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2014/04/28 17:58:46
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
As a business perspective, flipping every two years is enough time for someone to start with an ally detachment then move into a full army after they can't be taken as allies. Then 8th ed comes and allies are back in.
The rage would be legendary if GW did this. Not saying it isn't possible, but oh my god, the anger that would develop if GW did the ol' switcheroo on allies would be tangible. It certainly would make me do a gut check to see if I wanted to keep playing GW's shell game.
2014/04/28 17:59:10
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
As a business perspective, flipping every two years is enough time for someone to start with an ally detachment then move into a full army after they can't be taken as allies. Then 8th ed comes and allies are back in.
The rage would be legendary if GW did this. Not saying it isn't possible, but oh my god, the anger that would develop if GW did the ol' switcheroo on allies would be tangible. It certainly would make me do a gut check to see if I wanted to keep playing GW's shell game.
Hasn't it happened before? I'm pretty sure there was an edition (before my time) that had allies then removed them.
2014/04/28 18:01:19
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
2nd-3rd did. Though there were limited allowances with the Inquisitorial books.
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2014/04/28 18:06:08
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
This will probably be the deciding edition for me. If the rules dont change and its just a big old rule book with everything rolled in then I'll probably just carry on playing 6th edition with my mates.
If they do change it and the mini rule book has all the rules then great, I'll grab a starter set.....anything else and its Flames of War for me.
2014/04/28 18:06:42
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
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2014/04/28 18:07:19
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
I don't see them removing allies. It's too much of a cash cow for GW. Right now it's a sure thing that people will go out and buy space marines to compliment their Tau. If allies were removed, those people might go out and buy more Space Marines, to make it a full legal army. Or... they'll just put their Space Marines on the shelf.
Allies are guaranteed money; removing allies is a gamble.
2014/04/28 18:09:25
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
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2014/04/28 18:11:03
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
So wait, they purposefully break a game's balance completely just to release a new edition soon afterwards in order to raise sales and then be praised by a few sheep for "saving" 40k?
I'm not sure if that's genius or downright evil.
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pretre wrote: I think there's too many unknowns to say if it will be 'suicidal' yet. If it is really 6.5 with everything put together, I don't think it will be a big deal. If it fixes/faqs issues and makes things more cohesive, I think it will be well received.
If it is a whole new edition, it probably won't go well. Unless, of course, it is that crazy salty 40k/fantasy combo edition and then who knows.
True, but it wouldn't be a Kroothawk post without a "sky is falling, GW is DOOMED" comment.
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2014/04/28 18:14:35
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
I was wondering when they were going to re-call all the poorly written 6th Ed. books and give everyone a complimentary replacement 7th edition book
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The release dates are what is truly interesting. To be available in your FLGS, the orders will have to be placed before the official release date and pre-orders are a week before the release date and the release date is before the end of May. So all of those numbers are listed as sales. Those would be recorded right before the end of the fiscal year for GW and would be included on their finacial reports.
This makes the probability all the more likely.
I would expect it to be more than just 6.5. They need to change enough rules to force everyone to buy a new rule book to get that big boost in sales before the fiscal deadline.
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2014/04/28 18:17:08
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Sigvatr wrote: So wait, they purposefully break a game's balance completely just to release a new edition soon afterwards in order to raise sales and then be praised by a few sheep for "saving" 40k?
I'm not sure if that's genius or downright evil.
I feel the same way Sigvatr.
I just can't see how any release of a new core rulebook after the previous book only had a two-year lifespan is a good thing.
Either they attempted to rebalance the books significantly, which makes me question why they couldn't have planned better in future release...
Or they're just mixing up the rules for the sake of mixing them up, in which case the two-year cycle is even MORE of an insult...
Or they're making all of the expansions core to the main rules, in which case you have to either (a) buy the new rulebook to get these rules, or (b) buy the expansions if you hadn't already (which would probably be as expensive as buying a whole new rulebook).
