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I'm pretty sure that in reality they don't hold grudges.

They're a business to large to care about anything except making money.

Grudges are for children.

I'd say it's childish to assume a business can't hold a grudge.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd say it's childish to assume a business can't hold a grudge.

I'll state it is childish to think it is childish that a business that makes toys for children can't make half way decent sculpts of children.

Blacklists certainly do exist in the UK hilariously I've received some jobs because certain individuals tried to Blacklist me and the person hiring hated the person trying to get me blacklisted.......

I hate to say this but my experience with the wargames industry is that is is filled with some pretty childish and petty people.

I know of one instance where a very qualified person went to work for a game company but was discredited because his new manager asked some friends of friends about this guy and the people he asked apparently didn't like him, so his new manager took them at their word.

No matter how experienced he really was and how much he could help they just didn't believe him because other people he had worked with at another company lied simply because they didn't like him.

The manager, instead of using the references and calling the company to get confirmation of his position and history (which he is allowed to do) got his information second hand from "buddies" (new connections) he had met at conventions.

It's that kind of B/S that I think a couple of them are worried about.

That's true of any industry though, not just wargaming. Petty agendas, political infighting, gossip and back stabbing happen all the time.

I was once made redundant from a post where, in the space of 18 months, I had increased business in my location by 500%. The following week, my job was given to someone else, who just happened to spend a lot of time down at head office with the company director and his wife (who was head of personnel as well.)

Now, under UK employment law, you make a position, not a person, redundant, and therefore it is illegal to employ someone in the same post for a certain period of time. What actually happened was I was fired for no reason to vacate a position for a friend of the boss whose job actually was becoming redundant. I would have had a very solid case for wrongful dismissal, but within weeks the company went into receivership and got bought out, so I just had to enjoy the moral victory, because there wasn't anything left to get compensation from.

People will screw people over and treat them badly, regardless of what they're spending they're days doing to earn a living.

You also have to consider the efficiency of a company too. GW doesn't seem to be a very efficient company in many ways, if many of the chapterhouse stories are true.

In other words. 3 years after I moved into my flat, I still get mail from my estate agent for the previous occupant who also used the same estate agent.

If a company like that can't get its mail sorted out, there's no way in my mind that a gw hr employee is going to have a blacklist including names from a legal case that occurred on another continent.

Although some of the GeeDub hate in this thread is comically irrational, there is basis in the fact they hire for "attitude" rather than skill, Kerby has even placed it point blank out there on the website..
Which means to any real-worlder it depends on how much you suck up to them and toe the party line more than any "skill"..
I think they would hire them if they had a track record of shutting their mouth and valuing IP.. So they would have to draw a clear line in their resume that they weren't contracted whilst the item was under court discourse.

 azreal13 wrote:
That's true of any industry though, not just wargaming. Petty agendas, political infighting, gossip and back stabbing happen all the time.

I was once made redundant from a post where, in the space of 18 months, I had increased business in my location by 500%. The following week, my job was given to someone else, who just happened to spend a lot of time down at head office with the company director and his wife (who was head of personnel as well.)

Now, under UK employment law, you make a position, not a person, redundant, and therefore it is illegal to employ someone in the same post for a certain period of time. What actually happened was I was fired for no reason to vacate a position for a friend of the boss whose job actually was becoming redundant. I would have had a very solid case for wrongful dismissal, but within weeks the company went into receivership and got bought out, so I just had to enjoy the moral victory, because there wasn't anything left to get compensation from.

People will screw people over and treat them badly, regardless of what they're spending they're days doing to earn a living.

And Sayre's Law comes into play - "In any dispute the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the issues at stake." By way of corollary, it adds: "That is why academic politics are so bitter."

The Auld Grump, excuse me, that is my anthill you are standing on....

 Alpharius wrote:
He's not kidding - he's 100% serious - and most likely 100% spot on!

Quoted for truth. And I am serous about that as well.

I think it's more likely due to the fact that GW can pretty much pick up anyone they want so they are going to only take the absolute top of the field.

They don't tend to hire people so they can get improve while on the clock, they want people who are first rate sculptors at the time they are hired. Most of the CH sculpts are a long way from that level of sculpting, not bashing them but most of the people sculpting for 3rd party bits companies aren't currently at the level that GW & FW are looking for. Guys like Aragorn are at that skill level and no surprise he got recruited by GW.

Also the miniatures industry is still pretty small when it comes to the circle of sculpting and painting talent. If you are seriously good people will likely already know your work and a lot of the industry functions by word of mouth so while it's doubtful there's a blacklist it doesn't take much for people to hear if somebody has an over inflated ego or is difficult to work with etc.