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Yep, the problem with Thousand Suns is that they die like regular Space Marines. And regular space marines die in droves to the back breaking weight of fire. The Riptide will go pew pew something else that's more effective with Ap2 instead of guys with actual saves.

Remember, 140~ pts for 10 marines. 175 pts in the IG book gets you 50 Fearless Scoring bodies.

Unless your elite unit is smothered in every special rule available, you're better off with bullet catchers.

All I did was try to make a joke comment about a way to defeat AP2 Pie.

Not that that I would not try using my Tzeentch army vs. Tau just to see how it worked.

 Anpu42 wrote:
All I did was try to make a joke comment about a way to defeat AP2 Pie.

Not that that I would not try using my Tzeentch army vs. Tau just to see how it worked.

Alas, comedy is sometimes difficult on paper isn't it? And never implied it, just thought you were being serious about it and then promptly analyzed it.

I love watching Anpu get whupped.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't hate GW?

Lrn 2 enjoy the game.

I think GW is awesome...

So do I, people should just chill out
I couldnt stand my old game group, Gw hate 24/7
Had to keep asking why they were so obsessed with the game when they thought it was broken
I've said it before i'll say it again- The 40k online community loves to hate Gw.
The community at my local store is all fun and friendly.

Stop using the 'H' word, I doubt you'll find very many, if any, posters who actively 'hate' GW, it is a terribly emotive word that people who disagree with those who criticise GW use to try and undermine their criticisms.

By all means, use criticise, even dislike, but hate is just getting tired.

 Njal Stormpuppy wrote:
I've said it before i'll say it again- The 40k online community loves to hate Gw.

Have you ever stopped to look at why this is the case, when so many other games companies seem to cruise along without the same sort of anger directed at them?

 insaniak wrote:

 Njal Stormpuppy wrote:
I've said it before i'll say it again- The 40k online community loves to hate Gw.

Have you ever stopped to look at why this is the case, when so many other games companies seem to cruise along without the same sort of anger directed at them?

Clearly anyone who dislikes GW is just a whiner who should find another game to play.

My problem is not the GW Haters [I neither Hate or Love GW].
It is the constant droning of I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW.
Over and over, even when you want to move on that is my promlem with GW Haters. Then [chose a diety] forbid you thay say you like GW.

You can replace GW with 6th Edition or Space Wolves at I feel the same way about the haters, but this will change nothing.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't hate GW?

Lrn 2 enjoy the game.

I think GW is awesome...

Yep, now wheres that thread about ridiculous things you've heard 40k players say?

In my old Meta, I was lucky to have a very good group of players. Only two Power Gamers, the rest were a friendly sort.

My new meta is kinda weird. All armies except Orks and Guard are represented. Not many competitive players either.

Ripe for the taking... MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

40k has always had, and always will have, its fair share of grognards, myself sometimes counted amongst them.

That said, if you thought it was bad here, you never saw GW's *actual* forums when they still existed. That was a very unhappy place.

 Anpu42 wrote:
My problem is not the GW Haters [I neither Hate or Love GW].
It is the constant droning of I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW, I HATE GW.
Over and over, even when you want to move on that is my promlem with GW Haters. Then [chose a diety] forbid you thay say you like GW.

You can replace GW with 6th Edition or Space Wolves at I feel the same way about the haters, but this will change nothing.

The SW earned their hate fair and square. By being the 6th ed Eldar for most of 5th ed.

Yeah SW spamming razorbacks was OP, but that's over two years ago now SW are suffering so it's time to let that grudge go.

Fotm players were not SW players back then just like they arnt tau or eldar players now, they go with what's most powerful and spoil the reputations of people that play that army for fluff reasons.

I've played SW since 96 I certainly don't deserve the hate as I don't play in tournaments or use meta lists, but I did get alot of crap in 5th.

hobojebus wrote:
Yeah SW spamming razorbacks was OP, but that's over two years ago now SW are suffering so it's time to let that grudge go.

Fotm players were not SW players back then just like they arnt tau or eldar players now, they go with what's most powerful and spoil the reputations of people that play that army for fluff reasons.

I've played SW since 96 I certainly don't deserve the hate as I don't play in tournaments or use meta lists, but I did get alot of crap in 5th.

Oh please people still whine about CSM because of a 3.5 edition codex are you even surprised?

BAH, some of us have been complaining about 40K as long as the internet's been around.

I don't love to hate GW. In fact, quite the opposite. I greatly dislike the fact that I'm not fond of GW these days, because I used to have a lot of fun with their games and models.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
BAH, some of us have been complaining about 40K as long as the internet's been around.

Pffft there's probably a few vets were complaining before the internet really came out as a thing to be used.

Well you have to give GW plc corporate management credit where its due.
Thanks to them there are far more things to complain about now!

Unless you are a faithful Hhhobbyist. Then you have more to thank GW for!

 StarTrotter wrote:


Oh please people still whine about CSM because of a 3.5 edition codex are you even surprised?