2014/04/28 18:19:18
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Anpu42 wrote: I have heard so many diffrent things about this, so I am taking everything with a HUGE Grain of Salt.
Keep in mind that the current rule books is "No Longer Available" on GW's site.
That's a pretty solid indication imo.
Or they ran out of stock and are reprinting. NLA on the site has traditionally been seen as a 'OMG CONFIRMED' indicator and hasn't been in a lot of cases.
They ran out of stock printed in other languages at the same time?
Nah... not buying that.
Something is happening ya'll.
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2014/04/28 18:22:02
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Frankly I like Allies, it keeps the meta fresh and enables folks on the long side of codex update to pick something recent and 'more powerful' to give them a boost.
I don't like certain ally combinations and the unbalance in who gets more or less choices (and think that 'Battle Brothers' should just be removed).
I would welcome a 6.5/7th ed, if I were to guess I'd suggest a ruleset that includes the basics of fortification and escalation rules and provides new rules for D weapons. Lots of rules and things are scattered about in 6th atm, would be handy to see a tidying up and perhaps some serious fine-tuning on the rules themselves (some form of boost to walkers, +1HP on all vehicles etc) to give back some fluidity on play.
Re the title of this thread, I'm in love with the idea of the 40k rulebook being produced in Old English...
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Kroothawk wrote: I think, a new edition after less than 2 years would be suicidal to 40k and showing, how desperate GW is.
I have absolutely no confidence that a new edition would fix any of the current problems, as the same team of authors has just created those problems, e.g. pushing Apocalypse units down everyone's throat in normal games.
GW's odd number editions tend to be the popular ones, so it's completely possible that it turns out well.
Mostly just pointing that out to make you say more stuff about how everything is doomed.
I was wondering when they were going to re-call all the poorly written 6th Ed. books and give everyone a complimentary replacement 7th edition book
This should be a reason to take action against GW. Is it illegal to rent a dump truck and block the entrance to corporate office with rulebooks with colourful language?
Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/04/28 18:28:37
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
I can't wait. The book will be sold in a newer higher quality leather bound books at only 8 times the current price. It'll consist mostly of a large pull out measuring about 9 feet long. On one side it will have the compressed FOC and the other the allies matrix to help streamline things.
In all seriousness, it'll only contain updates to buildings, how super heavies and D weapons work, and a new FOC and matrix. That's what I have my money on.
I'm expecting an Imperial Knights supplement dedicated to GW's loyalist apologetics. Codex: White Knights "In the grim dark future, everything is fine."
"The argument is that we have to do this or we will, bit by bit,
lose everything that we hold dear, everything that keeps the business going. Our crops will wither, our children will die piteous
deaths and the sun will be swept from the sky."
-Tom Kirby
2014/04/28 18:30:51
Subject: Re:40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: So, GW made it so that I needed a computer or an e-reader to get my English-only rules. So now, I am going to take advantage of the wide availability of English computer documents containing GW rules for this new edition. Understand that as you will.
Group buy iDexes. You can find places that have iTunes cards for up to 50% off, buy a bunch with friends and share the files, you all have partial ownership, and any copy is for reference. Or have multiple iPads run off one computer. Bam. Get around GWs gouge tactics, they bring this upon themselves.
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Rick Priestley said it best:
Bryan always said that if the studio ever had to mix with the manufacturing and sales part of the business it would destroy the studio. And I have to say – he wasn’t wrong there! The modern studio isn’t a studio in the same way; it isn’t a collection of artists and creatives sharing ideas and driving each other on. It’s become the promotions department of a toy company – things move on!
2014/04/28 18:31:28
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Anpu42 wrote: I have heard so many diffrent things about this, so I am taking everything with a HUGE Grain of Salt.
Keep in mind that the current rule books is "No Longer Available" on GW's site.
That's a pretty solid indication imo.
Or they ran out of stock and are reprinting. NLA on the site has traditionally been seen as a 'OMG CONFIRMED' indicator and hasn't been in a lot of cases.
