigation.

Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken told CNN that President Obama has been briefed on the report, and found it "deeply troubling."

When pressed on whether Obama still supports Shinseki, Blinken said: "We're focused on making sure these veterans who've delivered for this country get the care they need."

Still, Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer described the finding as terrible and said it was "about time" the Justice Department launched its own investigation.

He also said Shinseki should probably resign, which the Cabinet officer has said he has no plans to do.

"I haven't said this before, but I think it's time for Gen. Shinseki to move on," McCain said.

There have been calls from other members of Congress for him to step down over the scandal, but McCain's voice on military matters carries enormous weight considering his experience as a combat veteran, a Vietnam prisoner of war, and his work in the Senate on related issues.

President Barack Obama said last week he needed more time to assemble the facts and promised accountability if problems were found. For now, he's sticking with Shinseki.

The VA has acknowledged 23 deaths nationwide due to delayed care. Griffin told a Senate committee in recent weeks that his investigation so far had found a possible 17 deaths of veterans waiting for care in Phoenix, but he added that there was no evidence that excessive waiting was the reason.

The report comes hours before a House committee hearing on the Phoenix VA issues.

Griffin recommended that Shinseki "take immediate action" to "review and provide appropriate health care" to the 1,700 veterans identified in Phoenix as not being on a wait list.

It also recommended that he initiate a nationwide review of waiting lists "to ensure that veterans are seen in an appropriate time, given their clinical condition."


I think Mr. McCain is right, heads need to roll over this. I also have no issue with the President needing more time to investigate - this needs to be rooted out, hard and deep.


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I think Mr. McCain is right, heads need to roll over this. I also have no issue with the President needing more time to investigate - this needs to be rooted out, hard and deep.



If heads do roll, can they do it the George Carlin method?

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/politics/va-hospitals-shinseki/index.html?c=us

"Could this be tied to performance bonuses?"

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Heads need to roll, but the end result will probably the firing of some low level folks and transfers (aka: all expense paid moves with a possible promotion) for the higher ups.

It's sickening.
   
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46 VA hospital from what I understand from the investigation report. I'm going with option 2.

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/29/politics/va-hospitals-shinseki/index.html?c=us

"Could this be tied to performance bonuses?"

Paging Dr. Obvious...

When the NHS brought in targets and bonuses you may be shocked to learn that lots of hospital administrators started to spend money not on healthcare, or patient services, but on consultants to help them achieve their targets. So the taxpayer paid for consultants to help the administrators get paid more, and shrink the budget for care for the taxpayers.

 
   
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If the bonuses are tied to specific performance goals, it stands to reason that while consultants were called in, then the goals were also met; so a win for everyone, no?

If the system was gamed, as it was here; then it's fraud and should be prosecuted.


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I am pretty stunned and how this is growing and growing. I will be flabbergasted if Shinseki has his job by the end of it.

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I am pretty stunned and how this is growing and growing. I will be flabbergasted if Shinseki has his job by the end of it.


Especially when, in his senate hearings, he claims that he's outraged, and could use offensive language (but doesnt)... he sure as gak dont sound like he's all that pissed off... I mean, were I him and sitting there getting grilled by senators and congressmen, I'd have veins popping out of my neck, flipping tables and whatnot.
   
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 curran12 wrote:
I am pretty stunned and how this is growing and growing. I will be flabbergasted if Shinseki has his job by the end of it.


Especially when, in his senate hearings, he claims that he's outraged, and could use offensive language (but doesnt)... he sure as gak dont sound like he's all that pissed off... I mean, were I him and sitting there getting grilled by senators and congressmen, I'd have veins popping out of my neck, flipping tables and whatnot.


The vibe I get from him is one of overwhelming complacency and leniency. You're right, there's absolutely no urgency or emotion in anything he says.

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Heads need to roll, but the end result will probably the firing of some low level folks and transfers (aka: all expense paid moves with a possible promotion) for the higher ups.

It's sickening.

Agreed.

Well... Obama and Shinseki is having a serious meeting today. Possible resignation?

At this point, any executives caught in this ought to be fired pronto and prosecuted if found in conspiracy to commit fraud.

I know we're hungry to see some heads roll... but, really the issue at hand is how do we "fix" this (and don't just say throw money at it, it's mostly a structural issue than funding).

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I'm not sure why, but it seems that the vet groups want change, but want Shinseki to stay. I would have thought that they would have wanted him replaced.

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I'm not sure why, but it seems that the vet groups want change, but want Shinseki to stay. I would have thought that they would have wanted him replaced.


Maybe the vets who want him to stay didn't have to feel his AWESOME policies while in the army?? By that I mean of course, they didn't have to wear a beret when they weren't Ranger, Airborne or SOF.
   
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I think putting the shitbags who took bonus $$$$ 'earned' by falsifying waiting lists/status in a Fed Pen for several hard years goes a long way towards fixing the problem. Negate the incentive to cheat by attaching a massively painful penalty, and publicize the implementation.

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SHinseki has resigned.

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 whembly wrote:
SHinseki has resigned.

Stuff is incoming...


Source?? A quick search shows he's still da Boss of the VA...
   
 
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