Are there many chaos players left that actualy played the game when the 4th ed codex was legal . It must have been 10+years ago . The only people I have seen that play the game for more then 3 years are IG ,Eldar and ork players out of a sample of over 50 people playing around here .

Wait we have a guy who plays sob since 2ed too, but he is more of a profesional painter/sculptor he has a studio that makes models of Space Celtic warriors etc. Great guy too gave me some models I liked for free.

Makumba wrote:

 StarTrotter wrote:


Oh please people still whine about CSM because of a 3.5 edition codex are you even surprised?

Are there many chaos players left that actualy played the game when the 4th ed codex was legal . It must have been 10+years ago . The only people I have seen that play the game for more then 3 years are IG ,Eldar and ork players out of a sample of over 50 people playing around here .

Wait we have a guy who plays sob since 2ed too, but he is more of a profesional painter/sculptor he has a studio that makes models of Space Celtic warriors etc. Great guy too gave me some models I liked for free.

Just as many as any other codex really I guess. It's possible it's grown smaller though. A lot of people have been dissatisfied with the 6th edition codex after the 4th edition one so I really can't tell you.

I'll stop being unhappy with GW when I stop feeling like GW is trying to drive players away from the Tyranids so they can safely discontinue the line.

Actually that's just one of many problems I have.

 ninjafiredragon wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't hate GW?

Lrn 2 enjoy the game.

I think GW is awesome...

Yep, now wheres that thread about ridiculous things you've heard 40k players say?

He likes GW because he's a power gaming troll who uses cheesy Dark Eldar lists.

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
40k is undergoing a period of purging of players who take the game as a serious strategic exercise. It's not that surprising that said people are whining because they're forced with the option of changing or leaving.

It's just a phase, though. Eventually it will all settle out.

I hope it happens quickly. Tired of the nerd rage.

So far haven't seen any of this in my area. Glad to hear it's undergoing a "thin out their numbers" phase.
This game is too much fun to let it be ruined by batt attitudes.

 WarAngel wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
40k is undergoing a period of purging of players who take the game as a serious strategic exercise. It's not that surprising that said people are whining because they're forced with the option of changing or leaving.

It's just a phase, though. Eventually it will all settle out.

I hope it happens quickly. Tired of the nerd rage.

So far haven't seen any of this in my area. Glad to hear it's undergoing a "thin out their numbers" phase.
This game is too much fun to let it be ruined by batt attitudes.

Quite, let's purge the dissenting voices.

Cleanse them, if you will.

Because, historically, thats a healthy approach to resolving conflict that always ends well!

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
40k is undergoing a period of purging of players who take the game as a serious strategic exercise. It's not that surprising that said people are whining because they're forced with the option of changing or leaving.

It's just a phase, though. Eventually it will all settle out.

I hope it happens quickly. Tired of the nerd rage.

Fail to see the irony here?

 WarAngel wrote:

 Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Ailaros wrote:
40k is undergoing a period of purging of players who take the game as a serious strategic exercise. It's not that surprising that said people are whining because they're forced with the option of changing or leaving.

It's just a phase, though. Eventually it will all settle out.

I hope it happens quickly. Tired of the nerd rage.

So far haven't seen any of this in my area. Glad to hear it's undergoing a "thin out their numbers" phase.
This game is too much fun to let it be ruined by batt attitudes.

Tired of nerd rage...
We hates the GW's...

Without passion it is not a hobby, you simply would not care enough to have a reason to say much.

I suspect people (especially more competitive players) would not get much of a charge out of a game and say you were winning and your opponent says "Meh, is it just me, or once the armies are decided, the game pretty much plays itself out. Is this boring or what?".<edit> That would just suck all the wind out of your sails or what?
I find the complaint rather hollow, if people did not get excited, it would suck all the fun out of the game.

I think the time to worry is when no-one could be bothered to complain.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 BrotherOfBone wrote:
Am I the only person who doesn't hate GW?

Lrn 2 enjoy the game.

I think GW is awesome...

I don't get this. I enjoy 40K; for all its faults, I can still play a game that I enjoy. However, I'm less than impressed at GW, for the simple reason that they're pricing me out of the game. There's 1000 other reasons, but that's number one.

Ailaros wrote:
Tell me, why are casual players up in arms? Why are only-painters raging in "40k is broken" and "GW is satan" threads? Can they not paint or hobby anymore?

No, the only people who are actually angry are those people who want 40k to be a strategy game where everyone starts out on an even playing field, in a game that accurately determines player skill. Those who use words like "compete" to mean anything but, and nothing more than "I want to win".

Us casual players are up in arms because: It's expensive. Too expensive. 5 dudes for £30? I'd rather keep my liver, thanks. I can buy a Riptide, or an A-list videogame. Not to argue the merits of one hobby over another, but suffice to say GW's marketing practices, pricing, etc are driving everyone up the wall.