No, GW lists that as "Temporarily out of stock" and gives you the ability to sign up for an email notification when it's in stock again.
For comparison I've attached a screencap.
2014/04/28 18:32:40
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
I was wondering when they were going to re-call all the poorly written 6th Ed. books and give everyone a complimentary replacement 7th edition book
This should be a reason to take action against GW. Is it illegal to rent a dump truck and block the entrance to corporate office with rulebooks with colourful language?
In the US it depends on if you have a permit to protest, but you'd probably have to block the parking lot, not the building itself as to not be considered a "fire hazard".
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2014/04/28 18:34:45
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Anpu42 wrote: I have heard so many diffrent things about this, so I am taking everything with a HUGE Grain of Salt.
Keep in mind that the current rule books is "No Longer Available" on GW's site.
That's a pretty solid indication imo.
Or they ran out of stock and are reprinting. NLA on the site has traditionally been seen as a 'OMG CONFIRMED' indicator and hasn't been in a lot of cases.
No, GW lists that as "Temporarily out of stock" and gives you the ability to sign up for an email notification when it's in stock again.
For comparison I've attached a screencap.
Not to go too far OFT, ClockworkZion, but does that mean the Primaris Psyker is no longer available and will not be returning for sale?
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2014/04/28 18:38:17
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Assuming they're not just "updating" 6th edition and re-releasing it with all the appropiate erratas and slapping the codex expansions in their and maybe tweaking things a little, agreed. A revised rulebook would be reason enough to pull the old one after all.
Anpu42 wrote: I have heard so many diffrent things about this, so I am taking everything with a HUGE Grain of Salt.
Keep in mind that the current rule books is "No Longer Available" on GW's site.
That's a pretty solid indication imo.
Or they ran out of stock and are reprinting. NLA on the site has traditionally been seen as a 'OMG CONFIRMED' indicator and hasn't been in a lot of cases.
No, GW lists that as "Temporarily out of stock" and gives you the ability to sign up for an email notification when it's in stock again.
For comparison I've attached a screencap.
Not to go too far OFT, ClockworkZion, but does that mean the Primaris Psyker is no longer available and will not be returning for sale?
From what customer service told me: yes. If it's "No Longer Available" it is gone. I'm hoping we'll just get a Finecast or plastic replacement soon to make up for the loss of the old metal one.
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2014/04/28 18:41:00
Subject: 40k 7th Edition release 31st may? Old English 40k Rulebook discontinued
Assuming they're not just "updating" 6th edition and re-releasing it with all the appropiate erratas and slapping the codex expansions in their and maybe tweaking things a little, agreed. A revised rulebook would be reason enough to pull the old one after all.
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If the changes are extensive enough to require players to buy a new book, it's a new edition.
Assuming they're not just "updating" 6th edition and re-releasing it with all the appropiate erratas and slapping the codex expansions in their and maybe tweaking things a little, agreed. A revised rulebook would be reason enough to pull the old one after all.
Anpu42 wrote: I have heard so many diffrent things about this, so I am taking everything with a HUGE Grain of Salt.
Keep in mind that the current rule books is "No Longer Available" on GW's site.
That's a pretty solid indication imo.
Or they ran out of stock and are reprinting. NLA on the site has traditionally been seen as a 'OMG CONFIRMED' indicator and hasn't been in a lot of cases.
No, GW lists that as "Temporarily out of stock" and gives you the ability to sign up for an email notification when it's in stock again.
For comparison I've attached a screencap.
Not to go too far OFT, ClockworkZion, but does that mean the Primaris Psyker is no longer available and will not be returning for sale?
From what customer service told me: yes. If it's "No Longer Available" it is gone. I'm hoping we'll just get a Finecast or plastic replacement soon to make up for the loss of the old metal one.
I just can't fanthom how GW can be so supply-limited on models for a codex that just came out!
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Space Marines Deathwatch 5000pts / 
Scrapheap Challenged Orks 1500pts / 
Black Death 1500pts
